How does envy and hate towards "rich" people..

[NYcarbineer]

"Conservatives believe that the nation is better off if that wealth is distributed in a way that concentrates large amounts in the hands of a (relative) few."

Of course, the statement is that of a grade-school drop-out.

Conservative don't believe in 'distributing' wealth, and certainly don't imagine some Utopian government in which there exists some mechanism that can distribute goods and services to ascertain the ethereal 'equality.' The only such mechanism is, and must be, the totalitarian state....

Which simply means that conservatives want the government to stay out of the economic system, and when the government is out of an economic system, the natural forces of capitalism will over time concentrate more and more wealth, and with it power, in the hands of a few.

You've supported my assertion, unintentionally, I'm sure.

You don't have a clue as to what I said.

As expected.

Explaining to you?…as useless as trying to blow out a lightbulb.

You apparently don't know the meaning(s) and usage(s) of the word distribution.

Name a conservative economic policy that narrows the gap between rich and poor.

 

[ilia25]

1. "The issue is that inequality...."

No it isn't.


What someone else earns is none of your darn business.

Yes it is, as long as we have income taxes.



When I find it -- till then I have to rely on household census data, that shows inequality rising rapidly in the past 30 years.



That is a total BS, and you know it. A janitor can work himself do death 24/7, and he still will be making hundreds times less than a CEO. The kind of services you offer matters.



And what will happen if a few skilled workers begin to earn 99.9999% of nations income -- because the free market values their services that much? I'm not saying this will ever happen, but we are going that way in the past 30 years.



The definition of productivity is the value the market puts on one's services. If your services are in demand, then your productivity is high and you earn a lot of money -- but it does not mean you are working harder than everyone else. It means you were lucky to be born with that particular talent.



It does not explain why the incomes of the top 1% were growing 40 times faster than in the middle.



That is the problem -- we should reward the hard work, not so much the talent one had born with, or his/her luck. Simply because we can't all become CEOs! Even if we all can master the skills -- someone has to vacuum floors.

4. But...if you want to fight 'inequality,' here's some:
The top 1% earn 17% of the money.... but pay 38% of the taxes.....
How come you're not incensed over that????

Because it is not enough -- top earners have to pay about 70% in income taxes, so low income earners can pay less. Because we only need enough inequality to keep people motivated.

…lush analytical framework…smashing crescendo…again, a fanatic’s ideology trumps his intellect…

…countered these mountains of hard facts with a big helping of the usual supercilious babble. …a mountain of unassailable empirical data…having the usual result with a Liberal.


Let's be honest, for a Liberal not data, facts, proof, or even experience will matter not a bit in informing belief.
You have performed the functions for which you were made:

a. you've ignored facts

b. you've ignored logic

c. you've personified what passes for thinking in a Liberal

d. and, best of all, you have opened the door for me to provide the facts and data that the 80-90% of readers of a thread will have a chance to mull over.


You're dismissed.

I could not care less. I was not arguing with you, but with the right wing lies you've posted here.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes it is, as long as we have income taxes.



When I find it -- till then I have to rely on household census data, that shows inequality rising rapidly in the past 30 years.



That is a total BS, and you know it. A janitor can work himself do death 24/7, and he still will be making hundreds times less than a CEO. The kind of services you offer matters.



And what will happen if a few skilled workers begin to earn 99.9999% of nations income -- because the free market values their services that much? I'm not saying this will ever happen, but we are going that way in the past 30 years.



The definition of productivity is the value the market puts on one's services. If your services are in demand, then your productivity is high and you earn a lot of money -- but it does not mean you are working harder than everyone else. It means you were lucky to be born with that particular talent.



It does not explain why the incomes of the top 1% were growing 40 times faster than in the middle.



That is the problem -- we should reward the hard work, not so much the talent one had born with, or his/her luck. Simply because we can't all become CEOs! Even if we all can master the skills -- someone has to vacuum floors.



Because it is not enough -- top earners have to pay about 70% in income taxes, so low income earners can pay less. Because we only need enough inequality to keep people motivated.

…lush analytical framework…smashing crescendo…again, a fanatic’s ideology trumps his intellect…

…countered these mountains of hard facts with a big helping of the usual supercilious babble. …a mountain of unassailable empirical data…having the usual result with a Liberal.


Let's be honest, for a Liberal not data, facts, proof, or even experience will matter not a bit in informing belief.
You have performed the functions for which you were made:

a. you've ignored facts

b. you've ignored logic

c. you've personified what passes for thinking in a Liberal

d. and, best of all, you have opened the door for me to provide the facts and data that the 80-90% of readers of a thread will have a chance to mull over.


You're dismissed.

I could not care less. I was not arguing with you, but with the right wing lies you've posted here.

I never lie.
You simply deny.....the truth.

You are mislead. Not the sign of a strong mind.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Which simply means that conservatives want the government to stay out of the economic system, and when the government is out of an economic system, the natural forces of capitalism will over time concentrate more and more wealth, and with it power, in the hands of a few.

You've supported my assertion, unintentionally, I'm sure.

You don't have a clue as to what I said.

As expected.

Explaining to you?…as useless as trying to blow out a lightbulb.

You apparently don't know the meaning(s) and usage(s) of the word distribution.

Name a conservative economic policy that narrows the gap between rich and poor.

Here is one of those phrases what is important to those on my side of the argument, yet meaningless to you and yours...

....you are a dishonest fellow.

 

[zeke]

Name a conservative economic policy that narrows the gap between rich and poor.

LMAO. What time does hell freeze over?

 

[Seawytch]

Who is hating on the rich?

Jesus...

Luke 12:15 — “Then he said to them, ‘Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.’ ”

Mark 12:43-44 — “Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, ‘I tell you the truth, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.’ ”

Luke 6:24 — “But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.”
Matthew 25:34-40 — “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ ”

Mark 10:21 — “Jesus looked at him and loved him. ‘One thing you lack,’ he said. ‘Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.’ ”

Matthew 6:19-21 — “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” [cf. Luke 12:34]

Luke 14:33 — “In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.”

 

[NYcarbineer]

You don't have a clue as to what I said.

As expected.

Explaining to you?…as useless as trying to blow out a lightbulb.

You apparently don't know the meaning(s) and usage(s) of the word distribution.

Name a conservative economic policy that narrows the gap between rich and poor.

Here is one of those phrases what is important to those on my side of the argument, yet meaningless to you and yours...

....you are a dishonest fellow.

Can't you name a single conservative policy that narrows the gap between rich and poor?

I can name lots of them that widen the gap between rich and poor.

If there are no conservative policies that narrow the gap between rich and poor, and many that widen it,

that confirms my original assertion, that conservatives desire to concentrate wealth in the hands of a relative few.

Take as an example:

Romney (and Ryan with his budget plan) want to give a huge tax cut to upper income Americans, thus increasing their wealth.

He wants to cut Medicaid and foodstamps, which of course go to lower income Americans, thus decreasing their wealth.

Simple math - making the rich richer, making the poor poorer, concentrating more and more wealth in the hands of the few at the top of the income ladder.

And with the concentration of wealth comes the concentration of power, which of course means more power to further shift wealth upwards in the next round.

 

[Katzndogz]

When being poor hurts enough, perhaps the poor people will get off their asses and not be so poor.

Naturally if someone makes being poor their career path, they want to be paid more the poorer they can make themselves.

 

[NYcarbineer]

When being poor hurts enough, perhaps the poor people will get off their asses and not be so poor.

Naturally if someone makes being poor their career path, they want to be paid more the poorer they can make themselves.

You know, I've pointed that out as being the conservative philosophy about poverty, i.e., that conservatives don't want to alleviate the pain of poverty, that conservatives believe that the poor must suffer their poverty in its full force,

as part of the 'free market' ideology.

Generally cons howl in protest over hearing that from me. Nice to see you tell us the truth about what you people really believe.

 

[NYcarbineer]

When being poor hurts enough, perhaps the poor people will get off their asses and not be so poor.

Naturally if someone makes being poor their career path, they want to be paid more the poorer they can make themselves.

That's why there's no poverty in Africa.

 

[NYcarbineer]

FOOD STAMPS HELPED REDUCE THE POVERTY RATE

"A new study by the Agriculture Department has found that food stamps, one of the country’s largest social safety net programs, reduced the poverty rate substantially during the recent recession. The food stamp program, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, reduced the poverty rate by nearly 8 percent in 2009, the most recent year included in the study, a significant impact for a social program whose effects often go unnoticed by policy makers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html

And what is the Republican plan for the food stamp program? They want to cut it, of course.

Republicans want to cut a program that indisputably lifts needy people out of poverty; Republicans want to change that program to put those people BACK INTO POVERTY.

And the GOP savings? Where does that go? To tax cuts for people like Mitt Romney.


Again, who wants to argue that conservatives DON"T want to make the rich richer and the poor poorer?

 

[zeke]

The top 1% earn 17% of the money.... but pay 38% of the taxes.....
How come you're not incensed over that????

I am incensed over that. Do you have any idea how much of rthe nations income this group must have to pay 38% of the taxes? Do they really need that much income?


However, at these kinds of income levels, it is not about needs or how much can they spend. It is about the power and influence that money buys.

 

[Katzndogz]

EBT cards have been used in casinos, strip clubs and cruise ships. Obviously they are not helping the people they were intended to help.

When I lived in Nevada, a governent worker came to our apartment complex to sign everyone up for benefits. Everyone. Need was not questioned. The goal was to increase the number of recipients for statistical purposes, so obama would look like he was doing something instead of giving people money to go to the casinos.