How To Wean the Dependent Off Welfare

LogikAndReazon

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Can the millions of Americans now accustomed to food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches be weaned from this dependency? In principle the answer is “yes” and the cost would be minimal; in practice the answer is “no” given that the solution is anathema to America’s burgeoning therapeutic state.

Let’s begin by disposing of the usual solutions to combat dependency. Forget about cold turkey, no matter how slow the withdrawal period. A 10% reduction in food stamps per month would only invite mayhem.

What about a robust economy to cure dependency? After all, nobody could possibly resist a fresh supply of well-paid jobs. The opposite is more likely: Prosperity boosts tax revenue, and this means more money to buy votes with handouts. With the Democrats in power, prosperity will promote the addiction, not cure it.

Avoidance of dependency, even for those in dire straits, historically rested on personal aversion to being a freeloader. It was the fear of dishonor, humiliation, embarrassment, shame, and disgrace for taking handouts that deterred future dependency. Any job, no matter how menial, was better than the ignominy of publicly lining up for one’s allotment of government-supplied free cheese.

These feelings are probably still part of human nature and hopefully can be reawakened. It would not take much. Food-stamp recipients, for example, could be required to use clearly identified supermarket checkout lines so contemptuous full-pay customers can stare at them. Even better, return to the days when food stamps resembled colorful oversized 10,000-lira notes so everybody saw them, not today’s EBT card indistinguishable from a bank-issued credit or debit card.

But restoring humiliation as the price for government handouts will be difficult. In today’s world everybody except hatemongers must be shielded from any ego damage. Reversing vassalage requires making people feel bad psychologically—demeaned, stigmatized, and humiliated—and the One Commandment of today’s deeply perverse moral cosmology is Thou Shalt Not Deflate Thy Neighbor’s Ego.

In the past, independence rather than servility was prized. Occasional handouts were necessary but viewed as emergency measures to be quickly ended lest the habit of helplessness take root. Aid was to be given but made as distasteful as possible (e.g., recipients would split logs at the town’s woodpile). The medical parallel would be paregoric, an opium-based stomach medicine purposely formulated to be foul-tasting so as to prevent addiction.

By contrast, today’s welfare philosophy might be described as making the recipient as comfortable as possible while government fixes the lingering recession, terrible schools, racism and discrimination, structural economic shifts, and whatever else can be used to explain why youngsters must be fed by Uncle Sam rather than their parents. Mom’s inability to make lunch is not her fault, so why should junior suffer?

Removing the stigma from being on the dole parallels the trend toward normalizing other once condemned behaviors: homosexuality, out-of-wedlock childbirth, guilt-free promiscuity (the “hook-up” culture), piling on debt that cannot be repaid, and stigma-free personal bankruptcy.

In the name of making people feel normal about what was once deplorable servility, the United States is not only sinking deeper into national debt but also banishing a key building block of civil society. Perhaps it is time to bring back some scarlet letters.



How to Wean the Dependent - Taki's Magazine
 
"Shame" and "intolerance" used to be considered antidotes to bad behavior; now they are decried as impediments to free expression. Unfortunately, control of our language has been co opted by Left Wing Journalism in our country. As a result, we have eliminated many of the values which kept our society functioning. Combined with a government bureaucracy which operates for its own convenience (e.g., direct deposit welfare checks and food stamp debit cards) rather than for the larger benefit of the citizenry, we now actively encourage dependence while at the same time demeaning hard work, achievement and initiative.

I believe that every able-bodied welfare recipient should be required to show up at 8 am at the welfare office and be given a broom or some other work assignment. This would initially incur greater administrative expense, but it would lessen the gap between passive inactivity and productive activity which has infected generations of welfare recipients.
 
The people who need to be weaned off the lifestyle are the well-heeled upper middle class bureaucrats who profit by perpetuating the system and even advertizing to get more people signed onto welfare programs.....Those people are the real parasites.
 
"Shame" and "intolerance" used to be considered antidotes to bad behavior; now they are decried as impediments to free expression. Unfortunately, control of our language has been co opted by Left Wing Journalism in our country. As a result, we have eliminated many of the values which kept our society functioning. Combined with a government bureaucracy which operates for its own convenience (e.g., direct deposit welfare checks and food stamp debit cards) rather than for the larger benefit of the citizenry, we now actively encourage dependence while at the same time demeaning hard work, achievement and initiative.

I believe that every able-bodied welfare recipient should be required to show up at 8 am at the welfare office and be given a broom or some other work assignment. This would initially incur greater administrative expense, but it would lessen the gap between passive inactivity and productive activity which has infected generations of welfare recipients.

Sounds like the intent and argument presented by FDR, for it would inspire those to seek a better life and opportunity while at the same time providing minimal assistance. But get real, it would lead to the collapse of the fairness and liberal mind set which amounts to political suicide for the political beneficiaries that promote the status quo.
 
The people who need to be weaned off the lifestyle are the well-heeled upper middle class bureaucrats who profit by perpetuating the system and even advertizing to get more people signed onto welfare programs.....Those people are the real parasites.

The system growing the system.
 
"Shame" and "intolerance" used to be considered antidotes to bad behavior; now they are decried as impediments to free expression. Unfortunately, control of our language has been co opted by Left Wing Journalism in our country. As a result, we have eliminated many of the values which kept our society functioning. Combined with a government bureaucracy which operates for its own convenience (e.g., direct deposit welfare checks and food stamp debit cards) rather than for the larger benefit of the citizenry, we now actively encourage dependence while at the same time demeaning hard work, achievement and initiative.

I believe that every able-bodied welfare recipient should be required to show up at 8 am at the welfare office and be given a broom or some other work assignment. This would initially incur greater administrative expense, but it would lessen the gap between passive inactivity and productive activity which has infected generations of welfare recipients.

That would be slavery. The liberal thought it that no one should be required to work for dignity and a comfortable living. They are entitled to it with no effort on their part.
 
"Shame" and "intolerance" used to be considered antidotes to bad behavior; now they are decried as impediments to free expression. Unfortunately, control of our language has been co opted by Left Wing Journalism in our country. As a result, we have eliminated many of the values which kept our society functioning. Combined with a government bureaucracy which operates for its own convenience (e.g., direct deposit welfare checks and food stamp debit cards) rather than for the larger benefit of the citizenry, we now actively encourage dependence while at the same time demeaning hard work, achievement and initiative.

I believe that every able-bodied welfare recipient should be required to show up at 8 am at the welfare office and be given a broom or some other work assignment. This would initially incur greater administrative expense, but it would lessen the gap between passive inactivity and productive activity which has infected generations of welfare recipients.

That would be slavery. The liberal thought it that no one should be required to work for dignity and a comfortable living. They are entitled to it with no effort on their part.

I dont think it would be slavery, because you could opt out of it and go your own way at any time you want.

Its providing labor in return for a service, not even close to slavery.
 
The people who need to be weaned off the lifestyle are the well-heeled upper middle class bureaucrats who profit by perpetuating the system and even advertizing to get more people signed onto welfare programs.....Those people are the real parasites.
What you said.
 
The people who need to be weaned off the lifestyle are the well-heeled upper middle class bureaucrats who profit by perpetuating the system and even advertizing to get more people signed onto welfare programs.....Those people are the real parasites.

Yep. Rent seekers are the problem.
 
One consideration. Every dollar spent on "welfare" is spent back into the economy and businesses profit from it as well.

Just a point to ponder if welfare is removed.
 
One consideration. Every dollar spent on "welfare" is spent back into the economy and businesses profit from it as well.

Just a point to ponder if welfare is removed.

But it is a dollar spent without any productivity from the person it is given to. In most transactions you get something out the money at each step. I earn money by being an engineer. When I spend it I have added value to it by performing a needed task. The person behind the counter of the bodega earns thier money by providing a needed task and so on.

Welfare basically gives money and services to people and gets no production in return. The only thing you get is a buracracy set up soley to "watch" the money being given that does nothing. That person provides a service, but it is a service that does not add to the general prodcuction of the economy.

It is basically overhead on stagnant production.
 
While we are in the process of shaming those who need food stamps, do we also get to publicaly shame employers who don't pay enough so their employees can feed their families?

How about a big sign that says...

I work for WalMart and I need Food Stamps
 
How undemocratic it is of any of you to seek improving the lifestyles of the people the Democratic Party and liberals everywhere have worked so hard to enslave.

You should be ashamed of yourselves!

Immie
 
While we are in the process of shaming those who need food stamps, do we also get to publicaly shame employers who don't pay enough so their employees can feed their families?

How about a big sign that says...

I work for WalMart and I need Food Stamps

Get a job that pays better, or adjust your lifestyle to meet your current level of employment.

How many of those people on foodstamps working at wal-mart have a car? a cell phone? a big screen TV?
 
While we are in the process of shaming those who need food stamps, do we also get to publicaly shame employers who don't pay enough so their employees can feed their families?

How about a big sign that says...

I work for WalMart and I need Food Stamps

Get a job that pays better, or adjust your lifestyle to meet your current level of employment.

How many of those people on foodstamps working at wal-mart have a car? a cell phone? a big screen TV?

So,

We are willing to shame a man who works hard but does not earn enough to feed his family, but not those who make a huge profit out of paying substandard wages and expecting the taxpayer to make up the rest

If we want to play the shame card, how about all WalMart employees ( and McDonalds, Home Depot and whomever) are required to wear badges saying they work for WalMart and still need FoodStamps. How about our soldiers? We can make them wear a badge as part of their uniform if they need food stamps
 
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While we are in the process of shaming those who need food stamps, do we also get to publicaly shame employers who don't pay enough so their employees can feed their families?

How about a big sign that says...

I work for WalMart and I need Food Stamps

Get a job that pays better, or adjust your lifestyle to meet your current level of employment.

How many of those people on foodstamps working at wal-mart have a car? a cell phone? a big screen TV?

So,

We are willing to shame a man who works hard but does not earn enough to feed his family, but not those who make a huge profit out of paying substandard wages and expecting the taxpayer to make up the rest

If we want to play the shame card, how about all WalMart employees ( and McDonalds, Home Depot and whomever) are required to wear badges saying they work for WalMart and still need FoodStamps. How about our soldiers? We can make them wear a badge as part of their uniform if they need food stamps

Plan a boycott of walmart, Mcdonalds, et al until they change thier business practices. They are corporations and are here to make money, so limit thier money and they will be forced to change.

If the safety net was really there only for people at the true bottom, companies wouldnt be able to exploit it, and if they didnt pay even a basic living wage, people couldnt work for them.

The system is set up to get more and more people dependent on the government, and then liberals get upset when these people get dependent on the government.

Keep feeding the beast.....
 
Get a job that pays better, or adjust your lifestyle to meet your current level of employment.

How many of those people on foodstamps working at wal-mart have a car? a cell phone? a big screen TV?

So,

We are willing to shame a man who works hard but does not earn enough to feed his family, but not those who make a huge profit out of paying substandard wages and expecting the taxpayer to make up the rest

If we want to play the shame card, how about all WalMart employees ( and McDonalds, Home Depot and whomever) are required to wear badges saying they work for WalMart and still need FoodStamps. How about our soldiers? We can make them wear a badge as part of their uniform if they need food stamps

Plan a boycott of walmart, Mcdonalds, et al until they change thier business practices. They are corporations and are here to make money, so limit thier money and they will be forced to change.

If the safety net was really there only for people at the true bottom, companies wouldnt be able to exploit it, and if they didnt pay even a basic living wage, people couldnt work for them.

The system is set up to get more and more people dependent on the government, and then liberals get upset when these people get dependent on the government.

Keep feeding the beast.....

It is the employers who are dependent on government for their profits

If you open a business in a high cost of living area you will be unable to operate because you do not pay enough for your employees to live in that area. What you do is continue to pay substandard wages and have the taxpayers subsidize your workers
 
While we are in the process of shaming those who need food stamps, do we also get to publicaly shame employers who don't pay enough so their employees can feed their families?

How about a big sign that says...

I work for WalMart and I need Food Stamps

Get a job that pays better, or adjust your lifestyle to meet your current level of employment.

How many of those people on foodstamps working at wal-mart have a car? a cell phone? a big screen TV?

Why don't you get a better job?

Yeah, let's mock the working poor because they have a car...

...this is what the Right in this country has been reduced to.
 
So,

We are willing to shame a man who works hard but does not earn enough to feed his family, but not those who make a huge profit out of paying substandard wages and expecting the taxpayer to make up the rest

If we want to play the shame card, how about all WalMart employees ( and McDonalds, Home Depot and whomever) are required to wear badges saying they work for WalMart and still need FoodStamps. How about our soldiers? We can make them wear a badge as part of their uniform if they need food stamps

Plan a boycott of walmart, Mcdonalds, et al until they change thier business practices. They are corporations and are here to make money, so limit thier money and they will be forced to change.

If the safety net was really there only for people at the true bottom, companies wouldnt be able to exploit it, and if they didnt pay even a basic living wage, people couldnt work for them.

The system is set up to get more and more people dependent on the government, and then liberals get upset when these people get dependent on the government.

Keep feeding the beast.....

It is the employers who are dependent on government for their profits

If you open a business in a high cost of living area you will be unable to operate because you do not pay enough for your employees to live in that area. What you do is continue to pay substandard wages and have the taxpayers subsidize your workers

Simple solution. Set the threshold for taxpayer assitance low enough to not cover people working, and the employer will have to either a) shut down or b) adjust wages.
 

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