How is Barak Obama "far left"?

Proof?

This isn't a logic problem - there's no "proof" of anything involved. I can give evidence though.

We're still in Iraq.
Obama doesn't support same-sex marriage.
Obama doesn't support single-payer or nationalized healthcare.
Obama hasn't taken anyone's guns.

Also (I wouldn't consider these things to be "far left", but still the rhetoric comes)

Obama isn't trying to institute Sharia law.
Conservatives aren't being rounded up in FEMA camps.

There's plenty more evidence, if you'd like I could continue.

Now, do you have any evidence that he is "far left"
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So, according to your post, somebody that supports single-payer or nationalized health care would be far left.
Since that is your standard, here is your proof. Now shut up.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE]YouTube - Obama on single payer health insurance[/ame]

No, supporting single-payr healthcare is not a "far left" litmus test. And posting a video of him on the campaign trail for senate, talking to the AFL-CIO isn't proof of his support any more than this video is proof of his non-support.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPLb-HVcM&feature=related]YouTube - Barack Obama and single payer health care[/ame]

But all that doesn't matter - you should know well enough that it's not what a politician says - it's what they do. So please, feel free to share some "far left" things that Obama has DONE, not said 6 years ago to a crowd of union organizers.

Wow, you just changed your own standard.
I can see that debating you is a waste of time, as you will just say something, then as soon as you are shown to be the idiot that you are (and proven wrong), you will instantly claim something else. They were your words, your standard, not mine. Are you this stupid in real life?
 

Misleading clips with no full context. Get something a little better. Obama only supported Single payer because that's what would get him votes. The sooner you see that he's more like Nixon in doing whatever it takes to stay popular, the faster you'll be up to speed.

Obama is willing to offer up single payer as a lamb to the Republicans who won't stop there. The bill is going to be cut down until it is no longer going to do anything. Politics as usual.
 
So, according to your post, somebody that supports single-payer or nationalized health care would be far left.
Since that is your standard, here is your proof. Now shut up.
YouTube - Obama on single payer health insurance

No, supporting single-payr healthcare is not a "far left" litmus test. And posting a video of him on the campaign trail for senate, talking to the AFL-CIO isn't proof of his support any more than this video is proof of his non-support.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPLb-HVcM&feature=related]YouTube - Barack Obama and single payer health care[/ame]

But all that doesn't matter - you should know well enough that it's not what a politician says - it's what they do. So please, feel free to share some "far left" things that Obama has DONE, not said 6 years ago to a crowd of union organizers.

Wow, you just changed your own standard.
I can see that debating you is a waste of time, as you will just say something, then as soon as you are shown to be the idiot that you are (and proven wrong), you will instantly claim something else. They were your words, your standard, not mine. Are you this stupid in real life?

No, my friend. I said it as an example - you're the one who made it a standard. Please refer me to any point where I said anything about it being a "standard". Or, refuse to, and continue with childish name-calling and personal attacks. Did they teach you that in Debate club?
 
No, supporting single-payr healthcare is not a "far left" litmus test. And posting a video of him on the campaign trail for senate, talking to the AFL-CIO isn't proof of his support any more than this video is proof of his non-support.
YouTube - Barack Obama and single payer health care

But all that doesn't matter - you should know well enough that it's not what a politician says - it's what they do. So please, feel free to share some "far left" things that Obama has DONE, not said 6 years ago to a crowd of union organizers.

Wow, you just changed your own standard.
I can see that debating you is a waste of time, as you will just say something, then as soon as you are shown to be the idiot that you are (and proven wrong), you will instantly claim something else. They were your words, your standard, not mine. Are you this stupid in real life?

No, my friend. I said it as an example - you're the one who made it a standard. Please refer me to any point where I said anything about it being a "standard". Or, refuse to, and continue with childish name-calling and personal attacks. Did they teach you that in Debate club?
Exactly, that was your example of "far left", I proved your own example of your standard to be true.
It's not name calling when it's a fact.
I apologize for for hurting your feelings by pointing out the fact that you are stupid.
 
Wow, you just changed your own standard.
I can see that debating you is a waste of time, as you will just say something, then as soon as you are shown to be the idiot that you are (and proven wrong), you will instantly claim something else. They were your words, your standard, not mine. Are you this stupid in real life?

No, my friend. I said it as an example - you're the one who made it a standard. Please refer me to any point where I said anything about it being a "standard". Or, refuse to, and continue with childish name-calling and personal attacks. Did they teach you that in Debate club?
Exactly, that was your example of "far left", I proved your own example of your standard to be true.
It's not name calling when it's a fact.
I apologize for for hurting your feelings by pointing out the fact that you are stupid.

Quite the internet tough guy, aren't you?

As one example, out of many. And still, you're avoiding my real question. Is there single-payer healthcare in this country? Is Obama pushing single payer?

What has Obama DONE that is far left?
 
Obama doesn't support single-payer or nationalized healthcare.


He doesnt'? He just said he does, he said in your video he does. And now suddenly he doesn't? Now suddenly that was just campaign spewage? Bullshit. Do you really think one day we won't have single payer and the next day we will? Did you even bother to watch the entire video I posted? Patience, grasshopper. Frank is saying exactly why the Dems are pushing so hard for the public option. It's their foot in the door, it's what will lead to single payer.

You asked for proof and it was provided and now you change your mind on it. Typical.
 
Far left.

Obama wants to help middle class America.

Obama wants to rebuild America's infrastructure.

Oboma wants affordable health care for all Americans.

Obama honors the dead soldiers arriving at Dover.

Obama believes education helps America.

Obama believes in diplomacy over war.

All of these are "evidence" that Obama is far left.
I can't put reputed wants and beliefs in my fuel tank.

He walks like a socialist, quacks like a socialist, swims with a whole paddling of socialists...He's a socialist.
 
No, my friend. I said it as an example - you're the one who made it a standard. Please refer me to any point where I said anything about it being a "standard". Or, refuse to, and continue with childish name-calling and personal attacks. Did they teach you that in Debate club?
Exactly, that was your example of "far left", I proved your own example of your standard to be true.
It's not name calling when it's a fact.
I apologize for for hurting your feelings by pointing out the fact that you are stupid.

Quite the internet tough guy, aren't you?

As one example, out of many. And still, you're avoiding my real question. Is there single-payer healthcare in this country? Is Obama pushing single payer?

What has Obama DONE that is far left?

I didn't avoid the question. I provided proof according to your own standard and words.
Just because he hasn't accomplished it yet doesn't mean his far left position doesn't exist (and that would be "far left" according to your example of "far left").
Keep talking, you are just making yourself look more stupid.
 
Obama doesn't support single-payer or nationalized healthcare.


He doesnt'? He just said he does, he said in your video he does. And now suddenly he doesn't? Now suddenly that was just campaign spewage? Bullshit. Do you really think one day we won't have single payer and the next day we will? Did you even bother to watch the entire video I posted? Patience, grasshopper. Frank is saying exactly why the Dems are pushing so hard for the public option. It's their foot in the door, it's what will lead to single payer.

You asked for proof and it was provided and now you change your mind on it. Typical.
Ever notice how in a football game the goalposts never get moved? That makes the game fair.
Seems theDoctorisIn likes to try and move the goalposts as soon as he starts getting his ass whupped.
 
Obama would like to do things his posse in congress are cowardly .
Proof he is left wing?
His support for the War in Afghanistan ," the right war" before the election now, when it comes time to fight it, yank the rug out from under the troops just like a liberal.
 
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:lol: I forgot about that.

Exactly and it's true. :lol:

My point is that since his beginning in Ill, Obama's positions have been whatever gets him elected. I'm a Liberal and I'm disgusted with the guy. Why? Because he's not done any of the Liberal things he's promised. And I realize now that Obama is seemingly not a Liberal. As I've stated before, he's very much like Nixon in doing whatever will keep him popular (see: Single Payer)

It's why I laugh when Republicans are afraid of Single-Payer Health Care, it's not going to happen. Obama is going to throw the baby with the bathwater in order to appease Republicans on this. He badly wants a "partisan" bill. Except the majority of Republicans don't want any sort of reforms and neither do a great amount of Democrats. Not when they're all being paid off to the tune of $1 trillion from the Health Lobby over the last ten years. The only reason the Democrats are trying to do anything is because they're in charge. Republicans didn't do shit when they were in charge if you recall, in fact, considering the vast amount of problems we have now, they didn't do shit in general. I'm disgusted with this two party system in general and have been for quite awhile. I had "hope" in Obama, I have to admit, but that hope has seemingly faded.

Or td;lr: Politics as usual, no grand conspiracy involved.
 
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Speaking of which, I feel this quote is fitting for today's politics:

"In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.”

- Lewis Black
 
Oh bullshit. Nazism gained power because they CLAIMED to have right-wing ideals, but they didn't. Hitler's Nazis were just a bunch of thugs that said what they thought would catapault them to power the quickest.

Then they said "fuck you" killed off millions of people they didn't like, including a bunch of their own, and tried to take over the world.
 

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