How do we make sense of this?

[Moonglow]

I voted for GWB for election and reelection over certain policy stances and the same with DJT. Both to me were more capable of handling the job than their opposition.

Especially when they be dolling out the free dough.

 

[Billiejeens]

Their entire campaign strategy for 2024 appears to be JANUARY 6TH

The Washington Post/University of Maryland poll found that about one-third of U.S. adults say they believe President Biden was not legitimately elected president of the United States in 2020

 

[berg80]

You miss the big picture because you are a hack. Period.

Shifting from a false equivalence to an ad hominem attack doesn't make your position more compelling.

 

[berg80]

Both to me were more capable of handling the job than their opposition.

So you were an early adopter of the propaganda. What made an adulterer who declared multiple bankruptcies, failed at business, started a fraudulent real estate school, had no domestic or foreign policy experience, was temperamentally unfit for the presidency, and consorted with enemies of the US qualified to be prez?

 

[TNHarley]

Shifting from a false equivalence to an ad hominem attack doesn't make your position more compelling.

You can call that whatever you want. Its the truth.

 

[lg325]

No

So you were an early adopter of the propaganda. What made an adulterer who declared multiple bankruptcies, failed at business, started a fraudulent real estate school, had no domestic or foreign policy experience, was temperamentally unfit for the presidency, and consorted with enemies of the US qualified to be prez?

Not the propaganda just knowledge of him from his young life in business to now. He is an outsider, uses his business skills effectively to deal with world leaders, and gets a lot done. The Career government people found his style strange but to us in the private sector, we understand it.

 

[Dekster]

WashingtonCNN —
George W. Bush has turned his unpopularity upside down.

Six in 10 Americans, 61%, say they now have a favorable view of the 43rd President of the United States in the latest CNN poll conducted by SSRS, nearly double the 33% who gave him a favorable mark when he left the White House in January 2009.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/george-w-bush-favorable-poll/index.html

Can we attribute it to "people forget?" I don't know what else to make of it. He presided over two epic failures. The Iraq War and the Great Recession. As was the case with Reagan there has been no coordinated attempt to revise history. Making his rise in popularity somewhat inexplicable.

But there has been a monumental effort to revise history that explains this.

Republican loyalty to Trump, rioters climbs in 3 years after Jan. 6 attack​

Three years after the Jan. 6 attack, Republicans are more sympathetic to those who stormed the U.S. Capitol and more likely to absolve Donald Trump of responsibility for the attack than they were in 2021, according to a Washington Post-University of Maryland poll.

Republicans are showing increased loyalty to the former president as he campaigns for reelection and fights criminal charges over his attempt to stay in power after losing in 2020. They are now less likely to believe that Jan. 6 participants were “mostly violent,” less likely to believe Trump bears responsibility for the attack, and are slightly less likely to view Joe Biden’s election as legitimate than they were in a December 2021 Post-UMD survey.
In follow-up interviews, some said their views have changed because they now believe the riot was instigated by law enforcement to suppress political dissent — a baseless conspiracy theory that has been promoted heavily in right-wing media and by Trump in his speeches and in his legal fight against the four-count federal indictment he faces in D.C.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/01/02/jan-6-poll-post-trump/

I'm not sure there is a better or more frightening example of Repub's susceptibility to propaganda than what these polls show. The longer they are exposed to Faux-like disinformation the more they believe in a distorted view of reality. One that is beyond the reach of facts or reason. More than anything this is why I am not optimistic about the country's future. A participatory democracy, reliant on an informed electorate, can not survive in the post-factual environment created by RWM.

He shared candy with Michelle Obama so now democrats view him more favorably.

 

[berg80]

You can call that whatever you want. Its the truth.

You aren't worth my time.

 

[berg80]

He shared candy with Michelle Obama so now democrats view him more favorably.

He is, arguably, a war criminal who presided over one of the worst international loses of wealth in history due to the epic housing collapse and the consequent loss of value in RBMS bonds sold around the world.

 

[TNHarley]

You aren't worth my time.

I know. Your time should be reserved for other partisan hacks.

 

[berg80]

No

Not the propaganda just knowledge of him from his young life in business to now. He is an outsider, uses his business skills effectively to deal with world leaders, and gets a lot done. The Career government people found his style strange but to us in the private sector, we understand it.

His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years. Over all, Mr. Trump lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the 10 years.

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses (Published 2019)

Newly obtained tax information reveals that from 1985 to 1994, Donald J. Trump’s businesses were in far bleaker condition than was previously known.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Billiejeens]

He is, arguably, a war criminal who presided over one of the worst international loses of wealth in history due to the epic housing collapse and the consequent loss of value in RBMS bonds sold around the world.

Neither assertion is actually correct -

This is why you have such a hard time with reality.

 

[TNHarley]

the epic housing collapse

God I hate defending that war mongering POS.... but... that was not his fault. He gave several speeches to congress warning them to do something about it. He begged them. He was the only one fighting to fix things before it happened. To blame him for that is ignorant.

 

[Independentthinker]

WashingtonCNN —
George W. Bush has turned his unpopularity upside down.

Six in 10 Americans, 61%, say they now have a favorable view of the 43rd President of the United States in the latest CNN poll conducted by SSRS, nearly double the 33% who gave him a favorable mark when he left the White House in January 2009.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/george-w-bush-favorable-poll/index.html

Can we attribute it to "people forget?" I don't know what else to make of it. He presided over two epic failures. The Iraq War and the Great Recession. As was the case with Reagan there has been no coordinated attempt to revise history. Making his rise in popularity somewhat inexplicable.

But there has been a monumental effort to revise history that explains this.

Republican loyalty to Trump, rioters climbs in 3 years after Jan. 6 attack​

Three years after the Jan. 6 attack, Republicans are more sympathetic to those who stormed the U.S. Capitol and more likely to absolve Donald Trump of responsibility for the attack than they were in 2021, according to a Washington Post-University of Maryland poll.

Republicans are showing increased loyalty to the former president as he campaigns for reelection and fights criminal charges over his attempt to stay in power after losing in 2020. They are now less likely to believe that Jan. 6 participants were “mostly violent,” less likely to believe Trump bears responsibility for the attack, and are slightly less likely to view Joe Biden’s election as legitimate than they were in a December 2021 Post-UMD survey.
In follow-up interviews, some said their views have changed because they now believe the riot was instigated by law enforcement to suppress political dissent — a baseless conspiracy theory that has been promoted heavily in right-wing media and by Trump in his speeches and in his legal fight against the four-count federal indictment he faces in D.C.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/01/02/jan-6-poll-post-trump/

I'm not sure there is a better or more frightening example of Repub's susceptibility to propaganda than what these polls show. The longer they are exposed to Faux-like disinformation the more they believe in a distorted view of reality. One that is beyond the reach of facts or reason. More than anything this is why I am not optimistic about the country's future. A participatory democracy, reliant on an informed electorate, can not survive in the post-factual environment created by RWM.

When the left try taking democracy away, the right rises to the occasion. You did it to yourselves.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

WashingtonCNN —
George W. Bush has turned his unpopularity upside down.

Six in 10 Americans, 61%, say they now have a favorable view of the 43rd President of the United States in the latest CNN poll conducted by SSRS, nearly double the 33% who gave him a favorable mark when he left the White House in January 2009.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/george-w-bush-favorable-poll/index.html

Can we attribute it to "people forget?" I don't know what else to make of it. He presided over two epic failures. The Iraq War and the Great Recession. As was the case with Reagan there has been no coordinated attempt to revise history. Making his rise in popularity somewhat inexplicable.

But there has been a monumental effort to revise history that explains this.

Republican loyalty to Trump, rioters climbs in 3 years after Jan. 6 attack​

Three years after the Jan. 6 attack, Republicans are more sympathetic to those who stormed the U.S. Capitol and more likely to absolve Donald Trump of responsibility for the attack than they were in 2021, according to a Washington Post-University of Maryland poll.

Republicans are showing increased loyalty to the former president as he campaigns for reelection and fights criminal charges over his attempt to stay in power after losing in 2020. They are now less likely to believe that Jan. 6 participants were “mostly violent,” less likely to believe Trump bears responsibility for the attack, and are slightly less likely to view Joe Biden’s election as legitimate than they were in a December 2021 Post-UMD survey.
In follow-up interviews, some said their views have changed because they now believe the riot was instigated by law enforcement to suppress political dissent — a baseless conspiracy theory that has been promoted heavily in right-wing media and by Trump in his speeches and in his legal fight against the four-count federal indictment he faces in D.C.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/01/02/jan-6-poll-post-trump/

I'm not sure there is a better or more frightening example of Repub's susceptibility to propaganda than what these polls show. The longer they are exposed to Faux-like disinformation the more they believe in a distorted view of reality. One that is beyond the reach of facts or reason. More than anything this is why I am not optimistic about the country's future. A participatory democracy, reliant on an informed electorate, can not survive in the post-factual environment created by RWM.

You can't make sense of right-wing insanity.

 

[berg80]

You can't make sense of right-wing insanity.

But we can understand its genesis. I submit to you that 3 years of RWM efforts to normalize/minimize/lie about what Trump and his mob did has been effective.

 

[Dekster]

He is, arguably, a war criminal who presided over one of the worst international loses of wealth in history due to the epic housing collapse and the consequent loss of value in RBMS bonds sold around the world.

He perhaps is a war criminal (though Clinton's Financial Services Modernization Act is what caused the great recession), but he did share candy with Michelle.

 

[Billiejeens]

But we can understand its genesis. I submit to you that 3 years of RWM efforts to normalize/minimize/lie about what Trump and his mob did has been effective.

You have simply let the Democrat Media misinterpret for you, completely, what happened the whole time.

 

[OKTexas]

WashingtonCNN —
George W. Bush has turned his unpopularity upside down.

Six in 10 Americans, 61%, say they now have a favorable view of the 43rd President of the United States in the latest CNN poll conducted by SSRS, nearly double the 33% who gave him a favorable mark when he left the White House in January 2009.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/george-w-bush-favorable-poll/index.html

Can we attribute it to "people forget?" I don't know what else to make of it. He presided over two epic failures. The Iraq War and the Great Recession. As was the case with Reagan there has been no coordinated attempt to revise history. Making his rise in popularity somewhat inexplicable.

But there has been a monumental effort to revise history that explains this.

Republican loyalty to Trump, rioters climbs in 3 years after Jan. 6 attack​

Three years after the Jan. 6 attack, Republicans are more sympathetic to those who stormed the U.S. Capitol and more likely to absolve Donald Trump of responsibility for the attack than they were in 2021, according to a Washington Post-University of Maryland poll.

Republicans are showing increased loyalty to the former president as he campaigns for reelection and fights criminal charges over his attempt to stay in power after losing in 2020. They are now less likely to believe that Jan. 6 participants were “mostly violent,” less likely to believe Trump bears responsibility for the attack, and are slightly less likely to view Joe Biden’s election as legitimate than they were in a December 2021 Post-UMD survey.
In follow-up interviews, some said their views have changed because they now believe the riot was instigated by law enforcement to suppress political dissent — a baseless conspiracy theory that has been promoted heavily in right-wing media and by Trump in his speeches and in his legal fight against the four-count federal indictment he faces in D.C.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/01/02/jan-6-poll-post-trump/

I'm not sure there is a better or more frightening example of Repub's susceptibility to propaganda than what these polls show. The longer they are exposed to Faux-like disinformation the more they believe in a distorted view of reality. One that is beyond the reach of facts or reason. More than anything this is why I am not optimistic about the country's future. A participatory democracy, reliant on an informed electorate, can not survive in the post-factual environment created by RWM.

Time allows reflection and perspective, it's that simple.

.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You can call that whatever you want. It's the truth."

Just Like "Oxymoron" Doesn't Mean Something Said by a Moron. Oxymoron Is a Clever Pseudo-Contradiction.

"Fallacy" doesn't mean "falsity." It is true most of the time, but it falls short of being conclusive evidence. It can be a useful lead to more convincing evidence.

In other words, it is a clue. But those who use a nonsense word such as "clueless" don't really understand what a clue means.