How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today

[Spoonman]

stalin was a necessary evil. prior to hiltler attacking russia, stalin signed a non aggression pact with Germany and allied with them. he only reached out ot the allies when hitler became his enemy. the allies only aided him because we needed him to defeat germany quicker. and remember, after Germany was defeated stalin refused to lend aid against japan until their defeat was already a done deal.

 

[Vandalshandle]

We also knew that if we went to war with the Soviet union in 1945, we would not have won.

In 1945? Of course we would have won.

The only person who thought that was Patton, and he LIVED to make war.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The "American" Left loves Uncles Joe

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We also knew that if we went to war with the Soviet union in 1945, we would not have won.

In 1945? Of course we would have won.

The only person who thought that was Patton, and he LIVED to make war.

If Patton, and not Bradley was leading US forces, we would have been in Berlin in March 1945 and had taken Prague and Vienna as well and the USSR could forget about their "Buffer zone"

 

[Unkotare]

We also knew that if we went to war with the Soviet union in 1945, we would not have won.

In 1945? Of course we would have won.

The only person who thought that was Patton, and he LIVED to make war.

The Soviets had already lost almost everyone who knew how to fight, and millions more who were literally used as cannon fodder. Starvation was rampant. Even before the slaughter, Stalin had purged most mid-level officers who actually ran things. The Soviets couldn't even have held out as courageously and suicidally as they did without the millions of tons of supplies we sent them. AND, we had the bomb then and they did not. After we dropped the last of our two on Nagasaki you have to know folks were mighty busy making more.

In 1945? Of course we would have won. However, the American people were in no mood for more war just then, and it certainly would have been seen as doing things the hard way when containment presented another option (despite what an arguably worse choice that turned out to be).

 

[Oddball]

We also knew that if we went to war with the Soviet union in 1945, we would not have won.

In 1945? Of course we would have won.

The only person who thought that was Patton, and he LIVED to make war.

We had the bomb and the commies didn't.

The Red Army wouldn't have waited for the second one to be dropped on Russia before they started surrendering to the American army, in numbers that would've made the German surrender look like a Boy Scout troop meeting.

 

[Unkotare]

mememe gets off on being 'dictated' to in every available orifice. She certainly gives her all for (to?) the people.


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[Unkotare]

In 1945? Of course we would have won.

The only person who thought that was Patton, and he LIVED to make war.

We had the bomb and the commies didn't.

The Red Army wouldn't have waited for the second one to be dropped on Russia before they started surrendering to the American army, in numbers that would've made the German surrender look like a Boy Scout troop meeting.

Only we wouldn't have rushed in to rape every nun in the country the way the russians did.

 

[Flopper]

stalin was a necessary evil. prior to hiltler attacking russia, stalin signed a non aggression pact with Germany and allied with them. he only reached out ot the allies when hitler became his enemy. the allies only aided him because we needed him to defeat germany quicker. and remember, after Germany was defeated stalin refused to lend aid against japan until their defeat was already a done deal.

Unlike Hitler and Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were never on friendly terms. Both harbored a deep distrust of each other.

Hitler had seen first hand in WWI the problem of fighting a war on two fronts. Hitler promised Stalin half of Poland, the Baltic States, and farm machinery. Stalin needed only to provide some food products and stay out of the war, a deal too good to be true, which of course it was.

Stalin was smart, very focused, a sociopath, and extremely paranoid, the makings of a great dictator and a miserable example of a human being.

 

[Ringel05]

Also Stalin had troops sitting on their hands in Siberia facing of against a potential Japanese attack. When Soviet spies found out the Japs had no intention of attacking Stalin moved most of those troops to Stalingrad for the encirclement, sealing the Germans fate.

Really?!

I thought "Japs had no intention of attacking" because the USSR defeated them TWICE just prior to German invasion! Apparently, Soviets did not know about it until the winter of 1942? Amazing knowledge...

By defeated you mean the Soviets stopped two Japanese assaults, right? And this equates to their knowing the Japanese weren't planning and or intending another one......? Sure thing there Sparky. Maybe if you actually read more than Soviet "history" books.........

 

[Flopper]

Also Stalin had troops sitting on their hands in Siberia facing of against a potential Japanese attack. When Soviet spies found out the Japs had no intention of attacking Stalin moved most of those troops to Stalingrad for the encirclement, sealing the Germans fate.

Really?!

I thought "Japs had no intention of attacking" because the USSR defeated them TWICE just prior to German invasion! Apparently, Soviets did not know about it until the winter of 1942? Amazing knowledge...

The Soviet Japanese conflict was a series of border wars in Manchuria and Mongolia from about 1932 to end of WWII. War with the US, drew Japan's focus and resources away from Asia and allowed Stalin to move troops to the eastern front.

 

[Oddball]

The Red Army wouldn't have waited for the second one to be dropped on Russia before they started surrendering to the American army, in numbers that would've made the German surrender look like a Boy Scout troop meeting.

Yeah?

You can't even defeat Afghan goat herders! And that's with the whole of NATO helping you.

WTF are you blabbering about?

 

[Emir]

Then what was the Holodomor?


Oh lord, you're a Trotskyist?


Socialism is most certainly an ideology,

a) not "holodomor", but "golodomor", since "holod" means "cold" while "golod" means "hunger". But, I guess, it's all the same to Western propaganda consumers.
b) what you call "holodomor" is US invented name for famine that happened in Ukraine in 1930. Same famine at the same time also happened in other regions of the Soviet Union; in Poland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Germany, US and UK.
If you are about to blame famine in USSR on Stalin, then tell me who is to blame for famine in other countries?

Are you an idiot? (rhetorical question)

Maybe in USA. For the rest of the world it is an economic system.

It's a shame you cannot be reasoned with. But you apparently know Undisputable Truth. I'll leave you to it then, Mr. True Believer.

 

[Oddball]

Yeah?

You can't even defeat Afghan goat herders! And that's with the whole of NATO helping you.

WTF are you blabbering about?

About your wet dream of how the Red Army "started surrendering to the American army".

You've officially zoomed past Ravi stupid, on your break-neck pace to surpass Truthmatters stupid...

 

[Ringel05]

By defeated you mean the Soviets stopped two Japanese assaults, right? And this equates to their knowing the Japanese weren't planning and or intending another one......?

That's right! Japanese even signed this little bit of paper saying they are not going to attack.

And all that without murdering the population of two mega cities, mind you!

Oh wait a minute, I seem to recall Germany and the Soviet Union had a non-agression treaty.... a signed little piece of paper.......
Oh yeah, Japan and Russia were traditional enemies...... Uuummmmmm, Germany violated their non-aggression treaty....... Japan was allied with Germany...... Traditional enemy........ Oh yeah, I forgot, Stalin had a crystal ball and could see what was going on as it was happening. Silly me, why didn't I remember that?

Ewe are

 

[Unkotare]

Also Stalin had troops sitting on their hands in Siberia facing of against a potential Japanese attack. When Soviet spies found out the Japs had no intention of attacking Stalin moved most of those troops to Stalingrad for the encirclement, sealing the Germans fate.

Really?!

I thought "Japs had no intention of attacking" because the USSR defeated them TWICE just prior to German invasion! Apparently, Soviets did not know about it until the winter of 1942? Amazing knowledge...

Even today you can still smell the humiliation of the Russo-Japanese War all over 'people' like mememe. Sacrificing the tsar and even murdering the children in his family didn't wash away the shame, did it?


Somewhere in Siberia teams of experts are still searching for the nation's balls...

 

[Oddball]

Unlike you, I can grasp a lot of things, idjit.

 

[Ringel05]

Oh wait a minute, I seem to recall Germany and the Soviet Union had a non-agression treaty.... a signed little piece of paper.......
Oh yeah, Japan and Russia were traditional enemies...... Uuummmmmm, Germany violated their non-aggression treaty....... Japan was allied with Germany...... Traditional enemy........ Oh yeah, I forgot, Stalin had a crystal ball and could see what was going on as it was happening. Silly me, why didn't I remember that?

Oh, wait a minute, I seem to recall you insisting that the Soviet Union did not know that Japanese signed a non-aggression pact!


And now you are diverting attention to Soviet-German pact as a way to conceal your mishap.

You see, the fact that Germany will attack the Soviet Union was not a secret; and both sides knew it. The question was -- when it will happen.
Japan, on the other hand, signed the pact AFTER it was defeated. See the difference?

And no, you are not "silly". You are IGNORANT.

Are you a complete moron or is reading comprehension not one of you strong points??!!!
(Why am I asking that, of course it's true.......)

You are the one who brought it up, not me.
As for the knowledge that the Germans would attack yes, everyone knew but Stalin refused to believe it. Afterwards what makes you think Stalin would trust Japan not to violate their non-aggression pact?
I swear, calling you a moron is an insult to morons. Dayamn, no one can possibly be as willfully and blindly stupid as you are and I'm being kind.

 

[Unkotare]

Not allowed for publishing in the US for obvious reasons.

"Not allowed" and 'Nobody cares to buy it' are not the same thing, borscht for brains. In fact, that title is available on amazon.com right now. Would you like to be stupid some more, or is that enough for one day?

 

[MHunterB]

Unlike you, I can grasp a lot of things, idjit.

No fair - you shouldn't be reminding Mimi that it needs a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers to 'grasp' its mosquito-tickler to get its pinhead-size 'rocks' off..........