How do you reconcile these two remarks....

[irosie91]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

 

[irosie91]

If any of these people were actual lawyers, and if they had an actual lawful argument, they would be burying me with statistics, case law, and all kinds of law jargon that I probably wouldn't understand. Lol. Fuck you doesn't really count as an argument in a court of law, you know?

actually you do not need to cite case-law for well known facts on ethics.
Of course lawyers do play those games to bamboozle the naïve.
Legalese is far more PROFANE than is "ghetto talk". Lots of
ethics is simply HUMAN. My own (boring personal) anecdote.
I was 19 when I did PBX switchboard in a very large hospital---with
resident doctors, nurses, janitors, a little store----etc etc----A kind
of plantation, ----long ago----when the PBX operators sat around all day
HEARING everything everyone said. The only case law that shut my
mouth to all the juicy crap I heard-------was the HIPPOCRATIC OATH.
EVERYONE KNOWS ----even the idiot judges who specialize in
LINGO AND SOPHISTRY

 

[irosie91]

Leftists are extremely hate filled to an absolutely insane degree. It is quite remarkable actually.

not all leftists. As you KNOW-----the original leftists were the clergy----the ones who had a heart for the afflicted (or so they teach in public high school)
PS----a lawyer told me it is ALWAYS invalid to describe what someone else
knows or "thinks"---------lawyers and judges to it all the time-----but the rest of
us are not permitted to do so. Fellow cybies----do NOT ASSUME that judges
"KNOW" the law------or the details of commonly held ethics

 

[Penelope]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

 

[irosie91]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

"penny" is the affectionate diminutive for the name "Penelope"
All 'health care" workers have access to confidential information.
LEGALLY just the fact that a person has a history of being
hospitalized in this or that institution is LEGALLY CONFIDENTIAL----
you didn't know? There are lawyers to whom I would not divulge a
patient's SHOE SIZE

 

[Penelope]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

"penny" is the affectionate diminutive for the name "Penelope"
All 'health care" workers have access to confidential information.
LEGALLY just the fact that a person has a history of being
hospitalized in this or that institution is LEGALLY CONFIDENTIAL----
you didn't know? There are lawyers to whom I would not divulge a
patient's SHOE SIZE

I have not been debating with you in this thread.

 

[irosie91]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

"penny" is the affectionate diminutive for the name "Penelope"
All 'health care" workers have access to confidential information.
LEGALLY just the fact that a person has a history of being
hospitalized in this or that institution is LEGALLY CONFIDENTIAL----
you didn't know? There are lawyers to whom I would not divulge a
patient's SHOE SIZE

I have not been debating with you in this thread.

I do not care with whom you do or do not debate

 

[irosie91]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

penny, dear. ....to whom you are talking...

 

[bendog]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

Stop using English (-:

Hewitt was not clear, but he may be mixing confidentiality with attny-client privilege. Cohen said Sean was a client. If Sean hadn't undercut that assertion, then any evidence of their communication would be covered by attny-client privilege, and a court could not order it disclosed .... unless the attny and client were accessories to a criminal enterprise.

An attny - Cohen - may consider any communication made to be confidential even if its not made directly in connection to the attny representing the client in a specific matter. For example, X asks lawyer "do I need a will?" The lawyer says "it depends on what you got and who you want to get it." The lawyer may consider that communication confidential. Hopefully most would. But, a court could order it be disclosed if it turned out to be relevant in some conflict with X and a third person
Difference Between Confidentiality and Attorney-Client Privilege

 

[bendog]

1. Michael Cohen's lawyers averred in court that Sean Hannity is one of Michael Cohen's clients.
2. Sean Hannity asserts that he was not at all Cohen's client.
   

   Michael Cohen has never represented me in any matter. I never retained him, received an invoice, or paid legal fees. I have occasionally had brief discussions with him about legal questions about which I wanted his input and perspective.
   -- Sean Hannity

   
   Hannity: Cohen has never represented me - CNN Video
   • No invoice. No legal fees paid. No legal advice given.

What is attorney-client privilege?

Who makes a living lying every day on air.

And I wonder why. Seriously.

 

[Penelope]

Being a liar is not a crime either, unless you are under oath or talking to the authorities.

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

penny, dear. ....to whom you are talking...

To you , I am not debating you in this thread, so why refer to me?

 

[irosie91]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

Stop using English (-:

Hewitt was not clear, but he may be mixing confidentiality with attny-client privilege. Cohen said Sean was a client. If Sean hadn't undercut that assertion, then any evidence of their communication would be covered by attny-client privilege, and a court could not order it disclosed .... unless the attny and client were accessories to a criminal enterprise.

An attny - Cohen - may consider any communication made to be confidential even if its not made directly in connection to the attny representing the client in a specific matter. For example, X asks lawyer "do I need a will?" The lawyer says "it depends on what you got and who you want to get it." The lawyer may consider that communication confidential. Hopefully most would. But, a court could order it be disclosed if it turned out to be relevant in some conflict with X and a third person
Difference Between Confidentiality and Attorney-Client Privilege

thanks dog------for your citation and website. I NEEDED that for information
regarding a personal matter. I am amazed that some (not all---probably
not most) lawyers and judges tend to expectorate and defecate on DA LAW

 

[irosie91]

Being a liar is not a crime either, unless you are under oath or talking to the authorities.

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

penny, dear. ....to whom you are talking...

To you , I am not debating you in this thread, so why refer to me?

if I refer to you, penny, I refer to something you posted

 

[Penelope]

Being a liar is not a crime either, unless you are under oath or talking to the authorities.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

penny, dear. ....to whom you are talking...

To you , I am not debating you in this thread, so why refer to me?

if I refer to you, penny, I refer to something you posted

Oh well of course patients are always confidential , and even to a janitor overhearing a conversation.

 

[irosie91]

Being a liar is not a crime either, unless you are under oath or talking to the authorities.

PS---penny-----all health care workers know this stuff-------
even the janitors in the hospital

I have no idea who you are talking to.

penny, dear. ....to whom you are talking...

To you , I am not debating you in this thread, so why refer to me?

if I refer to you, penny, I refer to something you posted

Oh well of course patients are always confidential , and even to a janitor overhearing a conversation.

same is true of communications with LAWYERS

 

[AsherN]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

Partialy correct. The privilege is between the client and the attorney. You are correct that the attorney is better suited to ascertain what should be priviledged and what not. But that is for communications between the attorney and the client. If the client says he was not a client, then the privilege does not apply.

 

[irosie91]

The confidentiality is extended by the lawyer but is owned by the client. Cohen, by saying Hannity was a client, was making it possible for those documents to be considered confidential. But Hannity by stating he was NOT a client effectively rejected the offer of confidentiality.

not true. A professional gets to decide just what is confidential----
he does not ASK the client. There are reasons----clients are
considered NAIVE -----in the case of lawyers---OF THE LAW----
in fact---in the case of doctors----ALSO, OF THE LAW. People
are OFTEN wrongly told to give up records or LOSE

Partialy correct. The privilege is between the client and the attorney. You are correct that the attorney is better suited to ascertain what should be priviledged and what not. But that is for communications between the attorney and the client. If the client says he was not a client, then the privilege does not apply.

Oh------that seems a bit weird to me My area is medicine. For me privilege
applies to ALL KNOWLEGE of a person obtained as a consequence of "medical
care" Can an attorney who OFFERED advice to a person ------other than in
a client capacity ----CLAIM PRIVILEGE? Let's solidify this conversation with
examples. I know an attorney-------he wrote my will (example) I have an
UNRELATED legal issue and casually ask a few questions-----and INCLUDE
DETAILS about my personal business-----THAT IS NOT PRIVILEGED?

A patient ---BTW ----tells me that he smoked three marijuana cigs when in
college whilst we are both in in the coffee shop. Not my patient ---NOT PRIVILEGED? He makes his comment in order to ask advice about
the consequence of marijuana smoking -----not privileged?