with the accompanying cartoon im sure he can grasp that....
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How to Make Health Care More Efficient
- Thread starter Toro
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with the accompanying cartoon im sure he can grasp that....
The SOCIALIST - believes that industries should be owned by the people of the nation, not by individuals, and that services like education and health care should be free for everyone. Under socialism, all means of production should be publicly owned. Unlike communists, socialists believe that such things can be achieved through pressure and reform.
such a nice picture....
Over the last 70 years I cannot think of one single federal government run program that has been managed well. It's hard for me to imagine them taking over health care. There has got to be a better solution to our health care problems. I believe it's in the private sector, & government needs to get out of the way--allow interstate competition--& do the hard part--by mandating that all citizens obtain coverage--or pay a fine or higher taxes.
Oreo...next time lets supply a corresponding picture with your post please...
oreo, Over the last 70 years I cannot think of one single federal government run program that has been managed well.
How about these guys?
A letter delivered in a few days, anywhere in the country for a few cents. GM and Chrysler would still be viable if they could pull off a miracle like that!
try working for them Derek and you may have a different opinion...
Washington, D.C.Reflecting the continuing shrinkage of direct mail marketing and the changing communication habits of the American public, the U.S. Postal Service reported a net loss of $677 million for May, bringing to $3.4 billion its total losses in the current fiscal year.
In addition, the USPS reported it processed 2.8 billion fewer pieces of mail in May, compared with the same month in 2008.
The USPS is on track to lose about $6 billion in its fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30.
Postal Service loses $677 million in May as volume declines :: BtoB Magazine
No thanks I'll send mine through e-mail and if it has to get there well...
FEDX or UPS
The difference between them is pretty obvious... the Post Office will tell you they don't use taxpayer funds and are completely on their own. However, that doesn't stop them from going to congress and asking money though....
Washington (AP) - Postmaster General John Potter said Wednesday the financially strapped U.S. Postal Service will run out of money this year without help from Congress.
The only lingering question, Potter told a House subcommittee, is which bills will get paid and which will not. He did say ensuring the payment of workers' salaries comes first. But Potter also said other bills may have to wait.
CNSNews.com - Postal Service Asks Congress for Bailout
Navy if the US govt. OWNS the Post Office,why should they not give them money if they need it....over say some private Co.?....and let me tell ya Navy, Fed X and UPS screw up plenty of times in their deliveries.....i have seen parcels from both dropped off at the wrong house many a time....and the big one is leaving a package at a house that the person whose name is on the package hasnt lived there for quite a while.....if the USPS had quality managers it would be what Derek is saying,but the ones who are dont get heard very much.....and they have WAY too many middle managers....more than half of them are absolutely useless,and these people make pretty good money to do nothing......AND there is no accountability.....
People don't understand costs in the real world.QUOTE]
Absolutely True, and you are one of them. The USPS has been making profits and cutting costs. Here is the link,
Postal Service Turns a Profit in Q1
Now, do I have to research how SSA gets all those checks out on the third of each month, or do you think you are a big boy, and can Google it yourself? Typical private-sector, always to look on top of things while trying to steal a buck.
thats not what we hear on the inside Derek....the article is just trying to make it seem like things are not that bad....when they are....and something like 80% or better of the monthly checks are direct deposit...
oreo, Over the last 70 years I cannot think of one single federal government run program that has been managed well.
How about these guys?
A letter delivered in a few days, anywhere in the country for a few cents. GM and Chrysler would still be viable if they could pull off a miracle like that!
Yeah....They're so efficient and trustworthy that numerous private carriers have sprung up, charging at least twice what the USPS does for overnight service, and are still rollin' in the dough.
Leave it to a brain dead Fabian socialist to use the Post Office as a model of "success"
sorry Dude but according to the Fed X and UPS guys on my route those guys are hurting just as bad as the PO....routes are being condensed due to diminishing volume....same as the PO....the FedX guy told me that their volume is down 60%....thats a lot....
Of course, the USPS has also become a HUGE money pit, that hasn't paid for itself in decades.
But you dumbshits g'head and keep on using it as example of "success".
well that is true and false....it is a money pit for congress.....but they are mandated to break even,so congress takes any excess and uses it on what they want....so if it hasnt "paid" for themselves....well blame congress for not letting them make a small profit...
Good lord, the postal service is run well??????????????? You libs gotta be kiddin or you are just flat stupid.
not gonna argue....way to many chiefs....but the mail that is delivered is because of the indians....they do the job in spite of the crappy management....
That proves nothing.....Everybody's business is down.sorry Dude but according to the Fed X and UPS guys on my route those guys are hurting just as bad as the PO....routes are being condensed due to diminishing volume....same as the PO....the FedX guy told me that their volume is down 60%....thats a lot....
Wait ... what? Babbling is not truth you know. Aside from the great facts Dude posted just before this, you do realize, of course they are cutting costs ... they have no money to spend so they have to. They are obsolete and poorly managed ... the fact that you think they are "doing a good job" ... you are not paying any attention.
Unless you posted sarcasm, you are just dead wrong.
Maggie ...define "doing a good job"....in what part,management or getting the mail out....
From the WSJ June 2 - Why It's easy to steal from Medicare
Here's how the myth of a government run system will look, with the Medicare system as model:
"The White House made a big show last week about "turning the heat up" on Medicare fraud, as HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius put it. The dragnet resulted in 53 indictments in Detroit for a $50 million scheme to submit bills for HIV drugs and physical therapy that were never provided, as well as busting up a Miami ring that used fake storefronts to steal some $100 million. As welcome as this is, the larger issue is what such plots say about President Obama's plans for a new government-run insurance program.
One of the purported benefits of nationalized health care is that it will be more efficient than private insurers since it would lack the profit motive and have lower administrative expenses, like Medicare. But one reason entitlement programs are so easy to defraud is precisely because they don't have those overhead costs -- they automatically pay whatever bills roll in with valid claims numbers.
By contrast, private insurers try to manage care, and that takes money. Not only does administrative spending go toward screening for waste and fraud -- logical, given the return-on-investment incentives -- they also go toward building networks of (honest) doctors and other providers. Medicare doesn't pay for this legwork, so it simply counts fraud losses as more spending. Generally private insurers also attempt to pay for other things that consumers find valuable, such as high quality, while Medicare and Medicaid are forbidden by law from excluding substandard providers, unless they're criminals.
Dead doctors, fake patients, high-school dropouts, fly-by-night businesses and the rest will continue to swindle our sclerotic entitlement system, no matter how far the government turns up the after-the-fact heat. The arrests in Detroit and Miami are another argument against importing to the rest of the health economy the model that enabled these scams."
Here's how the myth of a government run system will look, with the Medicare system as model:
"The White House made a big show last week about "turning the heat up" on Medicare fraud, as HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius put it. The dragnet resulted in 53 indictments in Detroit for a $50 million scheme to submit bills for HIV drugs and physical therapy that were never provided, as well as busting up a Miami ring that used fake storefronts to steal some $100 million. As welcome as this is, the larger issue is what such plots say about President Obama's plans for a new government-run insurance program.
One of the purported benefits of nationalized health care is that it will be more efficient than private insurers since it would lack the profit motive and have lower administrative expenses, like Medicare. But one reason entitlement programs are so easy to defraud is precisely because they don't have those overhead costs -- they automatically pay whatever bills roll in with valid claims numbers.
By contrast, private insurers try to manage care, and that takes money. Not only does administrative spending go toward screening for waste and fraud -- logical, given the return-on-investment incentives -- they also go toward building networks of (honest) doctors and other providers. Medicare doesn't pay for this legwork, so it simply counts fraud losses as more spending. Generally private insurers also attempt to pay for other things that consumers find valuable, such as high quality, while Medicare and Medicaid are forbidden by law from excluding substandard providers, unless they're criminals.
Dead doctors, fake patients, high-school dropouts, fly-by-night businesses and the rest will continue to swindle our sclerotic entitlement system, no matter how far the government turns up the after-the-fact heat. The arrests in Detroit and Miami are another argument against importing to the rest of the health economy the model that enabled these scams."
That proves nothing.....Everybody's business is down.sorry Dude but according to the Fed X and UPS guys on my route those guys are hurting just as bad as the PO....routes are being condensed due to diminishing volume....same as the PO....the FedX guy told me that their volume is down 60%....thats a lot....
you said they were rolling in dough....post no 62....and new carriers at that....who are they.....i only see the same 4 -5 companies....the smaller ones i used to see ....i dont see them anymore....
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FedEx and UPS are "new" compared to USPS.That proves nothing.....Everybody's business is down.sorry Dude but according to the Fed X and UPS guys on my route those guys are hurting just as bad as the PO....routes are being condensed due to diminishing volume....same as the PO....the FedX guy told me that their volume is down 60%....thats a lot....
you said they were rolling in dough....post no 62....and new carriers at that....who are they.....i only see the same 4 -5 companies....the smaller ones i used to see ....i dont see them anymore....
And even their business is in fact off sharply, they're still profitable despite them charging significantly more than the post office.
FedEx and UPS are "new" compared to USPS.That proves nothing.....Everybody's business is down.
you said they were rolling in dough....post no 62....and new carriers at that....who are they.....i only see the same 4 -5 companies....the smaller ones i used to see ....i dont see them anymore....
And even their business is in fact off sharply, they're still profitable despite them charging significantly more than the post office.
well if you call 102 years new...(UPS)....but the guys i talk to Dude who work for the place say they are hurting....and the newer guys have reason to worry....
KittenKoder
Senior Member
FedEx and UPS are "new" compared to USPS.That proves nothing.....Everybody's business is down.
you said they were rolling in dough....post no 62....and new carriers at that....who are they.....i only see the same 4 -5 companies....the smaller ones i used to see ....i dont see them anymore....
And even their business is in fact off sharply, they're still profitable despite them charging significantly more than the post office.
They don't charge much more, and if you factor in the taxes used for the USPS ultimately you pay about the same, less if you never use mail, for FedEx and UPS.
what taxes?FedEx and UPS are "new" compared to USPS.you said they were rolling in dough....post no 62....and new carriers at that....who are they.....i only see the same 4 -5 companies....the smaller ones i used to see ....i dont see them anymore....
And even their business is in fact off sharply, they're still profitable despite them charging significantly more than the post office.
They don't charge much more, and if you factor in the taxes used for the USPS ultimately you pay about the same, less if you never use mail, for FedEx and UPS.
what taxes?FedEx and UPS are "new" compared to USPS.
And even their business is in fact off sharply, they're still profitable despite them charging significantly more than the post office.
They don't charge much more, and if you factor in the taxes used for the USPS ultimately you pay about the same, less if you never use mail, for FedEx and UPS.
KittenKoder
Senior Member
what taxes?FedEx and UPS are "new" compared to USPS.
And even their business is in fact off sharply, they're still profitable despite them charging significantly more than the post office.
They don't charge much more, and if you factor in the taxes used for the USPS ultimately you pay about the same, less if you never use mail, for FedEx and UPS.
USPS here gets local taxes when they whine about "going under" ... probably not everywhere, but meh. However since our city is broke and has been for a while they don't get any ...
what taxes?They don't charge much more, and if you factor in the taxes used for the USPS ultimately you pay about the same, less if you never use mail, for FedEx and UPS.
USPS here gets local taxes when they whine about "going under" ... probably not everywhere, but meh. However since our city is broke and has been for a while they don't get any ...
KK, the USPS is a federal entity and does not collect local taxes.
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