How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today

[Unkotare]

Even today you can still smell the humiliation of the Russo-Japanese War .

What you smell is not a "Russo-Japanese War", it's shit and lard that dribbles out of your brain onto your keyboard.

Did that post make the shame go away? No, it didn't. Nothing seems to work, huh?

 

[Oddball]

Unlike you, I can grasp a lot of things,

Yeah, like lots of pizzas and big macs.

Huh?...Was that supposed to be some kind of zinger?

 

[Flopper]

The Soviet Japanese conflict was a series of border wars in Manchuria and Mongolia from about 1932 to end of WWII. .

It gets better and better!

Please, do tell me where did USSR fight Japanese after 13 of April 1941?!
I would love to know!

On August 9, 1945, the Soviets invaded the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo and was the largest campaign of the 1945 Soviet–Japanese War which resumed hostilities between the Soviet Union and the Empire of Japan after more than four years of peace.

Soviet invasion of Manchuria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[whitehall]

It's wasn't hard to fool the fledgling CIA back in the 40's and 50's. As a matter of fact it was never hard to fool the CIA. FDR used to call Stalin "uncle Joe" and share jokes with him about Churchill. FDR can be excused for his conduct because he was a tired old and possibly brain damaged corpse that democrats propped up to run for a 4th term. Truman understood Stalin's threat but the mainstream media was in love with communism and socialism as they are today.

 

[Spoonman]

stalin was a necessary evil. .

Who the fuck are you to call one of the most popular statesmen in the history of Russia -- "evil"?!

You want to see evil? You look at entire history of America. You started by robbing the natives off their land and murdering them; and you are finishing by robbing the world and murdering other nations!

not only was he evil, he sucked

 

[American_Jihad]

The "American" Left loves Uncles Joe

That's one of the reasons for the thread, to flush them out. I also wanted to show saigon the journalist from hellstinky how the leftist ilk on this forum defend the great murdering beast, stinky I hope this thread proved my point...

 

[Saigon]

The "American" Left loves Uncles Joe

That's one of the reasons for the thread, to flush them out. I also wanted to show saigon the journalist from hellstinky how the leftist ilk on this forum defend the great murdering beast, stinky I hope this thread proved my point...

It proved the point alright - NOT A SINGLE POSTER defended Stalin. Not one.

An honest poster would admit that and apologise.

 

[Unkotare]

The "American" Left loves Uncles Joe

That's one of the reasons for the thread, to flush them out. I also wanted to show saigon the journalist from hellstinky how the leftist ilk on this forum defend the great murdering beast, stinky I hope this thread proved my point...

It proved the point alright - NOT A SINGLE POSTER defended Stalin. Not one.

An honest poster would admit that and apologise.

Perseensuti's limited English lets him down again.

 

[blackcherry]

The day you prove anything , apart from your naivety , is the day I will choke to death from surprise .
I suggest you worry more about your self than other people .
Because when we assume strong leadership , you will be one of the first to be put at the back of the class with a Dunce's cap on .

 

[Ringel05]

The "American" Left loves Uncles Joe

That's one of the reasons for the thread, to flush them out. I also wanted to show saigon the journalist from hellstinky how the leftist ilk on this forum defend the great murdering beast, stinky I hope this thread proved my point...

It proved the point alright - NOT A SINGLE POSTER defended Stalin. Not one.

An honest poster would admit that and apologise.

Mememe did but again, it might be a stretch to consider him/her/it a poster.
As for the OPs intent, yeah so many on the left are card carrying members of the American Communist Party.......... Yeah, right...........

 

[Saigon]

Ringel -

I have mememe on ignore mode!

So let's make my statement read:

It proved the point alright - NOT A SINGLE 'SANE' POSTER defended Stalin. Not one.

 

[Ringel05]

Ringel -

I have mememe on ignore mode!

So let's make my statement read:

It proved the point alright - NOT A SINGLE 'SANE' POSTER defended Stalin. Not one.

Granted, many here might consider me "less than sane" but from a cultural and historical, non-judgemental standpoint I might be willing to "defend" Stalin, to a certain degree if that's what people want to call it. I'll call it recognizing historical fact and tying it to Russian peoples cultural norms to explain why Stalin did some of the things he did and why the west, specifically England was most responsible for starting the cold war.
Or not. My back just woke me up after 4 hours of sleep, hoping it settles down soon so I can go back to bed.
BTW, why have someone like that on ignore? Do you realize the entertainment factor you're missing??!!

 

[Sallow]

Stalin did not fool anybody. We probably could not have defeated Germany without him. We also knew that if we went to war with the Soviet union in 1945, we would not have won. Thier dead in WW2 was almost equal to 100% of our men in uniform. Containment was the best that we could hope to achieve.

Absolutely.

This is the probably with conservative analysis. It's binary. It's incredibly naive. And it's almost childish.

It's extremely hard to take any of them even remotely seriously.

 

[rightwinger]

What was the US bargaining position in these negotiations?

The USSR had already won the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk. They already had a massive Army on the continent and were moving westward

We had not even invaded Normandy yet

 

[Toronado3800]

Comrade Stalin holding little mememe

How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today​

March 20, 2013
By Daniel Greenfield

There are two ways that liberal historians usually look at Stalin. The most leftward of these is to see Stalin as a victim of German and American imperialism who struggled to maintain the peace in the face of aggressive expansionistic efforts by Nazi Germany and the United States.

Such a revisionist history would seem to have been thoroughly discredited in this day and age, despite its persistence in the early days of the Cold War, but it continues resurfacing, most recently in an Oliver Stone documentary series.

But for the most part, Khrushchev’s disavowal of Stalin completed a process that began once the Soviet dictator cut a deal with Hitler, triggering a growing Destalinization cascade on the left. Stalinists still persisted in the West, but their influence on the authoring of history steadily diminished. Instead they embraced a different version of history that would salvage the ideological integrity of the left.

In this more conventional version of history, Stalin was not truly a Communist, but a non-ideological dictator who had seized control of the Soviet ship of state and transformed a promisingly progressive revolution into a backward feudal tyranny.

...

This question, like so many of the others in Stalin’s Curse, remains applicable today. While Stalin is dead, there are many lesser Stalins like Morsi, small vicious men with an unlimited capacity for bloodshed and an even more unlimited ability to fool Western leaders into believing in their sincerity and goodness.

The negotiations that allowed Stalin to gobble up so many countries have been repeated again and again. And every time that diplomats call for a diplomatic solution in North Korea and Iran, we find ourselves back sitting across the table from Uncle Joe.

And that may be Stalin’s true curse.

How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today

Maybe, maybe in 1942 while we were recruiting an army to go save Europe from the Germans again the internal propaganda had a few folks fooled or downplayed the severity of Stalin's evil.

None the less, Stalin benefitted from having Hitler make him not the biggest monster of the century if that is an accomplishment.

 

[High_Gravity]

And Stalin likely could not have defended Moscow without American help. At the time the US began to supply trucks Stalin was on the point of being overthrown by his own people, and the Soviets were facing the potential loss of Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad. More importantly, they were facing the loss of Baku's oil fields, which were only saved as it was by a strategic error on Hitler's part.

Brilliant!

Absolutely brilliant!

Now I understand why Americans mess up everything they touch: they live on their own planet with no connection to the outside world!

And yet you can't keep talking about us you dumb whore.

 

[Spoonman]

What was the US bargaining position in these negotiations?

The USSR had already won the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk. They already had a massive Army on the continent and were moving westward

We had not even invaded Normandy yet

but they didn't have the bomb

 

[High_Gravity]

Stalin was a joke.

 

[rightwinger]

What was the US bargaining position in these negotiations?

The USSR had already won the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk. They already had a massive Army on the continent and were moving westward

We had not even invaded Normandy yet

but they didn't have the bomb

We didn't either and had no idea whether it would work

 

[Vandalshandle]

What was the US bargaining position in these negotiations?

The USSR had already won the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk. They already had a massive Army on the continent and were moving westward

We had not even invaded Normandy yet

but they didn't have the bomb

We didn't either and had no idea whether it would work

There is no way in hell that this country would have used a nuclear bomb against the Soviets in Europe. The world would never have forgiven us, and we would have been hated and despised for all time by all Western nations.