How To Afford Universal Health Care.

[Political Junky]

UHC is not free

~S~

To those who don't pay a bill after seeing a doctor, that makes it free enough. And if you look at the graph, where they do have universal health care, it is at least a lot fucking cheaper.

Those countries have outrageous levels of taxation you tard.

Name a country that would prefer US health care to their own.

Isn't what Americans prefer the only important question?

You speak for all Americans?

 

[Political Junky]

Americans don’t yet know whether they really support single-payer

The Pew Research Center found that 45 percent of Americans ages 18 to 29 — including 66 percent of those who identify as Democrats — supported single-payer health care. Lake explicitly credited Sanders with galvanizing interest in single-payer among younger voters.Sep 13, 2017

 

[frigidweirdo]

Americans don’t yet know whether they really support single-payer

The Pew Research Center found that 45 percent of Americans ages 18 to 29 — including 66 percent of those who identify as Democrats — supported single-payer health care. Lake explicitly credited Sanders with galvanizing interest in single-payer among younger voters.Sep 13, 2017

How many even really understand what single player is? They simply hear "it's Communist" and they reject it, without understanding it.

 

[Darkwind]

I spend 3,400 dollars a year on healthcare.

I'll take that over the 12k that Canadians are paying.

Does your plan pay 100% of your medical bills as Canada does?

My plan isn't in charge of My lifestyle either.

Do you believe that every person has a responsibility to their own life or no?

The fact remains. I pay less than 4k dollars a year in health insurance. (Lets be honest about what we are talking about here, it is insurance, not medical care).

That means that if I have been paying into the insurance company 4k dollars a year for 10 years, and I have a heart attack, they will have to fork over 80% of a 200k bill.

That means they will have to pay 160k dollars for My 40k dollar payment.

So, for 200k dollars worth of coverage, I pay 80k dollars. (4k a year with 4k deductible per year) In case you missed out, that is half of the bill.

Now, in Canada, I am paying 12k per year in taxes for everyone's healthcare. That is 120k per the same 10 year period.

That means I have saved 40k dollars by not living in Canada.

Tell Me again what a deal it is?

Good luck when your hospital bill is hundreds of thousands of dollars for a life-threatening illness.

Wow, I literally just posted that. And I overstated how much I was paying.

Wow.

 

[fncceo]

UHC is not free

~S~

To those who don't pay a bill after seeing a doctor, that makes it free enough. And if you look at the graph, where they do have universal health care, it is at least a lot fucking cheaper.

Those countries have outrageous levels of taxation you tard.

Name a country that would prefer US health care to their own.

Isn't what Americans prefer the only important question?

You speak for all Americans?

Not at all. The ballot speaks for Americans.

They elected a President with very different ideas about healthcare than his predecessor.

 

[dblack]

How many even really understand what single player is? They simply hear "it's Communist" and they reject it, without understanding it.

Some of them, no doubt. Just like some hear socialism and just think "free stuff". Lots of idiots out there voting.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Okay, let's put all of it in perspective.

You are being murdered. A cop is standing nearby. He doesn't work for free. Before he will do anything you have to pay him. Otherwise, you are free to continue to be murdered. Have that credit card on hand unless the bad guy already got it.

Your house is on fire and you call the fire department. They need to bill your credit card before they will dispatch the trucks and fire fighters to your location. You mean you only have a Debit Card and it will exceed the money in your account? Your house burns to the ground then. I doubt if there will be time to take out a loan in time to save your house.

This is the health care we have today. If that doesn't scare the hell out of you, think of if the Cops and Firefighters operated the same way.

 

[fncceo]

Okay, let's put all of it in perspective.

You are being murdered. A cop is standing nearby. He doesn't work for free. Before he will do anything you have to pay him. Otherwise, you are free to continue to be murdered. Have that credit card on hand unless the bad guy already got it.

Your house is on fire and you call the fire department. They need to bill your credit card before they will dispatch the trucks and fire fighters to your location. You mean you only have a Debit Card and it will exceed the money in your account? Your house burns to the ground then. I doubt if there will be time to take out a loan in time to save your house.

This is the health care we have today. If that doesn't scare the hell out of you, think of if the Cops and Firefighters operated the same way.

Health insurance, like police and fire, are prepaid. The pre-payment of health costs takes the form of health insurance, which every responsible adult either fits into their budget, or takes step to self-fund.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The answer is easy. You make it free, free, FREE! I will show you a graph of the percentage of GDP that various countries pay for health care. Many of them have universal health care. As a percedntage of their countries GDP, they pay much less than Americans do.

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The UK has universal healthcare, and spends LESS per capita on it than the US federal government spends on healthcare in the US.

 

[frigidweirdo]

UHC is not free

~S~

But pedantic is free. You know he means "free at the point of delivery", so why do you bother to go out of your way to be as pedantic as possible?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Okay, let's put all of it in perspective.

You are being murdered. A cop is standing nearby. He doesn't work for free. Before he will do anything you have to pay him. Otherwise, you are free to continue to be murdered. Have that credit card on hand unless the bad guy already got it.

Your house is on fire and you call the fire department. They need to bill your credit card before they will dispatch the trucks and fire fighters to your location. You mean you only have a Debit Card and it will exceed the money in your account? Your house burns to the ground then. I doubt if there will be time to take out a loan in time to save your house.

This is the health care we have today. If that doesn't scare the hell out of you, think of if the Cops and Firefighters operated the same way.

Health insurance, like police and fire, are prepaid. The pre-payment of health costs takes the form of health insurance, which every responsible adult either fits into their budget, or takes step to self-fund.

No, they aren't. You pay your taxes and the Police and Fire Forces are paid out of that. You don't have to take out any insurance. It's not private, it's public through taxes and everyone pays those taxes through sales, property,and more. If you want to place health on the same level,you place cops and firefighters in private corporations that you must have private insurance in order for you to utilize their services. The Cop will show up, check to see if you have the proper and current card, and then if you do, then keep you from being murdered. If not, he'll stand there and watch the knife go in 17 times.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The answer is easy. You make it free, free, FREE! I will show you a graph of the percentage of GDP that various countries pay for health care. Many of them have universal health care. As a percedntage of their countries GDP, they pay much less than Americans do.

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The UK has universal healthcare, and spends LESS per capita on it than the US federal government spends on healthcare in the US.

The UK has universal healthcare, and spends LESS per capita on it

Well, sure, when you restrict the supply, require long waiting periods and don't spend on the newest drugs and newest equipment, you can save lots of money.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The answer is easy. You make it free, free, FREE! I will show you a graph of the percentage of GDP that various countries pay for health care. Many of them have universal health care. As a percedntage of their countries GDP, they pay much less than Americans do.

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The UK has universal healthcare, and spends LESS per capita on it than the US federal government spends on healthcare in the US.

The UK has universal healthcare, and spends LE that SS per capita on it

Well, sure, when you restrict the supply, require long waiting periods and don't spend on the newest drugs and newest equipment, you can save lots of money.

And you think think that Medicare is different there? I tried to use Civilian Medicare. I could only get the really bad doctors in the really poor clinics with the poor services with the long waiting periods. This was during the time period when the VA was disgraceful. The VA got much, much better. I learned the key phrase to use to get excellent service from the the VA. Just comment that I am being sent home to die. To avoid a possible bad PR, they will fall all over themselves to avoid any hint of bad PR. Meanwhile, the civilian medical is a complete mess. What's even sadder, if I do use the civilian medical,I am 100% covered with both Medicare and Tricare less 175 bucks per year. One would think I would not have a problem getting civilian care. But it's the fact part of it is medicare that is the problem. The Civilian medical won't look any further than that. More and more doctors are refusing to take medicare these days or medicaid these days.

My opinion of the Silly Villian Medical System is that it should be universal. That way the picking and choosing would end and Doctors can get back to being Doctors again.

 

[dblack]

That way the picking and choosing would end and Doctors can get back to being Doctors again.

Abolish picking and choosing. Submit to universal health care.

 

[Maxdeath]

Stop all of the military spending so people can have money in their pockets and they'll be able to afford their healthcare.

The only reason our GDP is where it is is because of federal spending. Without all of the government spending the GDP would tank. Military spending, by the way, is not defense spending. Two diifferent budgets.

We don't need over a thousand bases occupying the world. unconstitutionaly, I might add. Bring them home, build more bases here, that's real defense spending. Then keep that money in the taxpayers pockets where it belongs so they can afford healthcare.

First off we only have 662 bases in thirty eight countries not 1,000.
Second if we close those bases not only do we increase our own unemployment but we increase unemployment in the countries where those bases are located.
Third we cut down on the needed materials to supply those bases such as food, clothing, planes and all the other parts. This means more people out of work that build, grow or produce theses needed supplies.
Lastly NATO and others will feel that they can not trust our word to help protect them. We would not have a rapid response to threats. Our standing on the world stage would diminish to nothing.

So yes bring them home crash our economy. Crash our standing with our allies and the world in general. That will in no way help anyone and will put no money in everyone's pocket.

 

[dblack]

Stop all of the military spending so people can have money in their pockets and they'll be able to afford their healthcare.

The only reason our GDP is where it is is because of federal spending. Without all of the government spending the GDP would tank. Military spending, by the way, is not defense spending. Two diifferent budgets.

We don't need over a thousand bases occupying the world. unconstitutionaly, I might add. Bring them home, build more bases here, that's real defense spending. Then keep that money in the taxpayers pockets where it belongs so they can afford healthcare.

First off we only have 662 bases in thirty eight countries not 1,000.
Second if we close those bases not only do we increase our own unemployment but we increase unemployment in the countries where those bases are located.
Third we cut down on the needed materials to supply those bases such as food, clothing, planes and all the other parts. This means more people out of work that build, grow or produce theses needed supplies.
Lastly NATO and others will feel that they can not trust our word to help protect them. We would not have a rapid response to threats. Our standing on the world stage would diminish to nothing.

So yes bring them home crash our economy. Crash our standing with our allies and the world in general. That will in no way help anyone and will put no money in everyone's pocket.

All these dependencies and expectations can be phased out sanely. And should be.

 

[Maxdeath]

Stop all of the military spending so people can have money in their pockets and they'll be able to afford their healthcare.

The only reason our GDP is where it is is because of federal spending. Without all of the government spending the GDP would tank. Military spending, by the way, is not defense spending. Two diifferent budgets.

We don't need over a thousand bases occupying the world. unconstitutionaly, I might add. Bring them home, build more bases here, that's real defense spending. Then keep that money in the taxpayers pockets where it belongs so they can afford healthcare.

First off we only have 662 bases in thirty eight countries not 1,000.
Second if we close those bases not only do we increase our own unemployment but we increase unemployment in the countries where those bases are located.
Third we cut down on the needed materials to supply those bases such as food, clothing, planes and all the other parts. This means more people out of work that build, grow or produce theses needed supplies.
Lastly NATO and others will feel that they can not trust our word to help protect them. We would not have a rapid response to threats. Our standing on the world stage would diminish to nothing.

So yes bring them home crash our economy. Crash our standing with our allies and the world in general. That will in no way help anyone and will put no money in everyone's pocket.

All these dependencies and expectations can be phased out sanely. And should be.

Oh it could be done but to do it would mean not in the lifetime of children being born today. In other words it would take generations. I doubt most of those wanting health care are willing to wait that long.

Not to mention that you will have numourous countries seeing this as an abandonment on the part of the U.S.

 

[dblack]

Stop all of the military spending so people can have money in their pockets and they'll be able to afford their healthcare.

The only reason our GDP is where it is is because of federal spending. Without all of the government spending the GDP would tank. Military spending, by the way, is not defense spending. Two diifferent budgets.

We don't need over a thousand bases occupying the world. unconstitutionaly, I might add. Bring them home, build more bases here, that's real defense spending. Then keep that money in the taxpayers pockets where it belongs so they can afford healthcare.

First off we only have 662 bases in thirty eight countries not 1,000.
Second if we close those bases not only do we increase our own unemployment but we increase unemployment in the countries where those bases are located.
Third we cut down on the needed materials to supply those bases such as food, clothing, planes and all the other parts. This means more people out of work that build, grow or produce theses needed supplies.
Lastly NATO and others will feel that they can not trust our word to help protect them. We would not have a rapid response to threats. Our standing on the world stage would diminish to nothing.

So yes bring them home crash our economy. Crash our standing with our allies and the world in general. That will in no way help anyone and will put no money in everyone's pocket.

All these dependencies and expectations can be phased out sanely. And should be.

Oh it could be done but to do it would mean not in the lifetime of children being born today. In other words it would take generations. I doubt most of those wanting health care are willing to wait that long.

Not to mention that you will have numourous countries seeing this as an abandonment on the part of the U.S.

I see no reason to drag it out. I'm sure it will piss a lot of people off - a lot of them have a sweet ride on the gravy train - but that's no reason to continue bad policy.

 

[Maxdeath]

Stop all of the military spending so people can have money in their pockets and they'll be able to afford their healthcare.

The only reason our GDP is where it is is because of federal spending. Without all of the government spending the GDP would tank. Military spending, by the way, is not defense spending. Two diifferent budgets.

We don't need over a thousand bases occupying the world. unconstitutionaly, I might add. Bring them home, build more bases here, that's real defense spending. Then keep that money in the taxpayers pockets where it belongs so they can afford healthcare.

First off we only have 662 bases in thirty eight countries not 1,000.
Second if we close those bases not only do we increase our own unemployment but we increase unemployment in the countries where those bases are located.
Third we cut down on the needed materials to supply those bases such as food, clothing, planes and all the other parts. This means more people out of work that build, grow or produce theses needed supplies.
Lastly NATO and others will feel that they can not trust our word to help protect them. We would not have a rapid response to threats. Our standing on the world stage would diminish to nothing.

So yes bring them home crash our economy. Crash our standing with our allies and the world in general. That will in no way help anyone and will put no money in everyone's pocket.

All these dependencies and expectations can be phased out sanely. And should be.

Oh it could be done but to do it would mean not in the lifetime of children being born today. In other words it would take generations. I doubt most of those wanting health care are willing to wait that long.

Not to mention that you will have numourous countries seeing this as an abandonment on the part of the U.S.

I see no reason to drag it out. I'm sure it will piss a lot of people off - a lot of them have a sweet ride on the gravy train - but that's no reason to continue bad policy.

Oh I am sorry I thought you said sanely. As I stated doing it in two five or even a generation would create a depression that would make everyone wish it was as good as the Great Depression. It takes millions of dollars to build a single base. Who is going to pay for even building one not to mention 600?

 

[sparky]

Foriegn policy extortion in the guise of democracy building is a looser game Max

'eff those countries, quit payin' for them slackedrs

~S~