How to beat the Constitution 101

[Firehorse]

1) House gets a spending bill (Bill A) wiggles this way and that and eventually passes Bill A

2) Sentate doesn't like Bill A because it's a Republican bill and sits on it, never bringing it up for vote.

3) Bill B is introduced in Senate (agaist the rules), only a hand full like Bill B, it passes (or parts there of do) but it has no hope in the House.

4) Bill B is then added to Bill A as a rider. Sense Bill A has already passed the House, all that is required to make Bill A (with Bill B as a rider) is a Senate vote ....

Bill A passes with the very unpopular Bill B riding on as an amendment.

5) Pres signs Bill A and in effect gets Bill B past the House road block

New money bills are supposed to start in the House because the House controls the money. That this 'Jobs Bill' is in the Senate with new Government spending is a direct assult on the way this nation operates ... Pay close heed ladies and gents ....

What's about to happen is the voice of the people and the entire House of Representatives being bypassed

 

[Avorysuds]

lol... Sad times fo sho~

 

[midcan5]

Yesterday in a spare moment I turned on cspan's live coverage of congress. A dem from California and Repub fro Florida were arguing over a bill that would in effect tax our veterans. The dem called the republicans hypocrites as they say they are opposed to tax increases but taxing vets is somehow in their world OK. Now consider this and then read the OP. Is that what really happens or is this another brain dead right wing partisan? Yep right wing puppet. Thinking caps on. http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/124603-thinking-caps-on-america.html

This piece is great for those few in America who can still think. Rust Belt Philosophy: The importance of being earnest (conclusion)

"Government, the thought goes, should really be like makeup in a way: it should aim to achieve a state of falsified naturalness, so that when it works you don't even notice. "The dreams of rationalist planners" - who, of course, are always liberal on this view - are too clumsy and heavy-handed to accomplish this and so they must be rejected. Only a more organic (read: more conservative, laissez-faire) approach can "address the human person in his or her fullness," and so only a more organic approach is supportable. For the sake of argument, let's assume for the moment that this theory is correct. Governments shouldn't really try to plan things or tell us what to do because they don't get what it means to be a full person; rather, they should get out of the way and let us do it ourselves. Which party, on this assumption, should we support?"

 

[uscitizen]

Or you can just get corporations declared as individuals. Which is no where in the constitution.

 

[M14 Shooter]

1) House gets a spending bill (Bill A) wiggles this way and that and eventually passes Bill A

2) Sentate doesn't like Bill A because it's a Republican bill and sits on it, never bringing it up for vote.

3) Bill B is introduced in Senate (agaist the rules), only a hand full like Bill B, it passes (or parts there of do) but it has no hope in the House.

4) Bill B is then added to Bill A as a rider. Sense Bill A has already passed the House, all that is required to make Bill A (with Bill B as a rider) is a Senate vote ....

Bill A passes with the very unpopular Bill B riding on as an amendment.

5) Pres signs Bill A and in effect gets Bill B past the House road block

New money bills are supposed to start in the House because the House controls the money. That this 'Jobs Bill' is in the Senate with new Government spending is a direct assult on the way this nation operates ... Pay close heed ladies and gents ....

What's about to happen is the voice of the people and the entire House of Representatives being bypassed

Any changes to a bill in the Senate, including adding a rider, have to go back to the house for a vote.

 

[conner700]

It is my understanding that none of Obama jobs bill passed the house or the senate in it original form or seperated or as an attachement. I could be wrong.

So what your saying is that Bill B ---one part of Obama's Job bill has been passed. Which one?
To the best of my knowledge Obama's jobs bill was broken up into parts--so the Republican in the House could understand them. And the three seperate parts that have reached the floor for a vote have been voted down.

If one has passed the house and the senate as an attachment---which of the three is it??