Zone1 How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations

[AZrailwhale]

Condoms cost less than menthol cigarettes or wigs and false nails

Planned Parenthood will provide them for free.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually they did not. For a minimum of 30 years blacks were excluded from welfare. THE prograns of the new deal, FHA and G.I. Bill that created the white midde class and much of the current wealth of whites, excluded blacks.

Only in some places like the deep south. A lot of black veterans went to college and got homes under the GI Bill.

 

[noonereal]

Facts don't bother me. And you haven't posted any. The civil war and slavery is not all this is about and that is a FACT those like you keep trying to ignore.

Who is doing the ignoring for convenience?
And, I am still waiting for reparations from you for fighting on your behalf.

 

[noonereal]

Condoms cost less than menthol cigarettes or wigs and false nails

What a racist bitch you are.

 

[IM2]

Who is doing the ignoring for convenience?
And, I am still waiting for reparations from you for fighting on your behalf.

You are and whites didn't die to free anyone. Insread they implemented Black Codes and Jim Crow Apartheid.

 

[IM2]

What a racist bitch you are.

He's not really too much dfferent than you.

 

[MizMolly]

It seems that the concept of reparations is a problem. Apparently that is based on a lack of knowledge about history. Most just reflexively while not really knowing the iinformation that makes the case for reparations. So it appears that an education as to why reparations should be paid needs to happen and included is the information that can and will be used as part of the case.

The opposition to reparations being paid for something that happened 200 years ago is invalid, you will see why in a few seconds.

How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations​

The United States is again at a crossroads of racial reckoning. The death of George Floyd and the 2020 summer of protests for racial justice added new urgency to ongoing discussions about the legacy of slavery and its contemporary implications for the lives of Black Americans. A key question at the root of this discussion is: how do we repair the harm – economic, physical, and psychological — caused to Black lives by slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, police brutality, and other manifestations of systemic racism?
The United States has used reparations—targeted initiatives intended to concretely repair a harm against a person or persons resulting from the collective action of others—as a means of acknowledging and atoning for its role in other atrocities, including the internment of Japanese Americans and the forced removal and destruction of six indigenous communities: the Ottawas of Michigan, the Chippewas of Wisconsin, the Seminoles of Florida, the Sioux of South Dakota, the Klamaths of Oregon, and the Alaska Natives.* However, the descendants of Africans enslaved on U.S. soil have been notably absent from this history of reparative actions. While the task of reparations seems daunting to many Americans considering the scale of injustice presented by slavery and its aftermath, we believe this is a conversation the country needs to have.

Given that white Americans gained the most from slavery and its compounded effects — a process referred to as unjust enrichment – is their widespread opposition to reparations rooted in maintaining this advantage?

How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations | Brookings

Ashley V. Reichelmann and Matthew O. Hunt explore white Americans’ attitudes toward reparative policies and social factors affecting their views.

www.brookings.edu

1970: Richard Nixon signed into law House Resolution 471 restoring Blue Lake and surrounding area to the Taos Pueblo (New Mexico). The land had been taken by presidential order in 1906. (A History of the Indians in the United States by Angie Debo (Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press, 1984, p. 422); see also "Taos Pueblo celebrates 40th anniversary of Blue Lake's return" by Matthew van Buren, Santa Fe New Mexican, September 18, 2010.)

The payments from 1971-1988 are taken from the booklet Black Reparations Now! 40 Acres, $50 Dollars, and a Mule, + Interest by Dorothy Benton-Lewis; and borrowed from N’COBRA (National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America).

1971: Around $1 billion + 44 million acres of land: Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.

1974: A $10 million out-of-court settlement was reached between the U.S. government and Tuskegee victims, black men who had been unwitting subjects of a study of untreated syphilis, and who did not receive available treatments. (“The Tuskegee Timeline”, CDC, updated March 2, 2020.)

1980: $81 million: Klamaths of Oregon. ("Spending Spree" by Dylan Darling, Herald and News (Klamath Falls, OR), June 21, 2005.)

1980: $105 million: Sioux of South Dakota for seizure of their land. (United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, 448 U.S. 371 (1980).)

1985: $12.3 million: Seminoles of Florida. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1985: $31 million: Chippewas of Wisconsin. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1986: $32 million per 1836 Treaty: Ottawas of Michigan. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

2016: The U.S. government reached a settlement of $492 million with 17 Native American tribes to resolve lawsuits alleging the federal government mismanaged tribal land, resources, and money. (“U.S. Government To Pay $492 Million To 17 American Indian Tribes” by Rebecca Hersher, NPR, September 27, 2016.)

2018: The Supreme Court, in a 4-4 deadlock, let stand a lower court's order to the state of Washington to make billions of dollars worth of repairs to roads, where the state had built culverts below road channels and structures in a way that prevented salmon from swimming through and reaching their spawning grounds, that had damaged the state’s salmon habitats and contributed to population loss. The case involved the Stevens Treaties, a series of agreements in 1854-55, in which tribes in Washington State gave up millions of acres of land in exchange for "the right to take fish." Implicit in the treaties, courts would later rule, was a guarantee that there would be enough fish for the tribes to harvest. Destroying the habitat reduces the population and thus violates these treaties. This decision directly affects the Swinomish Tribe. ("A Victory For A Tribe That’s Lost Its Salmon" by John Eligon, The New York Times, June 12, 2018.)

Were any of you alive when those tribes were forcibly removed or cheated?

You were not subjected to anything which would be due reparations.

 

[MizMolly]

I don't think you guys understand the message you keep sending with your attitude. You guys are saying "yes we fucked you over and we're going to keep on doing it." Then you wonder why sporadically somebody black just kicks the shit out of a white person and says they did so because of slavery or just because they hate white people. This is the psychosis white racism causes in some white people.

We aren’t saying that because we didn’t fuck anyone over

 

[AZrailwhale]

You are and whites didn't die to free anyone. Insread they implemented Black Codes and Jim Crow Apartheid.

No that was the defeated Confederates as soon as the Union took it’s boot off their necks.

 

[Mac-7]

What a racist bitch you are.

The truth really hurts libs, doesent it?

How can you breathe with your head stuck so far under the sand?

 

[JoeB131]

The African slave trade began well over five hundred years before the Europeans stumbled upon the new world.

But it became something much, much worse afterwards. This is what you guys don't seem to get with your white fragility.

Taking money from one person and giving it (after the government takes a big cut) to another isn't an economic stimulus, it's a drag on the economy. You can't get it through your thick skull that the money the government gives away has to come from somewhere. We are suffering from inflation and supply shortages because the government gave away trillions of dollars during the Covid lockdowns.

No, we aren't.

We are suffering those things because TRUMP PLAGUE shut down the economy. We've made a miraculous recovery from such a devastating event.

 

[Lisa558]

You were not subjected to anything which would be due reparations.

If anything, he benefitted from special favoritism given blacks, beginning in the 1970s. And it’s peaking right now with the DIE initiatives.

 

[Lisa558]

The truth really hurts libs, doesent it?

How can you breathe with your head stuck so far under the sand?

He thinks the descendants of Robert Gould Shaw, who died leading the 54th Colored Regimen, should have to fork over money to blacks who got into med school due to their race and are now wealthy.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It seems that the concept of reparations is a problem. Apparently that is based on a lack of knowledge about history. Most just reflexively while not really knowing the iinformation that makes the case for reparations. So it appears that an education as to why reparations should be paid needs to happen and included is the information that can and will be used as part of the case.

The opposition to reparations being paid for something that happened 200 years ago is invalid, you will see why in a few seconds.

How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations​

The United States is again at a crossroads of racial reckoning. The death of George Floyd and the 2020 summer of protests for racial justice added new urgency to ongoing discussions about the legacy of slavery and its contemporary implications for the lives of Black Americans. A key question at the root of this discussion is: how do we repair the harm – economic, physical, and psychological — caused to Black lives by slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, police brutality, and other manifestations of systemic racism?
The United States has used reparations—targeted initiatives intended to concretely repair a harm against a person or persons resulting from the collective action of others—as a means of acknowledging and atoning for its role in other atrocities, including the internment of Japanese Americans and the forced removal and destruction of six indigenous communities: the Ottawas of Michigan, the Chippewas of Wisconsin, the Seminoles of Florida, the Sioux of South Dakota, the Klamaths of Oregon, and the Alaska Natives.* However, the descendants of Africans enslaved on U.S. soil have been notably absent from this history of reparative actions. While the task of reparations seems daunting to many Americans considering the scale of injustice presented by slavery and its aftermath, we believe this is a conversation the country needs to have.

Given that white Americans gained the most from slavery and its compounded effects — a process referred to as unjust enrichment – is their widespread opposition to reparations rooted in maintaining this advantage?

How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations | Brookings

Ashley V. Reichelmann and Matthew O. Hunt explore white Americans’ attitudes toward reparative policies and social factors affecting their views.

www.brookings.edu

1970: Richard Nixon signed into law House Resolution 471 restoring Blue Lake and surrounding area to the Taos Pueblo (New Mexico). The land had been taken by presidential order in 1906. (A History of the Indians in the United States by Angie Debo (Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press, 1984, p. 422); see also "Taos Pueblo celebrates 40th anniversary of Blue Lake's return" by Matthew van Buren, Santa Fe New Mexican, September 18, 2010.)

The payments from 1971-1988 are taken from the booklet Black Reparations Now! 40 Acres, $50 Dollars, and a Mule, + Interest by Dorothy Benton-Lewis; and borrowed from N’COBRA (National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America).

1971: Around $1 billion + 44 million acres of land: Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.

1974: A $10 million out-of-court settlement was reached between the U.S. government and Tuskegee victims, black men who had been unwitting subjects of a study of untreated syphilis, and who did not receive available treatments. (“The Tuskegee Timeline”, CDC, updated March 2, 2020.)

1980: $81 million: Klamaths of Oregon. ("Spending Spree" by Dylan Darling, Herald and News (Klamath Falls, OR), June 21, 2005.)

1980: $105 million: Sioux of South Dakota for seizure of their land. (United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, 448 U.S. 371 (1980).)

1985: $12.3 million: Seminoles of Florida. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1985: $31 million: Chippewas of Wisconsin. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1986: $32 million per 1836 Treaty: Ottawas of Michigan. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

2016: The U.S. government reached a settlement of $492 million with 17 Native American tribes to resolve lawsuits alleging the federal government mismanaged tribal land, resources, and money. (“U.S. Government To Pay $492 Million To 17 American Indian Tribes” by Rebecca Hersher, NPR, September 27, 2016.)

2018: The Supreme Court, in a 4-4 deadlock, let stand a lower court's order to the state of Washington to make billions of dollars worth of repairs to roads, where the state had built culverts below road channels and structures in a way that prevented salmon from swimming through and reaching their spawning grounds, that had damaged the state’s salmon habitats and contributed to population loss. The case involved the Stevens Treaties, a series of agreements in 1854-55, in which tribes in Washington State gave up millions of acres of land in exchange for "the right to take fish." Implicit in the treaties, courts would later rule, was a guarantee that there would be enough fish for the tribes to harvest. Destroying the habitat reduces the population and thus violates these treaties. This decision directly affects the Swinomish Tribe. ("A Victory For A Tribe That’s Lost Its Salmon" by John Eligon, The New York Times, June 12, 2018.)

Were any of you alive when those tribes were forcibly removed or cheated?

My attitude does not need repair.

I believe you should be recompensed FULLY for every single bale of cotton you ever picked while a slave, IM2.

 

[Lisa558]

My attitude does not need repair.

I believe you should be recompensed FULLY for every single bale of cotton you ever picked while a slave, IM2.

And I 2nd that.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

And I 2nd that.

Imagine what he could accomplish in the world if he ever redirected all that intense energy he applies towards being a shake down artist and applied it to something useful and productive, instead!

 

[Lisa558]

Imagine what he could accomplish in the world if he ever redirected all that intense energy he applies towards being a shake down artist and applied it to something useful and productive, instead!

I once made some suggestions. He could open a day care for the children of single mothers so they could get a job, and start moving up the ladder. He could start a tutoring service for high school students at risk of dropping out before graduation. He could even volunteer to guard the school playgrounds in case a fight-to-the-death broke out. (I assume he could overpower a fat 15-year-old girl, but who knows.)

Endless things he could do instead of demanding money from white people because he blames everything on them. Do you know he blames high blood pressure among blacks solely on racism - with no mention of diet, exercise, and a genetic component?

 

[Libby von H]

The only reason why blacks have more abortions is they don't have easy access to other forms of contraception.

Contraception is good. Family planning is the best poverty relief program out there.

That is of course false. Contraceptive use is LINKED to abortions. What is fail-safe 99 out of 100 times will give you a baby statistcially after 100.

 

[Lisa558]

The only reason why blacks have more abortions is they don't have easy access to other forms of contraception.

Contraception is good. Family planning is the best poverty relief program out there.

They can’t pick up condoms and spermicide at the drugstore? Cheap, and easily available.

 

[Lisa558]

So you have no idea how to access contraception?

JoeB131 said:
The only reason why blacks have more abortions is they don't have easy access to other forms of contraception.

No, he’s just thinks blacks are too stupid to buy condoms.