How many air strikes against ISIS?

[TooTall]

done ...

The Navy announced on Monday the deployment of the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier and its strike group to the Middle East. The Truman will join the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle in the Persian Gulf area and will assist in the war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).Nov 16, 2015

The de Gaulle had replaced the Roosevelt. Of course. the haters here are ignoring the fact that there are air bases in Turkey and even Iraq that are participating in air strikes.

How many sorties have been flown off of the de Gaulle? How many do you think could be flown off of any US Carrier? You may note that I said could, not would, since Obama won't even send a CAG back to the region.

A CAG should arrive shortly. The Harry S. Truman is close. They just visited Croatia.

Outstanding! Apparently there is no urgency to engage ISIS since a 4 day stay for political reasons in Croatia took precedence over attacking ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Maybe after a few more stops they can launch a few sorties to help contain ISIS. Then again, maybe not.

The air campaign is not reliant on carrier-based aircraft. I thought you said you were an Air Force vet. Are you not familiar with the AF Bases used in that AO?

Of course I am, but the question is how effective are these strikes and why aren't we using Naval air? This is what was testified too in July this year:

7:58 a.m. EDT July 8, 2015

U.S. aircraft are coming back from most combat missions in Iraq without dropping any bombs, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Martin Dempsey said Tuesday.

"At a similar period in the Afghanistan conflict in 2012, the number of aircraft that returned with their ordnance because there were not targets available on the ground was 83 percent," Dempsey told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "It's 65 percent in Iraq right now."

Most combat sorties in Iraq end without striking ISIS

 

[Siete]

As of October:

Putin: 15

America: 13,781

that must explain why 90% of the jets come home still loaded ... nothing left to hit and destroy, why waste million dollar bombs?

 

[g5000]

As of October:

Putin: 15

America: 13,781

that must explain why 90% of the jets come home still loaded ... nothing left to hit and destroy, why waste million dollar bombs?

Another reason is that some targets are not bombed unless a high value ISISBOOMBAH person is on the spot.

If intelligence comes in the high value person has left the area, the target is saved for another day.

After the Paris attack, we gave France a few targets we had been saving so they could let off some steam, even though there were probably no high value people on site.

 

[TooTall]

The US has been averaging two sorties an hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, for the past 16 months against ISISBOOMBAH.

Putin? He's a weak, limp dick bit player.

I hate to admit it, but the US appears to be the weak, limp dick bit player. The difference is the US has restrictive rules of engagement to protect civilians and Putin's pilots don't. In previous wars there were no 'innocent' civilians since they all supported the troops that were fighting us. In this war it appears to be different. The problem is ISIS hides in the civilian areas of the cities and towns and boots on the ground are the only thing that can defeat them other than adopting Putin's kill 'em all.

7:58 a.m. EDT July 8, 2015

U.S. aircraft are coming back from most combat missions in Iraq without dropping any bombs, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Martin Dempsey said Tuesday.

"At a similar period in the Afghanistan conflict in 2012, the number of aircraft that returned with their ordnance because there were not targets available on the ground was 83 percent," Dempsey told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "It's 65 percent in Iraq right now."

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/capitol-hill/2015/07/07/martin-dempsey-testifies-isis-stratehas rgy/29827593/

 

[Camp]

As of October:

Putin: 15

America: 13,781

that must explain why 90% of the jets come home still loaded ... nothing left to hit and destroy, why waste million dollar bombs?

A convoy of vehicles may be spotted parked at a building or designated point. When the aircraft carrying $200,000 precision-guided bombs shows up and discovers the target has moved, changed, no longer exist, the RW'ers here want to drop the quarter million dollar bombs on the empty building or patch of desert.

 

[westwall]

The right likes to attack their own country with lies about what the military and the president has done to fight ISIS. RWNJs whined when the US killed a terrorist and his son because they were citizens. RWNJs have even lied about Obama's killing of Osama bin Laden. RWNJs have lied about what our military said and did.

Pooting has recently said he is finally getting into this. So far, just like Duh Donuld, he hasn't done much but posture, brag and strut. How long do you Pootarians think it will take him to catch up with Obama? Or, since you'll just lie about it anyway, does that matter to you?

Is there even one RWNJ posting here who has the courage to admit their own country, led by their own president, has done more than any other country? I doubt it.

How many air strikes have been launched against Isis so far?

Did you bother to post the ROE and the fact that almost 90% of the sorties return with their ordnance intact? That means they were on a nice sightseeing trip but there was no true sortie.

no he didn't ... but it would be real nice if you posted credible evidence to back up your statement ... ya know ?

I was wrong. It is only 75% that return to base without dropping. Still tells you how stupid the ROE are.


“It’s insane. Seventy-five percent of those combat missions return to base without dropping a weapon,” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said on Tuesday. “The air campaign is totally ineffectual.”

Military officials acknowledge the 75 percent figure but say it’s comparable to past campaigns.


US aim for ‘zero civilian casualties’ draws criticism

 

[TooTall]

There is no RW lie that the US isn't doing anything. The effectiveness of the small effort is what is being questioned.

Here is what you said in a topic called: Putin: Obama 'weak', Maybe I'll Defeat Isis....

Putin is a thug, but he sure has got it right about Obama.

You dumbasses thought Putin was showing up Obama. BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

How many Russian aircraft come back without dropping their bombs?

 

[g5000]

The US has been averaging two sorties an hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, for the past 16 months against ISISBOOMBAH.

Putin? He's a weak, limp dick bit player.

I hate to admit it, but the US appears to be the weak, limp dick bit player. The difference is the US has restrictive rules of engagement to protect civilians and Putin's pilots don't.

Ah, so we are weak because we don't approve the wholesale slaughter of innocents.

In previous wars there were no 'innocent' civilians since they all supported the troops that were fighting us.

In this case, the civilian population is being held hostage and against their will.

See: Auditing ISIS | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


80 percent of Putin's strikes are not against ISISBOOMBAH, by the way. He is there to preserve Assad, not take out ISIS.

 

[westwall]

As of October:

Putin: 15

America: 13,781

that must explain why 90% of the jets come home still loaded ... nothing left to hit and destroy, why waste million dollar bombs?

A convoy of vehicles may be spotted parked at a building or designated point. When the aircraft carrying $200,000 precision-guided bombs shows up and discovers the target has moved, changed, no longer exist, the RW'ers here want to drop the quarter million dollar bombs on the empty building or patch of desert.

No, we want the pilots to be able to drop the ordnance on the convoy even though it has moved. Currently they aren't allowed to.

 

[g5000]

As of October:

Putin: 15

America: 13,781

that must explain why 90% of the jets come home still loaded ... nothing left to hit and destroy, why waste million dollar bombs?

A convoy of vehicles may be spotted parked at a building or designated point. When the aircraft carrying $200,000 precision-guided bombs shows up and discovers the target has moved, changed, no longer exist, the RW'ers here want to drop the quarter million dollar bombs on the empty building or patch of desert.

No, we want the pilots to be able to drop the ordnance on the convoy even though it has moved. Currently they aren't allowed to.

If the location of the convoy is known, our pilots are not stopped from bombing them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/middleeast/us-strikes-syria-oil.html?_r=0

US A-10 Attack Planes Hit ISIS Oil Convoy to Crimp Terror Funding | Military.com

 

[TooTall]

As of October:

Putin: 15

America: 13,781

that must explain why 90% of the jets come home still loaded ... nothing left to hit and destroy, why waste million dollar bombs?

A convoy of vehicles may be spotted parked at a building or designated point. When the aircraft carrying $200,000 precision-guided bombs shows up and discovers the target has moved, changed, no longer exist, the RW'ers here want to drop the quarter million dollar bombs on the empty building or patch of desert.

If we had Special Ops in country they could direct the Aircraft to the target ans laze it for a hit.

 

[g5000]

As of October:

Putin: 15

America: 13,781

that must explain why 90% of the jets come home still loaded ... nothing left to hit and destroy, why waste million dollar bombs?

A convoy of vehicles may be spotted parked at a building or designated point. When the aircraft carrying $200,000 precision-guided bombs shows up and discovers the target has moved, changed, no longer exist, the RW'ers here want to drop the quarter million dollar bombs on the empty building or patch of desert.

If we had Special Ops in country they could direct the Aircraft to the target ans laze it for a hit.

The aircraft have their own laser designators now.

 

[Camp]

As of October:

Putin: 15

America: 13,781

that must explain why 90% of the jets come home still loaded ... nothing left to hit and destroy, why waste million dollar bombs?

A convoy of vehicles may be spotted parked at a building or designated point. When the aircraft carrying $200,000 precision-guided bombs shows up and discovers the target has moved, changed, no longer exist, the RW'ers here want to drop the quarter million dollar bombs on the empty building or patch of desert.

If we had Special Ops in country they could direct the Aircraft to the target ans laze it for a hit.

More are showing up every day and A-10's are going out on search and strike missions to destroy targets of opportunity. Lots of added risk for both missions and a beheaded or burned alive American pilot is only a question of time if we keep demanding the pilots push the envelope to meet the public demand for instant gratification.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The right likes to attack their own country with lies about what the military and the president has done to fight ISIS. RWNJs whined when the US killed a terrorist and his son because they were citizens. RWNJs have even lied about Obama's killing of Osama bin Laden. RWNJs have lied about what our military said and did.

Pooting has recently said he is finally getting into this. So far, just like Duh Donuld, he hasn't done much but posture, brag and strut. How long do you Pootarians think it will take him to catch up with Obama? Or, since you'll just lie about it anyway, does that matter to you?

Is there even one RWNJ posting here who has the courage to admit their own country, led by their own president, has done more than any other country? I doubt it.

How many air strikes have been launched against Isis so far?

Subtract 80% from airstrikes for those "strikes" which returned with their payloads.

Delta says 75%. westwall says almost 90% and both say we should subtract those that return without cropping their payloads (on innocent civilians).

You're both wrong and about both points.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

The right likes to attack their own country with lies about what the military and the president has done to fight ISIS. RWNJs whined when the US killed a terrorist and his son because they were citizens. RWNJs have even lied about Obama's killing of Osama bin Laden. RWNJs have lied about what our military said and did.

Pooting has recently said he is finally getting into this. So far, just like Duh Donuld, he hasn't done much but posture, brag and strut. How long do you Pootarians think it will take him to catch up with Obama? Or, since you'll just lie about it anyway, does that matter to you?

Is there even one RWNJ posting here who has the courage to admit their own country, led by their own president, has done more than any other country? I doubt it.

How many air strikes have been launched against Isis so far?

Subtract 80% from airstrikes for those "strikes" which returned with their payloads.

Delta says 75%. westwall says 80% and both say we should subtract those that return without cropping their payloads (on innocent civilians).

You're both wrong and about both points.

If in close proximity to ISIS personnel and operations you're not an innocent anything.

 

[g5000]

I've operated under ROE in combat, and if those ROE were not in place, it would not have made things any better for us, but it would have resulted in even more civilian deaths.

Does ROE make some situations more tense? Yes. Sometimes a lot more tense. But that's not a bad thing. If we had unleashed on everything that moved, we would have made an even bigger mess of things. I can personally say there are innocent civilians alive today who would not be if we had acted on our impulses instead of obeying the rules of engagement.

There were times when our CO was having to wait for some disphit back stateside to come to a decision, but we had to rely on them having more information at their disposal than we did. A bigger picture, as it were.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

One B-2 strike shoulda wiped them out. Either we can't hit the ground without benefit of gravity, they're much larger than we've been led to believe, or something else is going on.

Swear to GOd, am a;most ready to redirect the bombers to Pennslyvania Ave. New target...

Sounds like you're one of the ignorant RWNJs who thinks all of ISIL is huddled together in a one block area.

 

[OKTexas]

America is running out of bombs to drop on ISIS as an official says 'missiles aren't being made fast enough and there's waiting lists for them'

• Officials say the US is running out of bombs to fight against ISIS with
• Air Force chief of staff Gen. Mark Welsh said the Air Force is now 'expending munitions faster than we can replenish them'
• An official said that the bombing campaign against ISIS has left the US Air Force with munitions depot stocks 'below the desired objective'
• Increasing the stock could take 'up to four years from time of expenditure to asset resupply'
• State Department official said: 'There are essentially waiting lists for Hellfire. They can't make them fast enough'

Read more: America is running out of bombs to drop on ISIS
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Funny, seems I posted a similar link yesterday in your other dumbass thread.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

One B-2 strike shoulda wiped them out. Either we can't hit the ground without benefit of gravity, they're much larger than we've been led to believe, or something else is going on.

Swear to GOd, am a;most ready to redirect the bombers to Pennslyvania Ave. New target...

Sounds like you're one of the ignorant RWNJs who thinks all of ISIL is huddled together in a one block area.

Your pacifism is a credit to you in peacetime, but is going to get people killed in wartime. Butch up or shut up. Sometimes people need killing. And anyone in close proximity is not a mother pushing her baby around in a stroller but someone aiding bad people doing bad things. If you don't have the stomach for battle, that's fine, but people who understand sometimes doing fucked up things is necessary to affect a greater good have the floor right now. When this problem is resolved you'll have the floor and can condemn us for what we did that enabled you to go on to complain about it later.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The right likes to attack their own country with lies about what the military and the president has done to fight ISIS. RWNJs whined when the US killed a terrorist and his son because they were citizens. RWNJs have even lied about Obama's killing of Osama bin Laden. RWNJs have lied about what our military said and did.

Pooting has recently said he is finally getting into this. So far, just like Duh Donuld, he hasn't done much but posture, brag and strut. How long do you Pootarians think it will take him to catch up with Obama? Or, since you'll just lie about it anyway, does that matter to you?

Is there even one RWNJ posting here who has the courage to admit their own country, led by their own president, has done more than any other country? I doubt it.

How many air strikes have been launched against Isis so far?

Subtract 80% from airstrikes for those "strikes" which returned with their payloads.

Delta says 75%. westwall says 80% and both say we should subtract those that return without cropping their payloads (on innocent civilians).

You're both wrong and about both points.

If in close proximity to ISIS personnel and operations you're not an innocent anything.

That's like saying that if I'm standing next to you, I'm a sexual deviant and RWNJ.

RWNJs side against the victims of ISIL.

You want to attack and kill the very people who are victimized by ISIL while arming known and suspected terrorists.

No worries though. Your boy Drumpf has a plan. He says we should just ASK them.