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The first thing to grasp from the Chart, is that as I have said for literally a decade or more, is that we pay teachers TONS of money. There is only two countries that pay more than we do. Netherlands and Canada.
This non-stop drum beat, that we need to shell out more money, is crazy.
The second thing to grasp, is that some of the lowest paid teachers, are producing the highest quality students. Finland, Estonia, Poland, all out perform US students by a wide margin, and yet are paid a fraction as much.
I wager Vietnam, and Taiwan are also paid a fraction as much, but are not on your list.
The third thing to grasp, is that most of these education systems, spend less time teaching than do our teachers.
I would suggest that it's not really because they are just so amazing, that they can teach in 4 hours, what our teachers take all day to teach.... but rather because they are not required to teach as much, other than the fundamentals.
Japan is very aggressive about sports. Especially swimming and basketball.
I doubt that. From my understanding, the elementary schools have zero sports at all. If a parent wishes their child to be part of a sports team, they must join a club, and pay for it themselves.
The elementary school in my home town, recently paid millions to have two baseball diamond built, with an electronic score board. Complete waste of money.
Japan does encourage sports in general, and I have no problem with joining a sports team either. I have no problem with people being active.
Here is what I am opposed to....
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That's not a major NFL stadium.... That's a high school. The stadium.... is bigger.... than the school.
Hello..... something is wrong. Priorities are screwed up somewhere.
$60 Million dollars for a high school sports stadium? HIGH SCHOOL? There was a school in Ohio that paid out $320,000 for an upgrade to their stadium. That's nutz, let alone millions....
This is the issue.
Now I'll tell you what.... when we cut the education system cost to the level of Japan, which is quite a bit less than how much we spend.... and when we have education outcomes similar to Japan, which are nearly double ours..... THEN you can justify to me, spending tons of money on sports.
Comparing tests from the 1800s is highly irrational. Talk about apples and oranges....
Comparing tests from the 1800s is highly irrational. Talk about apples and oranges....
Really? ......
And another thing....just look at the statistics of how much better high school athletes do in their careers than non-athletes. They do better in college, they get better jobs and they earn more and advance more in those jobs.
Comparing tests from the 1800s is highly irrational. Talk about apples and oranges....
Really? ......
Really. The first compulsory education law in the US wasn't passed until 1852 in Massachusetts. I'm going to pay you the compliment of hoping you can figure out the rest. Don't disappoint me.
Japan is very aggressive about sports. Especially swimming and basketball.
I doubt that. From my understanding, the elementary schools have zero sports at all. If a parent wishes their child to be part of a sports team, they must join a club, and pay for it themselves.
The elementary school in my home town, recently paid millions to have two baseball diamond built, with an electronic score board. Complete waste of money.
Japan does encourage sports in general, and I have no problem with joining a sports team either. I have no problem with people being active.
Here is what I am opposed to....
View attachment 73198
That's not a major NFL stadium.... That's a high school. The stadium.... is bigger.... than the school.
Hello..... something is wrong. Priorities are screwed up somewhere.
$60 Million dollars for a high school sports stadium? HIGH SCHOOL? There was a school in Ohio that paid out $320,000 for an upgrade to their stadium. That's nutz, let alone millions....
This is the issue.
Now I'll tell you what.... when we cut the education system cost to the level of Japan, which is quite a bit less than how much we spend.... and when we have education outcomes similar to Japan, which are nearly double ours..... THEN you can justify to me, spending tons of money on sports.
I doubt that a country as large as the US (320 mil) compared to Japan which is less than a 1/3 the size, and with a much more ethnically diverse population, will ever be able to produce an education system that is effective as Japan's. It's not a fair comparison.
Comparing tests from the 1800s is highly irrational. Talk about apples and oranges....
Really? ......
Really. The first compulsory education law in the US wasn't passed until 1852 in Massachusetts. I'm going to pay you the compliment of hoping you can figure out the rest. Don't disappoint me.
I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint, because I already specifically said 1890s. So that would be 40 years after......
Comparing tests from the 1800s is highly irrational. Talk about apples and oranges....
Really? ......
Really. The first compulsory education law in the US wasn't passed until 1852 in Massachusetts. I'm going to pay you the compliment of hoping you can figure out the rest. Don't disappoint me.
I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint, because I already specifically said 1890s. So that would be 40 years after......
You certainly do disappoint. Are you trying to prove your own point about poor education by using yourself as an example?
In the 1890s, compulsory education laws were not even on the books in all of the 42 states, to say nothing of universal enforcement. How do you think student enrollment then compares to today? How do the two periods compare in terms of student populations, variety of needs, courses offered, record-keeping? How do you think students with special needs were treated back then? You are basically proposing to compare the top 1% of students at Cambridge Rindge and Latin School with every student in every public school in the nation today. I didn't want to think you were this stupid, but apparently you are.
.... The test I was looking at was Kansas 1895, and Kansas had compulsory education by 1874. .....
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First, why should you need a wider variety of courses offered at 8th grade? ......
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Variety of needs... .....
..... Take Finland, and many other countries.... they don't lower standards to accommodate students. You either keep up, or you get out. They remove you. In most of these countries, if you don't pass an entrance exam to high school... you don't even go to high school.
Japan is very aggressive about sports. Especially swimming and basketball.
I doubt that. From my understanding, the elementary schools have zero sports at all. If a parent wishes their child to be part of a sports team, they must join a club, and pay for it themselves.
The elementary school in my home town, recently paid millions to have two baseball diamond built, with an electronic score board. Complete waste of money.
Japan does encourage sports in general, and I have no problem with joining a sports team either. I have no problem with people being active.
Here is what I am opposed to....
View attachment 73198
That's not a major NFL stadium.... That's a high school. The stadium.... is bigger.... than the school.
Hello..... something is wrong. Priorities are screwed up somewhere.
$60 Million dollars for a high school sports stadium? HIGH SCHOOL? There was a school in Ohio that paid out $320,000 for an upgrade to their stadium. That's nutz, let alone millions....
This is the issue.
Now I'll tell you what.... when we cut the education system cost to the level of Japan, which is quite a bit less than how much we spend.... and when we have education outcomes similar to Japan, which are nearly double ours..... THEN you can justify to me, spending tons of money on sports.
I doubt that a country as large as the US (320 mil) compared to Japan which is less than a 1/3 the size, and with a much more ethnically diverse population, will ever be able to produce an education system that is effective as Japan's. It's not a fair comparison.
Well first off, we are supposed to be a republic. Each state should be taking care of it's own education program, which would mean the largest state is only 38 Million. I think that is manageable.
Now as we move more towards being a dictatorship from Washington, then yes, I would agree. If we end up giving the Federal Government sole responsibility for nation wide education, then yeah, that won't be manageable.
Second, there are several countries that are in fact ethnically diverse, and yet have better education systems. Canada is a great example. High ethnic diversity, religious and language differences. But they score extremely high education way.
So I would disagree with you, if you mean that it isn't possible for the US to have a great education system. Because we did. I firmly believe that.
On the other hand, if you would argue that the US will not choose to have a good education system, then I agree.
The solution to education is going to be to reverse the direction of the entire system for the last 50 years. And both students, and teacher, and special interest groups, and those in government, are going to oppose it at every possible turn.
We see that in Chile right now. By any educational measurement, Chile has the best education system in all of Latin America. In fact, Chile has students come from all over Latin America to get education in Chile. And yet, the public is rioting and protesting their system. Because it works. They would rather be dumb.
And I see the same problem here in America.
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First, why should you need a wider variety of courses offered at 8th grade? ......
Because the country, the economy, and the world changes over time.
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Variety of needs... .....
Yes, we accommodate students today with a variety of physical and mental needs that would never have had access to an education in the 1800s, if they survived at all.