How many are sick and tired of Government ?

[sparky]

i for one find the world's turning far to fast for me, nothing stays the same, everything that was solid and dependable is now questionable ,scrutinized, and in jeopardy

that said, what do you folks consider conservative?

i can't hang my hat on the status quo, because they're just off their leash here, they've proven to me time and again they lack solidity, unification, or any attribute that would fit the classic definiton

 

[Charles_Main]

How many are sick and tired of Government ?

Being a Limited Government Guy, I am by Default Sick and Tired of Government. Especially at the Federal Level.

 

[The T]

How many are sick and tired of Government ?

Being a Limited Government Guy, I am by Default Sick and Tired of Government. Especially at the Federal Level.

As every American should be...but what we are confronted with here are those that have been lied to, and have failed at LIFE...and are on the DOLE at our expense. (And they cannot defend it either).

 

[Jackson]

I'm tired of partisan games and the lack of integrity. We need psychological testing for candidates!

 

[The T]

I'm tired of partisan games and the lack of integrity. We need psychological testing for candidates!

We need more Statesmen as the Founders intended. NOT Polished TURD Politicians that have made politics their life's ambition.

 

[bripat9643]

I think you should start thinking more. Anarchists, along with communists, socialists, and so on are always on the left. I think you might need to admit you're wrong here.

No so-called Leftwing "anarchist" has ever called for a cut in any government program. Their "anarchy" is always indistinguishable from Stalinism.

 

[Brutus]

Being a Leftist and an Anarchist at the same time just doesn't work.

Why do you have trouble with facts?

Most Leftists only fight for much more Government interference in your life. They're as far away from being Anarchists as you can get. I think you're you're just confused and conflicted. Less Government is the logical way forward. And that's what real Conservatism is all about. Give it a shot.

Modern day liberals are not the inheritors of liberalism. You seemed to be confused about this, while preaching the fact that Republicans are not necessarily Conservative. Has it ever occurred to you that Democrats are not liberal?

There is much overlap between anarchist liberalism and the Conservative movement started by Ron Paul. I don't deny this fact. However, this Conservative movement can largely trace its roots back to liberalism.

actually the idea of freedom and liberty from government goes back to 1792 when Jefferson formed the ultra conservative Republican Party to stand for freedom and liberty from government. Yes, even then, when the government was perhaps 1% the size it is now there was tremendous fear that liberalism or central government would grow again.

Aristotle was perhaps the first conservative Republican libertarian in history in that he believed that power came from the individual and family, from the bottom up, and did not require deadly liberal power elite ideas from a powerful central government..

 

[rightwinger]

Being a Leftist and an Anarchist at the same time just doesn't work.

Why do you have trouble with facts?

Most Leftists only fight for much more Government interference in your life. They're as far away from being Anarchists as you can get. I think you're you're just confused and conflicted. Less Government is the logical way forward. And that's what real Conservatism is all about. Give it a shot.

Modern day liberals are not the inheritors of liberalism. You seemed to be confused about this, while preaching the fact that Republicans are not necessarily Conservative. Has it ever occurred to you that Democrats are not liberal?

There is much overlap between anarchist liberalism and the Conservative movement started by Ron Paul. I don't deny this fact. However, this Conservative movement can largely trace its roots back to liberalism.

actually the idea of freedom and liberty from government goes back to 1792 when Jefferson formed the ultra conservative Republican Party to stand for freedom and liberty from government. Yes, even then, when the government was perhaps 1% the size it is now there was tremendous fear that liberalism or central government would grow again.

Aristotle was perhaps the first conservative Republican libertarian in history in that he believed that power came from the individual and family, from the bottom up, and did not require deadly liberal power elite ideas from a powerful central government..

Sorry...Jefferson was not a Republican

 

[Charles_Main]

Anarchists are conservatives, is that what you're saying? This is like saying gravity sucks you into outer space.

Makes even less to say you can be both a leftist and an Anarchist. Anarchists Desire a complete lack of government, which falls at the Extreme Far right of the spectrum. Call it Libertarianism on crack.

 

[Charles_Main]

Why do you have trouble with facts?



Modern day liberals are not the inheritors of liberalism. You seemed to be confused about this, while preaching the fact that Republicans are not necessarily Conservative. Has it ever occurred to you that Democrats are not liberal?

There is much overlap between anarchist liberalism and the Conservative movement started by Ron Paul. I don't deny this fact. However, this Conservative movement can largely trace its roots back to liberalism.

actually the idea of freedom and liberty from government goes back to 1792 when Jefferson formed the ultra conservative Republican Party to stand for freedom and liberty from government. Yes, even then, when the government was perhaps 1% the size it is now there was tremendous fear that liberalism or central government would grow again.

Aristotle was perhaps the first conservative Republican libertarian in history in that he believed that power came from the individual and family, from the bottom up, and did not require deadly liberal power elite ideas from a powerful central government..

Sorry...Jefferson was not a Republican

Uneducated Jack asses who hear Jefferson helped form the Democrat-Republican Party and think that party had anything at all to do with the Modern Parties.

To funny

 

[rdean]

I'm sick and tired of ignorant right wingers complaining about something they obviously know nothing about. And that includes just about everything.

 

[Antiderivative]

Being a Leftist and an Anarchist at the same time just doesn't work.

Why do you have trouble with facts?

Most Leftists only fight for much more Government interference in your life. They're as far away from being Anarchists as you can get. I think you're you're just confused and conflicted. Less Government is the logical way forward. And that's what real Conservatism is all about. Give it a shot.

Modern day liberals are not the inheritors of liberalism. You seemed to be confused about this, while preaching the fact that Republicans are not necessarily Conservative. Has it ever occurred to you that Democrats are not liberal?

There is much overlap between anarchist liberalism and the Conservative movement started by Ron Paul. I don't deny this fact. However, this Conservative movement can largely trace its roots back to liberalism.

actually the idea of freedom and liberty from government goes back to 1792 when Jefferson formed the ultra conservative Republican Party to stand for freedom and liberty from government. Yes, even then, when the government was perhaps 1% the size it is now there was tremendous fear that liberalism or central government would grow again.

Aristotle was perhaps the first conservative Republican libertarian in history in that he believed that power came from the individual and family, from the bottom up, and did not require deadly liberal power elite ideas from a powerful central government..

lmao...historical revisionism at its finest. Jefferson didn't form the Conservative Republican Party. He formed the The Democrat-Republican Party.

Nowadays, Cons are trying to erase Jefferson from the history books.

Jefferson was a classical liberal, not a modern day Conservative.

 

[Woyzeck]

Anarchists are conservatives, is that what you're saying? This is like saying gravity sucks you into outer space.

Makes even less to say you can be both a leftist and an Anarchist. Anarchists Desire a complete lack of government, which falls at the Extreme Far right of the spectrum. Call it Libertarianism on crack.

Libertarianism on crack? You can't be both a leftist and anarchist? Please go on and claim whatever other left-wing political persuasions you want as right-wing, it only shows how you know nothing about it. Your simplification of "conservative = moar freedoms!" is laughably generalized to the point of not making sense.

So does this make Noam Chomsky a conservative then? What about its historical ties to other left-wing politics like Socialism, Marxism etc? Or Bakunin's joining of the First International? Is anarcho-syndicalism conservative, which advocates abolishing the state and having it managed by the workers? It's pretty big on unions, if you didn't notice. Unions are so in with the right-wingers these days.

How do you intend to abolish the state and positions of authority, as well as leaders, while still upholding conservative principles? You realize from the traditional anarchist perspective Ron Paul and the deification of the Constitution and the founders are not exactly anarchist principles. Sure you have anarcho-capitalism, which is what you describe as libertarianism as crack, but this does not represent the vast majority of anarchism now or in much of its history.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

actually the idea of freedom and liberty from government goes back to 1792 when Jefferson formed the ultra conservative Republican Party to stand for freedom and liberty from government. Yes, even then, when the government was perhaps 1% the size it is now there was tremendous fear that liberalism or central government would grow again.

Aristotle was perhaps the first conservative Republican libertarian in history in that he believed that power came from the individual and family, from the bottom up, and did not require deadly liberal power elite ideas from a powerful central government..

Frankly, much of that makes no sense.

It’s fine to read about Jefferson and others from the Foundation Era to understand the historical context in which the nation was created, assuming one understands it’s the Supreme Court and its body of Constitutional case law that determines what the Constitution means, the appropriate role of government, and how the Federal government interacts with the states and the people:

NECESSARY AND PROPER CLAUSE
Scope of Incidental Powers

The Necessary and Proper Clause, sometimes called the “coefficient” or “elastic” clause, is an enlargement, not a constriction, of the powers expressly granted to Congress. Chief Justice Marshall’s classic opinion in McCulloch v. Maryland 11 set the standard in words that reverberate to this day. “Let the end be legitimate,” he wrote, “let it be within the scope of the Constitution, and all means which are appropriate, which are plainly adapted to that end, which are not prohibited, but consistent with the letter and spirit of the Constitution, are constitutional.”1730 Moreover, the provision gives Congress a share in the responsibilities lodged in other departments, by virtue of its right to enact legislation necessary to carry into execution all powers vested in the National Government. Conversely, where necessary for the efficient execution of its own powers, Congress may delegate some measure of legislative power to other departments.1731

Necessary and Proper Clause - United States Constitution

The Supremacy Clause and Federal Preemption

The preemption doctrine derives from the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution which states that the "Constitution and the laws of the United States...shall be the supreme law of the land...anything in the constitutions or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." This means of course, that any federal law--even a regulation of a federal agency--trumps any conflicting state law.

The Supremacy Clause and Federal Preemption

One is of course free to believe the Constitution means whatever he wants it to mean, or whatever he imagines the Framers’ intent, provided he understands that if that belief conflicts with settled case law, those opinions are meaningless and irrelevant.

 

[Seawytch]

No, I'm not sick and tired of Fire Departments, teachers, roads, bridges, police departments, our military, disaster relief, hunger relief, jobs programs, Parks, my right to vote, and on and on...

 

[uscitizen]

I'm not sick and tired of government. I'm sick and tired of what liberals did to the government.

It should be noted that all of these laws that take away our freedoms are pushed by the Dems.

They do not beleive in Personal Responsibility or Personal Freedom

Bullcrap. The Repubs also push for your own good laws and such.
The war on drugs? Who started that?
Who is for legalization and who is not?
.

 

[Seawytch]

I'm not sick and tired of government. I'm sick and tired of what liberals did to the government.

It should be noted that all of these laws that take away our freedoms are pushed by the Dems.

They do not beleive in Personal Responsibility or Personal Freedom

Bullcrap. The Repubs also push for your own good laws and such.
The war on drugs? Who started that?
Who is for legalization and who is not?
.

How about those Blue Law States. Wanna bet most of them aren't "liberal" states...

 

[uscitizen]

It should be noted that all of these laws that take away our freedoms are pushed by the Dems.

They do not beleive in Personal Responsibility or Personal Freedom

Bullcrap. The Repubs also push for your own good laws and such.
The war on drugs? Who started that?
Who is for legalization and who is not?
.

How about those Blue Law States. Wanna bet most of them aren't "liberal" states...

We still have lots of dry counties and such in KY. A red state, they went McCain/Palin last time and Bush the two times before that.
And virtually no booze sold on sundays.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I'm sick and tired of ignorant right wingers complaining about something they obviously know nothing about. And that includes just about everything.

but your not tired of ignorant Left Wingers who do the same thing......otherwise you would have mentioned them too.....

 

[peach174]

How many of you are just as sick and tired of Government telling us what we can and can not do?

Why does the left keep wanting more and more government, more and more money?
Aren't they just as sick of being told what to do and what not to do?
Why do they keep voting for politicians who want to run our lives? It's in both parties,but more so it the Democratic party.
I'm sick of government telling us;

What we can and can not eat.
What we can and can not drive.
What can and can and can not say.
What kind of light bulbs to use.
How we can and can not worship.
What we can and can not put in our yards.
Where we can an can not fly the American Flag
How we can and can not raise our children
Paying Government for permits for our children to sell lemonade and cookies.
What jobs we can and can not have.

Aren't You ?

The thread title is such a cocktease. You aren't anarchist at all.

Never said that I was. Sorry, wanting my freedom back from an overbearing, (getting very close to a totalitarian) government is not being a terrorist.
Let's see here, it is OK for the left to advocate their own freedom's but when a conservative does it it's anarchy?
I don't think so.
When you have one party that passes a Health Care Bill against the majority of the people that did not want it,that is totalitarianism. That is why Dem's lost so many seats last year.