How to Win the Thanksgiving Day Political "Conversation"

[PaintMyHouse]

The way you defeat a liberal...use facts, the truth and reality...then they will call you names, tell you you want to have sex with your gun and throw their poo at you......

Funny, Tiny, you seem to like to ignore facts, or try to find alternative explanations for them.

How many Second Amendment Enthusiasts are oging to shoot family members during pointless arguments at thanksgiving, just like the Founding Fathers wanted.

Normal gun owners don't shoot people....the people who shoot other people have long histories of violence and criminal activity.....you can't seem to understand the difference...

Was the guy who shot the car jacking victim "normal"? How about the two women shooting at thieves, who didn't rob them?

Or the cops that lit up the two Hispanic ladies in a white pickup truck while looking for Christopher Dorner, a black man in a blue pickup truck?

Yes....8,124 gun murders.....320 million guns in private hands....that means 319,991,876 million guns were not used to murder anyone....

And 320 million people in the United States, and only 8,124 gun murders, the actual majority of which are committed by violent career criminals who shoot other career criminals.........

And of course 13 million people carry guns for self defense and you point to the 2 cases that prove my point, not yours.....

1.6 billion Muslims, only a small percentage of them are terrorists. No worries eh...

 

[TheOldSchool]

I'll just try to ignore my conservative family members hatred and racism today. It's just one day out of the year after all. No point ruining it trying to reason with them. I'll just eat up and hang out with the good cousins instead.

Funny....conservatives aren't the ones obsessed with race...the left wing is...they can't talk about anything without bringing race into it.....sort of like what you just did.....

And hate.....yes....all those left wing groups wrecking the cities.....no hate there.....

Okay today when you're bashing Mexicans, black people, refugees, and Muslims make sure you do it in a caring, reasonable way

 

[TheOldSchool]

Food fights, dousing people with water and kicking them out by the side of the road is considered "civil"?

Conservatives seem to have trouble with what words actually mean.

Dude, the OP is obviously being facetious. You libs think you have the right to spew your shrill nonsense and no one is permitted to rebut. Well, that doesn't wash anymore.

Are you the crazy uncle who rants about n*ggers and Mexicans in your family? You'll probably still be shouted down this year.

 

[thereisnospoon]

My 90lb, 20 year old 6 months pregnant niece was sitting at Christmas dinner last year. We were listening to one of her male cousins, about thirty, 250 lbs, no fucking job, blathering drunk on someone else's booze claim what a great- great job Obama was doing and how the REPs "hated" women and everyone else in the country. This had been going on for most of the diner.
My sweet little REP niece finally asked him to "give it a break". Other people wanted to talk about other things please.
What was the predictable fucking LIB pigs reaction? He told her to "fuck off". Susie quietly got out of her chair. Walked over to his side of the table and 'cold cocked' the asshole with one punch. He was still semiconscious twenty minutes later when the ambulance took him away. It seems she broke his jaw. I saw him a couple of months ago. He now speaks like he's got a mouth full of cotton balls.
Everyone was stunned at first. I lead the applauds.

Yep....An ill timed "fuck off" especially from some useless liberal slacker imbibing on someone else's dime can at times illicit a surprising response.

 

[2aguy]

Food fights, dousing people with water and kicking them out by the side of the road is considered "civil"?

Conservatives seem to have trouble with what words actually mean.

Dude, the OP is obviously being facetious. You libs think you have the right to spew your shrill nonsense and no one is permitted to rebut. Well, that doesn't wash anymore.

Yes.....back in the day when they had 3 democrat news anchors on the only 3 news programs and there was no internet, and all information was hard to access, and they relied on conservatives to be polite and not "stir things up" by actually engaging them....

Those f*****g days are over......you left wing nuts will be challenged everywhere you spew your nonsense......

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It's Thanksgiving, keep the political BS away from the gatherings and be thankful fro what you have

 

[2aguy]

Food fights, dousing people with water and kicking them out by the side of the road is considered "civil"?

Conservatives seem to have trouble with what words actually mean.

Dude, the OP is obviously being facetious. You libs think you have the right to spew your shrill nonsense and no one is permitted to rebut. Well, that doesn't wash anymore.

Are you the crazy uncle who rants about n*ggers and Mexicans in your family? You'll probably still be shouted down this year.

funny......it is always you leftwing nuts who use that word freely......of course, the democrat party has been and still is the party of openly proud racists.....so you are right at home with them...

 

[BULLDOG]

Funny, Tiny, you seem to like to ignore facts, or try to find alternative explanations for them.

How many Second Amendment Enthusiasts are oging to shoot family members during pointless arguments at thanksgiving, just like the Founding Fathers wanted.

Normal gun owners don't shoot people....the people who shoot other people have long histories of violence and criminal activity.....you can't seem to understand the difference...

You could be right. If there were just some way to weed out those with histories of violence and criminal activity when they try to buy a gun. Of course it wouldn't be 100% effective, but it would stop a lot of them.

Of course there is no such thing...background checks don't work....the actual criminals simply get someone with a clean record to buy the gun or they steal it......

so...the best way...arrest people when they commit a crime with a gun.....100% accurate and works everytime it is tried......

And no one likes my idea about putting a tattoo on the shoulder of felons so we know immediately if they can or can't own a gun...that too would work....of course the straw purchase and stealing guns would allow them to get guns......but a tattoo on the shoulder would allow normal gun owners to buy guns without waiting periods or background checks...

And background checks would do the same thing.

You say that as if it is the truth......but you never explain how that works......since we have seen in France...a country that does not allow anyone to own fully automatic rifles, or explosives...hence they don't need background checks....and the fact that the terrorists were on governemnt watch lists...

And they still got fully automatic rifles and explosives...so much for background checks keeping criminals and terrorists from getting guns.....in a country with extreme gun control laws......

And of course since I have already stated the fact, that criminals get people with clean records to go through the background check, buy the gun and then give it or sell it to the criminal, or the criminal steals the gun...in both cases the background check did nothing to stop the criminal from getting the gun......

And for mass shooters.....almost all of them passed at least one and many passed multiple background checks to get their guns...and the ones who didn't...stole their guns or bought them illegally, again, making background checks pointless and stupid....

So....keep chanting your mantra...."background checks," because that is all it is...a mindless, droning sound that has no meaning....

I'll bet you encourage young people to not use condoms because they are not 100% effective.

 

[2aguy]

Normal gun owners don't shoot people....the people who shoot other people have long histories of violence and criminal activity.....you can't seem to understand the difference...

the no True Scotsman Fallacy.

A gun owner is a responsible gun owner until he isn't.

no....violent people shoot other people...normal people own guns and use them for sport, hunting and self defense...democrats use them for crime and mass murder...

Most murder victims in big cities have criminal record

A review of murder statistics across America shows that in many large cities, up to 90 percent of the victims have criminal records.
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The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”
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In early 2012, after pressure put on the police by murder victims’ families in New Orleans, the police department stopped revealing whether or not the murder victim had a prior record.

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Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.

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A WND review of the Philadelphia Police Department Murder and Shooting Analysis for 2011 shows a similar pattern to that of other large cities in America – a majority of the murder victims have prior records.



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In Philadelphia in 2011, of 324 murders, 81 percent (263) of the victims had at least one prior arrest; 62 percent (164) had been arrested for a violent crime prior to their murder.

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In Newark, N.J., long considered one of America’s most dangerous cities, 85 percent of the 165 murder victims between 2009 and 2010 had serious arrest histories.

Anthony Braga, a professor with the Rutgers-Newark School of Criminal Justice, told the Newark Star-Ledger that 85 percent of 165 murder victims in Newark between 2009 and 2010 had been arrested at least once before they were killed.

Those victims, he said, had, on average, 10 prior arrests on their criminal records.

A WND review of the Chicago Police Department Murder Analysis reports from 2003 to 2011 provides a statistical breakdown of the demographics of both the victims and offenders in the 4,265 murders in Chicago over that time period.

Of the victims of murder in Chicago from 2003 to 2011, an average of 77 percent had a prior arrest history, with a high of 79 percent of the 436 murdered in Chicago in 2010 having arrest histories.



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Public Health Pot Shots

this article goes at kellerman extensively and his crap research.....and here is some work on who actually kills people...


These and other studies funded by the CDC focus on the presence or absence of guns, rather than the characteristics of the people who use them. Indeed, the CDC's Rosenberg claims in the journalEducational Horizons that murderers are "ourselves--ordinary citizens, professionals, even health care workers": people who kill only because a gun happens to be available. Yet if there is one fact that has been incontestably established by homicide studies, it's that murderers are not ordinary gun owners but extreme aberrants whose life histories include drug abuse, serious accidents, felonies, and irrational violence.



Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.

Access to juvenile records would almost certainly show that the criminal careers of murderers stretch back into their adolescence. In Murder in America (1994), the criminologists Ronald W. Holmes and Stephen T. Holmes report that murderers generally "have histories of committing personal violence in childhood, against other children, siblings, and small animals." Murderers who don't have criminal records usually have histories of psychiatric treatment or domestic violence that did not lead to arrest.

Contrary to the impression fostered by Rosenberg and other opponents of gun ownership, the term "acquaintance homicide" does not mean killings that stem from ordinary family or neighborhood arguments. Typical acquaintance homicides include: an abusive man eventually killing a woman he has repeatedly assaulted; a drug user killing a dealer (or vice versa) in a robbery attempt; and gang members, drug dealers, and other criminals killing each other for reasons of economic rivalry or personal pique.



According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history."

A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicinereported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs." And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.



Gangs in Fort Meyers Florida...



NBC2 Investigates: Gangs in Southwest Florida



The City of Fort Myers has been plagued with violence and murder. NBC2 Investigator Dave Elias dug deeper and found that drugs, crime and gangs are the common elements between those killings.

Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott says the three go hand-in-hand and all appear to be playing a big role in the city's crime problem.

"They're punks. They're criminals. And in most cases – cowards," said Sheriff Scott.

He also explained that gang members live by a much different set of rules.

"We're at a more violent time right now than at any time I recall," said Sheriff Scott. "You're talking about an area that - per capita - is on par with Detroit Michigan, in terms of homicides."

There were 25 murders in Fort Myers alone last year. And Sheriff Scott says all of the killings have those three things in common – drugs, crime and gangs.

"In most every case this is criminal killing criminal. This is bad guy on bad guy," he said.



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The Kate and Mauser study.......



http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS
One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40
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III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?

The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and


areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53

Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58

These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60

Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a

stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62
Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64
These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65
“The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69
A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed
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US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 100 deaths by criminals.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 13 million.

 

[2aguy]

Normal gun owners don't shoot people....the people who shoot other people have long histories of violence and criminal activity.....you can't seem to understand the difference...

You could be right. If there were just some way to weed out those with histories of violence and criminal activity when they try to buy a gun. Of course it wouldn't be 100% effective, but it would stop a lot of them.

Of course there is no such thing...background checks don't work....the actual criminals simply get someone with a clean record to buy the gun or they steal it......

so...the best way...arrest people when they commit a crime with a gun.....100% accurate and works everytime it is tried......

And no one likes my idea about putting a tattoo on the shoulder of felons so we know immediately if they can or can't own a gun...that too would work....of course the straw purchase and stealing guns would allow them to get guns......but a tattoo on the shoulder would allow normal gun owners to buy guns without waiting periods or background checks...

And background checks would do the same thing.

You say that as if it is the truth......but you never explain how that works......since we have seen in France...a country that does not allow anyone to own fully automatic rifles, or explosives...hence they don't need background checks....and the fact that the terrorists were on governemnt watch lists...

And they still got fully automatic rifles and explosives...so much for background checks keeping criminals and terrorists from getting guns.....in a country with extreme gun control laws......

And of course since I have already stated the fact, that criminals get people with clean records to go through the background check, buy the gun and then give it or sell it to the criminal, or the criminal steals the gun...in both cases the background check did nothing to stop the criminal from getting the gun......

And for mass shooters.....almost all of them passed at least one and many passed multiple background checks to get their guns...and the ones who didn't...stole their guns or bought them illegally, again, making background checks pointless and stupid....

So....keep chanting your mantra...."background checks," because that is all it is...a mindless, droning sound that has no meaning....

I'll bet you encourage young people to not use condoms because they are not 100% effective.

They actually stop some pregnancies....background checks don't stop any criminals from getting guns....see the difference?

 

[2aguy]

No fights at my table. Not a Democrat among us.

Wow...a real Thanksgiving Miracle....I have one aunt......the rest of us are sane....

 

[BULLDOG]

Once again, the militant liberals are rolling out the tactical assault for Thanksgiving Day with the family. They are instructing their warriors to take advantage of this opportunity of family gathering to promote the liberal agenda and bash conservatism. Complete with a list of tips and suggestions, they will undoubtedly be armed and ready for battle when you arrive for the annual feast.

Many conservatives are passive on this, preferring to keep their opinions to themselves and not be confrontational. It's sometimes easier to just bite your tongue and let your liberal relative get it out of their system so everyone can get back to watching football and planning Black Friday shopping sprees. Of course, the militant liberals are counting on this complacent behavior in hopes of making some headway pushing their agenda.

I have come up with a plan and I encourage all my fellow conservatives to help me spread the word. When you find yourself sitting at the table trying to enjoy the feast and your flaming liberal cousin starts ranting... quietly take your spoon and scoop up a nice clump of mashed potatoes and catapult them into their face without saying a word. If you've already eaten and you're sitting in the den when the "conversation" begins, quietly get up, go to the kitchen and get a glass of ice water. Approach the offending cousin casually and dump the water on their head as they are reeling off talking points. Finally, if you are already in the car travelling to the Black Friday sales and they start their rant... pull over, go around to their side, open the door and snatch them out by the hair of the head and leave them sitting on the side of the road.

No need for confrontation, no need to engage in pointless debate, no need to let them mess up a beautiful moment with your family. We do not have to tolerate this. I have found that, as juvenile as it sounds, a nice clump of mashed potatoes to the face is unexpected. They don't know how to deal with it. If they continue to rant, pummel them with dinner rolls until they shut the fuck up.

If we conservatives all stick together with this plan we can return civility to family holidays.

I have a couple of super libs on the wife's side of the family.
Sister in law and her daughter.
The daughter is a left wing loon of near Biblical proportions.
Last year at Thanksgiving I made her cry because she expected to be able to control the conversation. She was going on and on about the poor. I countered with the argument that while those who needed our assistance should get it, but those gaming the system should be kicked off the system. She would have none of it.
Once she started blubbering, her stupid boyfriend ( with which she has a child out of wedlock and the bum doesn't work except he claims to be on "security" at a "club"...)
Wanted to act like he was going to stick up for her. I told him he didn't like facts he was in the wrong place.
BTW, I was not the one that initiated the conversation.
Family or not, I don't take shit from anybody.

You should be proud.You made a young girl cry at Thanksgiving. Any crazy right winger would be proud of that..

 

[2aguy]

Once again, the militant liberals are rolling out the tactical assault for Thanksgiving Day with the family. They are instructing their warriors to take advantage of this opportunity of family gathering to promote the liberal agenda and bash conservatism. Complete with a list of tips and suggestions, they will undoubtedly be armed and ready for battle when you arrive for the annual feast.

Many conservatives are passive on this, preferring to keep their opinions to themselves and not be confrontational. It's sometimes easier to just bite your tongue and let your liberal relative get it out of their system so everyone can get back to watching football and planning Black Friday shopping sprees. Of course, the militant liberals are counting on this complacent behavior in hopes of making some headway pushing their agenda.

I have come up with a plan and I encourage all my fellow conservatives to help me spread the word. When you find yourself sitting at the table trying to enjoy the feast and your flaming liberal cousin starts ranting... quietly take your spoon and scoop up a nice clump of mashed potatoes and catapult them into their face without saying a word. If you've already eaten and you're sitting in the den when the "conversation" begins, quietly get up, go to the kitchen and get a glass of ice water. Approach the offending cousin casually and dump the water on their head as they are reeling off talking points. Finally, if you are already in the car travelling to the Black Friday sales and they start their rant... pull over, go around to their side, open the door and snatch them out by the hair of the head and leave them sitting on the side of the road.

No need for confrontation, no need to engage in pointless debate, no need to let them mess up a beautiful moment with your family. We do not have to tolerate this. I have found that, as juvenile as it sounds, a nice clump of mashed potatoes to the face is unexpected. They don't know how to deal with it. If they continue to rant, pummel them with dinner rolls until they shut the fuck up.

If we conservatives all stick together with this plan we can return civility to family holidays.

I have a couple of super libs on the wife's side of the family.
Sister in law and her daughter.
The daughter is a left wing loon of near Biblical proportions.
Last year at Thanksgiving I made her cry because she expected to be able to control the conversation. She was going on and on about the poor. I countered with the argument that while those who needed our assistance should get it, but those gaming the system should be kicked off the system. She would have none of it.
Once she started blubbering, her stupid boyfriend ( with which she has a child out of wedlock and the bum doesn't work except he claims to be on "security" at a "club"...)
Wanted to act like he was going to stick up for her. I told him he didn't like facts he was in the wrong place.
BTW, I was not the one that initiated the conversation.
Family or not, I don't take shit from anybody.

You should be proud.You made a young girl cry at Thanksgiving. Any crazy right winger would be proud of that..

Yes.....the typical lefty response...I can't win the discussion with facts, reason, the truth, or reality...so I will start to cry to make the conservative who actually was measured and reasonable look mean..........

 

[thereisnospoon]

Food fights, dousing people with water and kicking them out by the side of the road is considered "civil"?

Conservatives seem to have trouble with what words actually mean.

Dude, the OP is obviously being facetious. You libs think you have the right to spew your shrill nonsense and no one is permitted to rebut. Well, that doesn't wash anymore.

Are you the crazy uncle who rants about n*ggers and Mexicans in your family? You'll probably still be shouted down this year.

You've already lost the argument. And appetizers haven't even been served yet.
Tell me, oh great one, what in Sam Hill compelled you to make such an assumption?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Once again, the militant liberals are rolling out the tactical assault for Thanksgiving Day with the family. They are instructing their warriors to take advantage of this opportunity of family gathering to promote the liberal agenda and bash conservatism. Complete with a list of tips and suggestions, they will undoubtedly be armed and ready for battle when you arrive for the annual feast.

Many conservatives are passive on this, preferring to keep their opinions to themselves and not be confrontational. It's sometimes easier to just bite your tongue and let your liberal relative get it out of their system so everyone can get back to watching football and planning Black Friday shopping sprees. Of course, the militant liberals are counting on this complacent behavior in hopes of making some headway pushing their agenda.

I have come up with a plan and I encourage all my fellow conservatives to help me spread the word. When you find yourself sitting at the table trying to enjoy the feast and your flaming liberal cousin starts ranting... quietly take your spoon and scoop up a nice clump of mashed potatoes and catapult them into their face without saying a word. If you've already eaten and you're sitting in the den when the "conversation" begins, quietly get up, go to the kitchen and get a glass of ice water. Approach the offending cousin casually and dump the water on their head as they are reeling off talking points. Finally, if you are already in the car travelling to the Black Friday sales and they start their rant... pull over, go around to their side, open the door and snatch them out by the hair of the head and leave them sitting on the side of the road.

No need for confrontation, no need to engage in pointless debate, no need to let them mess up a beautiful moment with your family. We do not have to tolerate this. I have found that, as juvenile as it sounds, a nice clump of mashed potatoes to the face is unexpected. They don't know how to deal with it. If they continue to rant, pummel them with dinner rolls until they shut the fuck up.

If we conservatives all stick together with this plan we can return civility to family holidays.

I have a couple of super libs on the wife's side of the family.
Sister in law and her daughter.
The daughter is a left wing loon of near Biblical proportions.
Last year at Thanksgiving I made her cry because she expected to be able to control the conversation. She was going on and on about the poor. I countered with the argument that while those who needed our assistance should get it, but those gaming the system should be kicked off the system. She would have none of it.
Once she started blubbering, her stupid boyfriend ( with which she has a child out of wedlock and the bum doesn't work except he claims to be on "security" at a "club"...)
Wanted to act like he was going to stick up for her. I told him he didn't like facts he was in the wrong place.
BTW, I was not the one that initiated the conversation.
Family or not, I don't take shit from anybody.

You should be proud.You made a young girl cry at Thanksgiving. Any crazy right winger would be proud of that..

She is a grown woman of 31 years. She decided she could go into the ring. She decided to flail away with talking points. I simply held my ground. She got pissed off and lost it. Not my problem.
What? I'm supposed to back off my principles why another person gets to shout like a banshee expecting everyone else to just shut up?....
I ended the conversation. THAT is when she became angry and decided to throw herself a pity party figuring the water works would gain sympathy.
Here's a tissue for your issue.

 

[BULLDOG]

Once again, the militant liberals are rolling out the tactical assault for Thanksgiving Day with the family. They are instructing their warriors to take advantage of this opportunity of family gathering to promote the liberal agenda and bash conservatism. Complete with a list of tips and suggestions, they will undoubtedly be armed and ready for battle when you arrive for the annual feast.

Many conservatives are passive on this, preferring to keep their opinions to themselves and not be confrontational. It's sometimes easier to just bite your tongue and let your liberal relative get it out of their system so everyone can get back to watching football and planning Black Friday shopping sprees. Of course, the militant liberals are counting on this complacent behavior in hopes of making some headway pushing their agenda.

I have come up with a plan and I encourage all my fellow conservatives to help me spread the word. When you find yourself sitting at the table trying to enjoy the feast and your flaming liberal cousin starts ranting... quietly take your spoon and scoop up a nice clump of mashed potatoes and catapult them into their face without saying a word. If you've already eaten and you're sitting in the den when the "conversation" begins, quietly get up, go to the kitchen and get a glass of ice water. Approach the offending cousin casually and dump the water on their head as they are reeling off talking points. Finally, if you are already in the car travelling to the Black Friday sales and they start their rant... pull over, go around to their side, open the door and snatch them out by the hair of the head and leave them sitting on the side of the road.

No need for confrontation, no need to engage in pointless debate, no need to let them mess up a beautiful moment with your family. We do not have to tolerate this. I have found that, as juvenile as it sounds, a nice clump of mashed potatoes to the face is unexpected. They don't know how to deal with it. If they continue to rant, pummel them with dinner rolls until they shut the fuck up.

If we conservatives all stick together with this plan we can return civility to family holidays.

I have a couple of super libs on the wife's side of the family.
Sister in law and her daughter.
The daughter is a left wing loon of near Biblical proportions.
Last year at Thanksgiving I made her cry because she expected to be able to control the conversation. She was going on and on about the poor. I countered with the argument that while those who needed our assistance should get it, but those gaming the system should be kicked off the system. She would have none of it.
Once she started blubbering, her stupid boyfriend ( with which she has a child out of wedlock and the bum doesn't work except he claims to be on "security" at a "club"...)
Wanted to act like he was going to stick up for her. I told him he didn't like facts he was in the wrong place.
BTW, I was not the one that initiated the conversation.
Family or not, I don't take shit from anybody.

You should be proud.You made a young girl cry at Thanksgiving. Any crazy right winger would be proud of that..

Yes.....the typical lefty response...I can't win the discussion with facts, reason, the truth, or reality...so I will start to cry to make the conservative who actually was measured and reasonable look mean..........

Like I said. I'm sure you are proud of making a young girl cry. It's a shame that it takes something like that to feed your ego.You must not have much else to do that.

 

[BULLDOG]

Once again, the militant liberals are rolling out the tactical assault for Thanksgiving Day with the family. They are instructing their warriors to take advantage of this opportunity of family gathering to promote the liberal agenda and bash conservatism. Complete with a list of tips and suggestions, they will undoubtedly be armed and ready for battle when you arrive for the annual feast.

Many conservatives are passive on this, preferring to keep their opinions to themselves and not be confrontational. It's sometimes easier to just bite your tongue and let your liberal relative get it out of their system so everyone can get back to watching football and planning Black Friday shopping sprees. Of course, the militant liberals are counting on this complacent behavior in hopes of making some headway pushing their agenda.

I have come up with a plan and I encourage all my fellow conservatives to help me spread the word. When you find yourself sitting at the table trying to enjoy the feast and your flaming liberal cousin starts ranting... quietly take your spoon and scoop up a nice clump of mashed potatoes and catapult them into their face without saying a word. If you've already eaten and you're sitting in the den when the "conversation" begins, quietly get up, go to the kitchen and get a glass of ice water. Approach the offending cousin casually and dump the water on their head as they are reeling off talking points. Finally, if you are already in the car travelling to the Black Friday sales and they start their rant... pull over, go around to their side, open the door and snatch them out by the hair of the head and leave them sitting on the side of the road.

No need for confrontation, no need to engage in pointless debate, no need to let them mess up a beautiful moment with your family. We do not have to tolerate this. I have found that, as juvenile as it sounds, a nice clump of mashed potatoes to the face is unexpected. They don't know how to deal with it. If they continue to rant, pummel them with dinner rolls until they shut the fuck up.

If we conservatives all stick together with this plan we can return civility to family holidays.

I have a couple of super libs on the wife's side of the family.
Sister in law and her daughter.
The daughter is a left wing loon of near Biblical proportions.
Last year at Thanksgiving I made her cry because she expected to be able to control the conversation. She was going on and on about the poor. I countered with the argument that while those who needed our assistance should get it, but those gaming the system should be kicked off the system. She would have none of it.
Once she started blubbering, her stupid boyfriend ( with which she has a child out of wedlock and the bum doesn't work except he claims to be on "security" at a "club"...)
Wanted to act like he was going to stick up for her. I told him he didn't like facts he was in the wrong place.
BTW, I was not the one that initiated the conversation.
Family or not, I don't take shit from anybody.

You should be proud.You made a young girl cry at Thanksgiving. Any crazy right winger would be proud of that..

She is a grown woman of 31 years. She decided she could go into the ring. She decided to flail away with talking points. I simply held my ground. She got pissed off and lost it. Not my problem.
What? I'm supposed to back off my principles why another person gets to shout like a banshee expecting everyone else to just shut up?....
I ended the conversation. THAT is when she became angry and decided to throw herself a pity party figuring the water works would gain sympathy.
Here's a tissue for your issue.

Good for you. Do you kick puppies to make yourself feel powerful too?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I'll just try to ignore my conservative family members hatred and racism today. It's just one day out of the year after all. No point ruining it trying to reason with them. I'll just eat up and hang out with the good cousins instead.

Typical lib....Conservatism = hatred......You don't win with that anymore.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'll just try to ignore my conservative family members hatred and racism today. It's just one day out of the year after all. No point ruining it trying to reason with them. I'll just eat up and hang out with the good cousins instead.

Typical lib....Conservatism = hatred......You don't win with that anymore.

I'm not sure I have agreed with anything else you ever wrote, but I can't argue with your math.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Once again, the militant liberals are rolling out the tactical assault for Thanksgiving Day with the family. They are instructing their warriors to take advantage of this opportunity of family gathering to promote the liberal agenda and bash conservatism. Complete with a list of tips and suggestions, they will undoubtedly be armed and ready for battle when you arrive for the annual feast.

Many conservatives are passive on this, preferring to keep their opinions to themselves and not be confrontational. It's sometimes easier to just bite your tongue and let your liberal relative get it out of their system so everyone can get back to watching football and planning Black Friday shopping sprees. Of course, the militant liberals are counting on this complacent behavior in hopes of making some headway pushing their agenda.

I have come up with a plan and I encourage all my fellow conservatives to help me spread the word. When you find yourself sitting at the table trying to enjoy the feast and your flaming liberal cousin starts ranting... quietly take your spoon and scoop up a nice clump of mashed potatoes and catapult them into their face without saying a word. If you've already eaten and you're sitting in the den when the "conversation" begins, quietly get up, go to the kitchen and get a glass of ice water. Approach the offending cousin casually and dump the water on their head as they are reeling off talking points. Finally, if you are already in the car travelling to the Black Friday sales and they start their rant... pull over, go around to their side, open the door and snatch them out by the hair of the head and leave them sitting on the side of the road.

No need for confrontation, no need to engage in pointless debate, no need to let them mess up a beautiful moment with your family. We do not have to tolerate this. I have found that, as juvenile as it sounds, a nice clump of mashed potatoes to the face is unexpected. They don't know how to deal with it. If they continue to rant, pummel them with dinner rolls until they shut the fuck up.

If we conservatives all stick together with this plan we can return civility to family holidays.

I have a couple of super libs on the wife's side of the family.
Sister in law and her daughter.
The daughter is a left wing loon of near Biblical proportions.
Last year at Thanksgiving I made her cry because she expected to be able to control the conversation. She was going on and on about the poor. I countered with the argument that while those who needed our assistance should get it, but those gaming the system should be kicked off the system. She would have none of it.
Once she started blubbering, her stupid boyfriend ( with which she has a child out of wedlock and the bum doesn't work except he claims to be on "security" at a "club"...)
Wanted to act like he was going to stick up for her. I told him he didn't like facts he was in the wrong place.
BTW, I was not the one that initiated the conversation.
Family or not, I don't take shit from anybody.

You should be proud.You made a young girl cry at Thanksgiving. Any crazy right winger would be proud of that..

She is a grown woman of 31 years. She decided she could go into the ring. She decided to flail away with talking points. I simply held my ground. She got pissed off and lost it. Not my problem.
What? I'm supposed to back off my principles why another person gets to shout like a banshee expecting everyone else to just shut up?....
I ended the conversation. THAT is when she became angry and decided to throw herself a pity party figuring the water works would gain sympathy.
Here's a tissue for your issue.

Good for you. Do you kick puppies to make yourself feel powerful too?

That nonsense doesn't assist your argument either.
try again.