How does anyone support this man...

[Vintij]

hmm...Let me give you a little insight, as I am related to a former member of the Secret Service. According to my Uncle, the Agents would have informed the President of what was happening. They would have advised the President to hold his position, as they are going to clear the area...IE...The school, and the exit route. You don't grab the President up and shuffle him off unless there was an immediate danger to himself. Like you said...There were little kids present. Don't you think that would have scared the hell out of them? Doesn't matter what I say. As what I said is probably what happend according to someone who actually did the job....Na...You'll just go with your own ignorant beliefs because that's what you heard Michael Moore say. Yeah...He really knows a thing or two. From my experience there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes, that we, and the press never learn about till years, or decades later. Don't tell me you truly think you know everything that goes on in the government, and overseas. If you do, then please tell me what my house looks like.

? You make absolutely no sense. Im not psychic, i just knew where he was going to be that day, before we were under attack. Which means, Terrorists
could have known. Why should i know whats in your house again? Is this a paranormal thread?

 

[Dr Grump]

Whoever is repping me I want it to STOP NOW !!!!! I was like -300 and now I am in the positive WTF !!!!! I worked long and hard for those negative comments. Please whoever is repping me please stop. I want to see how low I can go. Most of you would be shocked to find out some of my prior names on this board.

That deserves some positive rep!

 

[wiggles]

I think not since the vid has two Dems then George who is the Republican.


Let me slant this the other way a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OcVEvG4L9Y

I don't see how Reagan was considered a great orator, particularly based on this clip. All he's doing is reading from the podium and looking up once in a while to throw in some well-rehearsed head-wags. He doesn't engage enough to make you forget he's reading a prewritten speech.
It's a very well-written piece, but Reagan didn't write it.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I know everyone who talks in front of the camera makes mistakes now and then but I mean cmon, is there any president in history who has more examples of being an idiot than George W Bush. I just dont get how anyone can support this man. Partisanship aside, its obvious this guy has a screw loose. How did he even graduate college? I wonder.

Enjoy this link..I think it proves my point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa3J-L29iT8

Your point cant be proven, cuz its wrong.

C'mon, even the most bane idiots know that many a great statesman were not good public speakers. If you or I were in a national audience, we would fumble our words so bad you would mistake us for stutterers.

You are just another one of the idiotic Bush haters, you guys are such lemmings, you dont even know why you hate him.

I was playing baseball the other day when a guy started saying how Pres Bush is such a lousy businessman, that he had five failed businesses, blah, blah, blah, I asked him to name ONE of those businesses, and the loud mouthed arrogant STUPID Bush hating liberal started stuttering all over the place.

I dont know, I still have hope that someday you guys will post something with some substance.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Whoever is repping me I want it to STOP NOW !!!!! I was like -300 and now I am in the positive WTF !!!!! I worked long and hard for those negative comments. Please whoever is repping me please stop. I want to see how low I can go. Most of you would be shocked to find out some of my prior names on this board.

Most of us dont give a rats ass. We know it is just another lieing louse liberal.

"I did not have sex with that woman" Bill Clinton, waving his finger at the American Public.

Nice legacy, liar, adulterer.

ANd hs is such an eloquent speaker. hahahhahahahhhahahah

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Huh ?? I actually like his comments. He seems to be able to string some pretty funny shit together.

Yea, and you probably think Al Franken is funny.

 

[eots]

both party's are owned and controlled and corrupt beyond belief

 

[roadhouse158]

Let me see, i think i was on my way to physics class, I was in high school CSM!

How could i do anything. But even I, knew that the president was going to be reading to little children that day. If he knew, that everyone knew where he was, and we were being attacked by terrorists. Why then, did he not leave right away, if anything to save his own life, incase of an attack on that school, (Which by the way EVERYONE knew he was there even me) Tell me why he sat there and endangerd his own life (along with all the children) by sticking around for almost an hour after the first attacks. Did someone not tell him "Sir we are under attack" ?!?!?! Did he not fear his own life? And if he didnt, why did he not evacuate the school, or say one fucking lousy command!!!!! This is not an argument because on this issue, your president was either very very wrong, or very very stupid. Everyone knows, if we are under attack, get the president out of here, and evacuate the place where he was, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE LITTLE CHILDREN!

My Response

hmm...Let me give you a little insight, as I am related to a former member of the Secret Service. According to my Uncle, the Agents would have informed the President of what was happening. They would have advised the President to hold his position, as they are going to clear the area...IE...The school, and the exit route. You don't grab the President up and shuffle him off unless there was an immediate danger to himself. Like you said...There were little kids present. Don't you think that would have scared the hell out of them? Doesn't matter what I say. As what I said is probably what happend according to someone who actually did the job....Na...You'll just go with your own ignorant beliefs because that's what you heard Michael Moore say. Yeah...He really knows a thing or two. From my experience there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes, that we, and the press never learn about till years, or decades later. Don't tell me you truly think you know everything that goes on in the government, and overseas. If you do, then please tell me what my house looks like.

Your response:

? You make absolutely no sense. Im not psychic, i just knew where he was going to be that day, before we were under attack. Which means, Terrorists
could have known. Why should i know whats in your house again? Is this a paranormal thread?

How did my post make no sense? You asked why he didn't leave the school. I answered your question. Pretty clear cut. Sorry if you can't understand.

 

[T-Bor]

Spectrum 7 Energy Corp...Hows that beiotch...Just because he could not remember the name doesnt mean it didnt happen. Go back to your rice patty now

Your point cant be proven, cuz its wrong.

I was playing baseball the other day when a guy started saying how Pres Bush is such a lousy businessman, that he had five failed businesses, blah, blah, blah, I asked him to name ONE of those businesses, and the loud mouthed arrogant STUPID Bush hating liberal started stuttering all over the place.

I dont know, I still have hope that someday you guys will post something with some substance.

 

[T-Bor]

http://alaric3rh.home.sprynet.com/science/bceo.html

Sorry, I am going to pull a Red States Here just for long duck dong above.


The Failed Corporate Record of
George W. Bush


Several researchers have investigated the business history of the Bush family. The facts that they have uncovered are not very pretty. The business record of George W. Bush holds some revealing insights to how his presidency has operated, and helps to explain why the country has fallen so deeply in debt and has so many other problems.
As explained by Kevin Phillips in his book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush, George W. Bush's businesses fail but he makes millions. Among Mr. Bush's business ventures:

Arbusto, an oil exploration company, lost money, but it got considerable investments (nearly $5 million) because even losing oil investments were useful as tax shelters.
Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. bought out Arbusto in 1984 and hired Mr. Bush to run the company's oil interests in Midland, Texas. The oil business collapsed as oil prices plummeted by 1986, and Spectrum 7 Energy was near failure.
Harken Energy acquired Mr. Bush's Spectrum 7 Energy shares, and he got Harken shares, a directorship, and a consulting arrangement in return. Harken, under Bush, brought in Saudi real estate tycoon Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh as a board member and a major investor. Over the next few years, Harken would turn out to have links to: Saudi money, CIA-connected Filipinos, the Harvard Endowment, the emir of Bahrain, and the shadowy Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
A 1991 internal SEC document suggested George W. Bush violated federal securities law at least 4 times in the late 1980s and early 1990s in selling Harken stock while serving as a director of Harken. This is essentially the same kind of activity that Martha Stewart is going to prison over. Except at the time of the investigation, Mr. Bush's father was president and the case was quietly dropped.
In his book, Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush, John W. Dean explains that his family name and his father's prominence were significant factors in George W. Bush's business "success", or, were significant factors in repeated saves from serious business and financial failures. Both Arbusto/Bush Exploration and Spectrum 7 failed with Bush as chairman and CEO. At Harken, Mr. Bush was relieved of day-to-day management responsibilities but still served on the board of directors. Dean also notes:
George W. Bush claims his formative years, which he extends to age 40, are out of bounds. Yet those are the years when one's character and values are formed. Bush had occasionally overindulged with alcohol, and he was a bit of an irresponsible youth.
Dean believes Mr. Bush took advantage of his insider information when he sold his Harken stock in 1990, but he escaped SEC penalties because his father was president and many of the investigating officials had Bush family ties and other conflicts of interest. Many of the facts about the Harken deal remain buried and Bush has stonewalled all efforts to find out more.
Our first oil company/MBA president naturally views the world through the eyes of a CEO, according to Eric Alterman and Mark Green. In their book, The Book on Bush: How George W. (Mis)leads America, they describe how this results in a probusiness/anticonsumer record, including crony capitalism with the awarding of post-Iraq war contracts (Halliburton, Bechtel, and MCI/Worldcom getting most of the contracts). Alterman and Green note that the first 2 years of the Bush administration coincided with the biggest corporate scandals and bankruptcies since Teapot Dome in the 1920s. Mr. Bush had to manage a falling economy riddled with corporate malfeasance. Companies on the corporate rap sheet:

MCI/Worldcom -- the single largest corporate securities fraud in U.S. history.
Enron -- the largest contributor to Bush's political career. The Bush administration is staffed with numerous former Enron employees and consultants.
Harken Energy -- Bush's behavior on Harken's board of directors was similar to that of the companies caught in the corporate scandals. Mr. Bush received several memos from Harken officials about the impending financial crisis in the company, sold his stock, then several days later the Harken financial problems wewre made public. He failed to file notice of these sales to the SEC for 8 months. The SEC simply stopped their 1990-91 investigation.
Halliburton -- Dick Cheney served as CEO and chairman from 1995-2000. He sold Halliburton stock before bad financial news regarding his company was made public. Halliburton committed fraud on its investors by overstating its earnings.
Enron and Worldcom were followed by scandals and failures at Adelphia, Tyco, and others.
As he did to his unsuccessful businesses, George W. Bush is doing to the country -- leading it down a path of failure:

huge federal deficits
mismanagement
deception
cronyism.
The Bush family has had financial and oil business ties with Middle Eastern countries for decades. As explained by Kevin Phillips in his 2004 book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush:

"no other political family in the United States has had anything remotely resembling the Bushes' four-decade relationship with the Saudi royal family and the oil sheikhs of the Persion Gulf" (page 315).
The investment firm, The Carlyle Group, is run by the Bush crowd (George H.W. Bush, James Baker III, and Frank Carlucci have been/are its top managers and advisers). The Carlyle Group served as an interface between these Bush characters and the Saudi bin Laden family. "Some commentators felt that some connections between the bin Ladens and their black-sheep relative (Osama bin Laden) persisted" (page 315). This connection directly links George W. Bush to Al Quaeda and leads to the logical question: In spite of the president's rhetoric, are Mr. Bush and Osama actually working together? Could that be why Osama bin Laden hasn't been caught?
"Greg Palast (asked) 'What made this new president [George W. Bush] take particular care to protect the Saudis (after the September 11 terrorist attack), even to the point of stymieing his own intelligence agencies?' The answers, he said, kept coming back 'Carlyle' and 'Arbusto,' the two prominent interfaces between the finances of the Bush family and those of the bin Laden family" (page 316).
The Bush administration demanded major deletions (especially in the 28-page section dealing with the role played by the Saudis and other foreign governments) in the 2003 joint report of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees on the origins of the 9/11 attack and how it might have been prevented (page 316).
Kevin Phillips comes to a frightening conclusion about the Bushes and America in his book on page 330:
Mr. Bush's main advisor, Karl Rove, is an avid reader of Machiavelli. Machiavelli wrote his books, The Prince and The Discourses, during the early sixteenth century at a time when his own Florentine republic was undergoing political turmoil. "French, German, and Spanish imperial power was overrunning Europe, including Italy, through a scale of wealth and military capacity that doomed many of the old city-states. Florence (Machiavelli's home), one such, surrendered its republican status in the 1530s and took the Medici as hereditary rulers. ... the advice Machiavelli gives in The Prince was dedicated to the Medicis and designed to work in the new princely, aristocratic, and neo-imperial milieu of 16th-century Italy."
"The possibility that the United States could edge toward its own Machiavellian moment in an early-21st-century milieu of terrorism, neo-imperialism, and dynastization is not far-fetched."
"Chapter 4, in its discussion of Bush domestic policy and 'compassionate conservative' rhetoric, has already referred to Machiavelli's advice that the Prince should lie but must 'be able to disguise this character well, and to be a great feigner and dissembler.' Moreover, 'to see and hear him, he [the Prince] should seem to be all mercy, faith, integrity, humanity and religion. And nothing is more necessary than to seem to have this last quality. ... Everybody sees what you appear to be, few feel what you are.'"
"Other advice dwells on the merits of fraud, hypocrisy, faithlessness, and related practices, and 20th century academicians have noted Machiavelli's appeal to leaders like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini. Doubtless there are also hundreds of copies of The Prince at the CIA. Which makes it revealing, and arguably ill advised, that the two political advisers to the two Bush presidents should claim it as a bible of sorts."
"Even in religion, Machiavelli's advice to emphasize it is relevant to the early-21st-century United States. His career in Florence overlapped that of Friar Girolamo Savonarola, the Religious despot who ruled the gasping republic from 1494 to 1498 with a politics of fighting sin and immorality. Doubtless the youthful Machiavelli absorbed how close Savonarola came to achieving a theocracy even in republican Florence. Not a few Americans see a little bit of Savonarola in George W. Bush."
"The advent of a Machiavelli-inclined dynasty (the Bush dynasty) in what may be a Machiavellian Moment for the American Republic is not a happy coincidence, but one that demands attention."

 

[Vintij]

Your point cant be proven, cuz its wrong.

C'mon, even the most bane idiots know that many a great statesman were not good public speakers. If you or I were in a national audience, we would fumble our words so bad you would mistake us for stutterers.

You are just another one of the idiotic Bush haters, you guys are such lemmings, you dont even know why you hate him.

I was playing baseball the other day when a guy started saying how Pres Bush is such a lousy businessman, that he had five failed businesses, blah, blah, blah, I asked him to name ONE of those businesses, and the loud mouthed arrogant STUPID Bush hating liberal started stuttering all over the place.

I dont know, I still have hope that someday you guys will post something with some substance.

I know why i hate him, and its not because hes a bad buisnessman, because he is fairly decent at that.

I would rather my president be getting head and lying about it, than my president going to war again, while lying about WMD's. There are so many other alleged "threats" out there, yet we dont invade all of them do we? 5 times in a row, we have attacked countrys that have not attacked us (korea, kuwait, afganistan, vietnam, iraq) . 4 of those conflicts are still unresolved. Are we shooting for a record number of unresolved, unprovoked, wars of choice?!?!

 

[T-Bor]

YOU BASTARD !!!!!!!

That deserves some positive rep!

 

[tnfzpaul]

both party's are owned and controlled and corrupt beyond belief

Corruption in both /agree

 

[Vintij]

Corruption in both /agree

Agreed by far.

 

[T-Bor]

TNFZPaul is this you????

 

[Puddles]

T-Bor let's see your picture.

 

[T-Bor]

 

[Puddles]

Don't you wish

 

[T-Bor]

TNFZPaul when he was a child

 

[LuvRPgrl]

both party's are owned and controlled and corrupt beyond belief

BINGO !!!

which is what begs the question, why give them more money (taxes) and power to have over us?

Libs do it because they all have their own pet projects they want funded instead of some unifying theme.

They dont care what happens to anyone else, as long as.....

their pro abortion clinic gets funded
their extreme enviormental regulations get passed
etc