How Ukraine Annexed Crimea.

[esthermoon]

Anyway you're right Tehon history is always complicated but in this case the main point is that Crimea was part of Russia since 1783. That's why Crimeans feel Russians! (or at least the vast majority of them)

Don't forget that Ukraine itself was a part of Russia

I've heard it was the cradle of Russia

 

[Comrade Johnson]

I've heard it was the cradle of Russia

Not Ukriane, the place there . Anyway, Ukraine was a part of the Russian Empire. According to the Soviet laws there were 15 absolutely equal republics with the borders of their own. And Krimea was a part of the Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic. So all this talking about 'annection of Crimea' by Ukraine is absoulute nonsense. It was a part of Ukraine. If anybody doesn't like it, he/she can ask why Khruschev gave it to Ukraine.

 

[Camp]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

 

[esthermoon]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

I don't really know Camp
Maybe they were "russified"

 

[Comrade Johnson]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

Well, I think they were mostly so called Crimean Tatars. Some were exelled, some lived there. In the Soviet times Stalin sent all of them in Syberia. Then they were allowed to come back and some of them live there, I think,

 

[Comrade Johnson]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

I don't really know Camp
Maybe they were "russified"

Of course, they were russified, you had to speak Russian in the Soviet Union.

 

[Camp]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

I don't really know Camp
Maybe they were "russified"

Massive amounts of them were, starved to death and exterminated through violence. Hundreds of thousands of them were rounded up and sent to Siberia, never to return. Russians were settled on their farms, into their homes and given their businesses and jobs.

 

[Comrade Johnson]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

I don't really know Camp
Maybe they were "russified"

Massive amounts of them were, starved to death and exterminated through violence. Hundreds of thousands of them were rounded up and sent to Siberia, never to return. Russians were settled on their farms, into their homes and given their businesses and jobs.

I wouldn't use the word 'Russians' here. It was the regime of Stalin's ghouls and they killed Russians by hundreds of thoudands too.

 

[esthermoon]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

I don't really know Camp
Maybe they were "russified"

Massive amounts of them were, starved to death and exterminated through violence. Hundreds of thousands of them were rounded up and sent to Siberia, never to return. Russians were settled on their farms, into their homes and given their businesses and jobs.

I didn't know! Poor people!
Unfortunately violence is one of the "best" way we human beings use to talk each other

 

[Tehon]

From the point of view of the people who live on the Crimean Peninsula, Ukraine annexed Crimea in 1991, grossly violating the rules of international law.

Pure nonsense. There are no any international laws on it. The Crimea was given to Ukriane by Khruschev, the leader of the USSR. What was going on later is not determined by any laws.

Kruschev gave the Crimean oblast to Ukraine SSR. In '91 Crimea won independence from Ukraine as an Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. As such they should have been given a choice to stay within the Soviet Union at the time of Ukraines withdrawal.

 

[Camp]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

I don't really know Camp
Maybe they were "russified"

Massive amounts of them were, starved to death and exterminated through violence. Hundreds of thousands of them were rounded up and sent to Siberia, never to return. Russians were settled on their farms, into their homes and given their businesses and jobs.

I didn't know! Poor people!
Unfortunately violence is one of the "best" way we human beings use to talk each other

There are many histories about Crimea available online if you are interested. It is very complicated, but here is a link that seems to be unbiased and basic.

www.britannica.com/place/Crimea

Here is one that may be considered biased. It is an opinion piece and deals with what is going on today.

www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/opinion/russia-is-trying-to-wipe-out-crimeas-tatars.html

 

[esthermoon]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

I don't really know Camp
Maybe they were "russified"

Massive amounts of them were, starved to death and exterminated through violence. Hundreds of thousands of them were rounded up and sent to Siberia, never to return. Russians were settled on their farms, into their homes and given their businesses and jobs.

I didn't know! Poor people!
Unfortunately violence is one of the "best" way we human beings use to talk each other

There are many histories about Crimea available online if you are interested. It is very complicate, but here is a link that seems to be unbiased and basic.

www.britannica.com/places/Crimea

Here is one that may be considered biased. It is an opinion piece and deals with what is going on today.

www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/opinion/russia-is-trying-to-wipe-out-crimeas-tatars.html

Thanks for the links Camp!

 

[Camp]

What happened to all the non-Russian people that lived in Crimea before the Russians colonized it?

I don't really know Camp
Maybe they were "russified"

Massive amounts of them were, starved to death and exterminated through violence. Hundreds of thousands of them were rounded up and sent to Siberia, never to return. Russians were settled on their farms, into their homes and given their businesses and jobs.

I didn't know! Poor people!
Unfortunately violence is one of the "best" way we human beings use to talk each other

There are many histories about Crimea available online if you are interested. It is very complicate, but here is a link that seems to be unbiased and basic.

www.britannica.com/places/Crimea

Here is one that may be considered biased. It is an opinion piece and deals with what is going on today.

www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/opinion/russia-is-trying-to-wipe-out-crimeas-tatars.html

Thanks for the links Camp!

The first one, the one to Britannica did not work, but I fixed it and it works now.

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Kruschev gave the Crimean oblast to Ukraine SSR. In '91 Crimea won independence from Ukraine as an Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.

Please give me a link where something is said about it. Who won and what. And show me a Russian map of 90-s where Crimea is not a territory of Ukraine, I am afraid that it's just your fantasy.

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Actually, I can't say who is right and who is wrong in the crisis. But there's no doubt that the policy of the new Ukrainian government was quite stupid.

 

[esthermoon]

Actually, I can't say who is right and who is wrong in the crisis. But there's no doubt that the policy of the new Ukrainian government was quite stupid.

and self-destructive too. Because they're not doing what's good for the Ukrainian people

 

[Tehon]

Kruschev gave the Crimean oblast to Ukraine SSR. In '91 Crimea won independence from Ukraine as an Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.

Please give me a link where something is said about it. Who won and what. And show me a Russian map of 90-s where Crimea is not a territory of Ukraine, I am afraid that it's just your fantasy.

Про відновлення Кримської Автономної Радянської Соціалісти... | від 12.02.1991 № 712-XII

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Actually, I can't say who is right and who is wrong in the crisis. But there's no doubt that the policy of the new Ukrainian government was quite stupid.

and self-destructive too. Because they're not doing what's good for the Ukrainian people

Yes, sure, they are prize idiots. But don't think that our goverment is much better Well, Putin, maybe is wiser than others, but our goverment is pack of theives.

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Tehon, sorry, are you able to read, my friend? I am not good in Ukrainian but even I can read it:

Відновити Кримську Автономну Радянську
Соціалістичну Республіку в межах території Кримської області в
складі Української РСР.

as a part of the Ukrainian Republic.
So please, don't mislead our American friends

 

[Camp]

Actually, I can't say who is right and who is wrong in the crisis. But there's no doubt that the policy of the new Ukrainian government was quite stupid.

and self-destructive too. Because they're not doing what's good for the Ukrainian people

They overreacted. The Ukrainian people had no problem with electing ethnic Russians into the government. They elected an ethnic Russian as their leader. Yanukovych was the leader they ousted when he ended an agreement that promoted EU as the main trading partners and switched to an agreement to make Russia the main trading partner. This caused the population to flood into the capital in protest. Hundreds of thousand turned out and it lasted for months, eventually leading to Yanukovych's ouster. It also caused an environment of pro-Ukrainian nationalism and the pro-nationalist to gain power and influence, hence, the overreaction.