How did we get here?

[SavannahMann]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

President Trump, actually exposed the deep state for what it is. The enemy of the people. Since those swamp creatures even before the Don announced his presidency we on the right side of history, saw how both Demoncraps and Repugnicans were working against the US, and while we on the right were trying to vote out the creatures, the morons on the left just kept the status quo of Demons. So since 2000, 1 party would have the house, senate and President, they all acted like drunken progs voting for newer and better ways to fuck US, and tell US to just shut the fuck up and like it. Finally after 8 years of the brown turd selling US out to China and Iran, the people voted for the Don, thus making the swamp creatures come out of the shadows, and go not only after him but US with a fury. That is why we are here at this time.

 

[jehanne1431]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

President Trump, actually exposed the deep state for what it is. The enemy of the people. Since those swamp creatures even before the Don announced his presidency we on the right side of history, saw how both Demoncraps and Repugnicans were working against the US, and while we on the right were trying to vote out the creatures, the morons on the left just kept the status quo of Demons. So since 2000, 1 party would have the house, senate and President, they all acted like drunken progs voting for newer and better ways to fuck US, and tell US to just shut the fuck up and like it. Finally after 8 years of the brown turd selling US out to China and Iran, the people voted for the Don, thus making the swamp creatures come out of the shadows, and go not only after him but US with a fury. That is why we are here at this time.

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Thanks for your comments of which I agree. It is clear that because Trump has many faults it is all that is necessary for the democrats and the mainstream media to attack "the man" and totally avoid all the great measures he has managed to put into place to help American citizens. It also allow the giant hypocrites and thieves on the left to pretend we do not see what creeps they are ---- because the MSM covers for them every single day. Well at least there are now cracks in the wall they have built up, but it looks as though they may be able to pull of their diabolical charade once again.

 

[AMart]

How did we get here? Well Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex, JFK warned us his with secret societies speech, Kubrick did Eyes Wide Shut at the end of his career/life, Trump warned us about the Swamp and we found out that the DC swamp was spying on his campaign illegally ..... I could go on and on.....but the Global Corporations and International Bankers run the world and all of you people can be easily replaced.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

How did we get here??

Well....in the whole entire OP you posted -- not a single policy was discussed........policies matter....

When there is less room for "Economic anxiety" and all of the other buzz terms they use to excuse away people acting a fool -- you will have more of this and worse..... if we had policies that worked best for the most of us, instead of the privileged few of us....there will be less of what happened, not more...

The issues from late stage capitalism is bipartisan -- one side tends to offer policies (whether good or bad) and the other side offers bullshit culture war grievances and scapegoats as a solution......

And right now, we must admit that the Republican party is the problem first and foremost....until you address that, we will never change the status quo....there is no both sides do it to their willfulness to wreck the entire country just to appease a cult leader and his followers...

 

[kyzr]

As soon as the democrats start pushing their agenda:
DC statehood
abolish the Electoral College
Paris Climate Change Treaty (costing the US $trillions)
Iran Nuke Scam (watch how fast Iran gets a nuke now)
Budget Busting programs, the Debt soars, and the dollar crashes
Medicare and Social Security go bankrupt
Gun Grabbing begins
Voters age drops to 16

The "stopper" for all of these is Joe Manchin. He said he would not vote to end the 60-vote filibuster. Thank God.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

President Trump, actually exposed the deep state for what it is. The enemy of the people. Since those swamp creatures even before the Don announced his presidency we on the right side of history, saw how both Demoncraps and Repugnicans were working against the US, and while we on the right were trying to vote out the creatures, the morons on the left just kept the status quo of Demons. So since 2000, 1 party would have the house, senate and President, they all acted like drunken progs voting for newer and better ways to fuck US, and tell US to just shut the fuck up and like it. Finally after 8 years of the brown turd selling US out to China and Iran, the people voted for the Don, thus making the swamp creatures come out of the shadows, and go not only after him but US with a fury. That is why we are here at this time.

View attachment 442177

False.

Jefferson never said this and the notion is devoid of merit.

It's this sort of dishonesty and nonsense that makes the political climate toxic.

 

[Votto]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

Trump was an outsider, and as such, not welcome to the Swamp. At least, that is the picture that is presented to us.

Trump also was more akin to the unrepresented voter from both parties. This included such issues as, controlling the border, jobs slipping away overseas, continuous wars abroad, and massive entitlements like Obamacare that fell short and sold to us on lies, etc.

However, I don't really believe Trump believes in such issues. After all, Trump waited till the democrats captures the House after 2 years to try and address the border issue so that they could vote it all down. Why wait for them to have the opportunity? Either Trump did not want it done, or he knew he did not have the votes within the GOP to get it done, so he tried to spare us the internal fighting. You be the judge

But what is more concerning to me is, Trump tried to run for President about 10 years prior, and asked Oprah of all people to be his VP. She declined and he pulled out of the race. But before he did, he made fun of Pat Buchannan who ran on securing the border, suggesting that Pat was some sort of right wing fanatic for wanting to do it.

This sort of double speak makes one extremely cynical to say the least. It is almost as though this was all scripted for us to steer us all in a certain direction. I can't help but continue to feel that. Propaganda evolves over time by the powers that be, but it never goes away and never will.

Having said that, I now look at news in a whole new light. I don't watch it to find out what is going on in the world, rather, I watch it to find out which direction we are being herded like cattle. The effect the media has had on this last election is apparent to all, considering the mass censorship of information whether it be true or false. Democracy, therefore, has become a battle of mere propaganda and controlling votes by mostly uneducated people who are incapable of critical thought.

 

[pknopp]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

 

[kyzr]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

Trump was an outsider, and as such, not welcome to the Swamp. At least, that is the picture that is presented to us.

Trump also was more akin to the unrepresented voter from both parties. This included such issues as, controlling the border, jobs slipping away overseas, continuous wars abroad, and massive entitlements like Obamacare that fell short and sold to us on lies, etc.

However, I don't really believe Trump believes in such issues. After all, Trump waited till the democrats captures the House after 2 years to try and address the border issue so that they could vote it all down. Why wait for them to have the opportunity? Either Trump did not want it done, or he knew he did not have the votes within the GOP to get it done, so he tried to spare us the internal fighting. You be the judge

But what is more concerning to me is, Trump tried to run for President about 10 years prior, and asked Oprah of all people to be his VP. She declined and he pulled out of the race. But before he did, he made fun of Pat Buchannan who ran on securing the border, suggesting that Pat was some sort of right wing fanatic for wanting to do it.

This sort of double speak makes one extremely cynical to say the least. It is almost as though this was all scripted for us to steer us all in a certain direction. I can't help but continue to feel that. Propaganda evolves over time by the powers that be, but it never goes away and never will.

Having said that, I now look at news in a whole new light. I don't watch it to find out what is going on in the world, rather, I watch it to find out which direction we are being herded like cattle. The effect the media has had on this last election is apparent to all, considering the mass censorship of information whether it be true or false. Democracy, therefore, has become a battle of mere propaganda and controlling votes by mostly uneducated people who are incapable of critical thought.

Good post, but I disagree with your take on immigration and "border issues" in the 3rd paragraph.
My recollection was that Trump pressed for immigration reform but too many RINOs like Ryan, who were owned by the Chamber of Commerce, were addicted to the cheap labor migrants provided. Republicans blocked immigration reform, so Trump built his wall. I applaud Trump doing as much as he could do, including having Mexico keeping migrants away from the wall.

 

[kyzr]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Trump changed everything, now it's just a game

 

[pknopp]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

Trump was an outsider, and as such, not welcome to the Swamp. At least, that is the picture that is presented to us.

Trump also was more akin to the unrepresented voter from both parties. This included such issues as, controlling the border, jobs slipping away overseas, continuous wars abroad, and massive entitlements like Obamacare that fell short and sold to us on lies, etc.

However, I don't really believe Trump believes in such issues. After all, Trump waited till the democrats captures the House after 2 years to try and address the border issue so that they could vote it all down. Why wait for them to have the opportunity? Either Trump did not want it done, or he knew he did not have the votes within the GOP to get it done, so he tried to spare us the internal fighting. You be the judge

But what is more concerning to me is, Trump tried to run for President about 10 years prior, and asked Oprah of all people to be his VP. She declined and he pulled out of the race. But before he did, he made fun of Pat Buchannan who ran on securing the border, suggesting that Pat was some sort of right wing fanatic for wanting to do it.

This sort of double speak makes one extremely cynical to say the least. It is almost as though this was all scripted for us to steer us all in a certain direction. I can't help but continue to feel that. Propaganda evolves over time by the powers that be, but it never goes away and never will.

Having said that, I now look at news in a whole new light. I don't watch it to find out what is going on in the world, rather, I watch it to find out which direction we are being herded like cattle. The effect the media has had on this last election is apparent to all, considering the mass censorship of information whether it be true or false. Democracy, therefore, has become a battle of mere propaganda and controlling votes by mostly uneducated people who are incapable of critical thought.

Good post, but I disagree with your take on immigration and "border issues" in the 3rd paragraph.
My recollection was that Trump pressed for immigration reform but too many RINOs like Ryan, who were owned by the Chamber of Commerce, were addicted to the cheap labor migrants provided. Republicans blocked immigration reform, so Trump built his wall. I applaud Trump doing as much as he could do, including having Mexico keeping migrants away from the wall.

There was no immigration reform to block. Trump didn't mention the real problem in any of his four years. Employers hiring illegals. While Obama did very little there even he did more than Trump.

 

[pknopp]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

You don't have to vote for someone from the other main party to let it be known you aren't going to accept the lies from the one you did vote for.

Look at how many Democrats were pissed at those who voted for Jill Stein.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

I voted for Trump twice. I like his "promises kept" list.
His personality sucks, but I agree with most of his policies, except for the personal tax cut.
The democrats have no policies that I agree with.

and that is fair....

and that doesn't mean Democrats are evil and want to rape all of your kids just because they want to expand Social Security and make sure everyone has adequate healthcare...

But, if you were honest.........it seems for the past 3 or 4 republican presidential campaigns/administrations --- the views of those who once supported them have not aged well......do you think the same will be said with Trump years from now??

Will people open up and be more honest about it or will they continue to claim he was the greatest leader in human history like they do now?

 

[Lesh]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked.

What you are talking about is primarily issues within the Republican Party and NOT the nation as a whole. And that 2016 election had "issues" of its own (Mr. Putin...Mr. Ghouliani, Mr. Comey)

 

[theHawk]

Obama ran on Change. He was not. Trump ran on changing . He did not.

I understand voting for Obama the first time. I do not the second. I understand people voting for Trump the first time. I do not the second.

Once you realize the person you thought knew what he was doing just turned out to be another liar, dump them.

President Trump did change a lot. First President to stand up to China, instead of kissing its ass. No new wars overseas, just like he promised. ISIS wiped off the map, just like he promised.

 

[Votto]

Before we move forward we need to take a minute to figure out how we have ended up here. And the truth is. Everybody is sort of right. And everyone is sort of wrong.

Trump was elected because people in enough states agreed that the Status Quo was fucked. We knew there were problems not addressed by Washington. We knew there were issues with Departments doing things they shouldn’t. And we thought Trump saw this too. And let’s face it. Hillary was a terrible candidate.

So what went wrong? A little truth does not mean every extension and extreme variation is true. And what was worse was Trump did nothing to fix any of the problems. His fanboys blamed the Deep State. Imaginary enemies. The real enemy of Trump was Trump.

The truth is nobody is ready on day one. No President hits the ground on day one ready to do the job. There is a learning curve. And it is steep.

The first thing you have to learn is to listen to your advisors. Hire good ones and listen. Get people who are experienced in their fields. Being in charge does not mean you need to know more than anyone else. It means you are willing to listen. Make decisions. And seek responsibility for those decisions.

You do not need to do what the advisors say. But you do need to listen and consider. Here Trump screwed up. He did not like anyone who disagreed with him. And that is a problem.

The next thing you have to realize is that your communications people are responsible for getting your message out there. Let’s discuss how that works. A position on an issue is decided. The staff hold meetings. Lawyers are consulted to make sure the position is legal or justifiable. Experts are consulted to insure there is a foundation for the position.

As your Press Secretary goes out to announce this position, you get on Twitter and announce you are doing the exact opposite.

Trump had Brain Storms. Brain Waves. And when he had one he tweeted about it. And then he is angry and so are you when all the people consulted disagree and point out it is wrong.

Now. A smart person would have learned by March of 2016 that you needed to dump Twitter. A moderately intelligent person would have figured it out a few months later. Not Trump. He stayed with it despite the perpetual disaster it led to.

It want beautiful. It wasn’t fantastic. And the only thing huge was the groans by people who wished he would get off of Twitter.

Chasing a rabbit. I still think it should be called a Twit. A Runner runs. A baker bakes. Therefor a Twitter twits.

Next problem. Propaganda. Both sides did it. They set up the election where only by cheating could they possibly lose. It is a contest. And in every contest things end up in unpredictable situations and results.

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

Trump was never a savior. He was right. There were and are problems in Washington. He just wasn’t the one to fix it. Biden isn’t either.

Now the nuts are being rounded up. And perhaps we managed to dodge the bullet this time. But folks. Be a little more cynical. Doubt those who seem to be reinforcing your ideals. Chances are you are both nuttier than a Fruitcake in May

Trump was an outsider, and as such, not welcome to the Swamp. At least, that is the picture that is presented to us.

Trump also was more akin to the unrepresented voter from both parties. This included such issues as, controlling the border, jobs slipping away overseas, continuous wars abroad, and massive entitlements like Obamacare that fell short and sold to us on lies, etc.

However, I don't really believe Trump believes in such issues. After all, Trump waited till the democrats captures the House after 2 years to try and address the border issue so that they could vote it all down. Why wait for them to have the opportunity? Either Trump did not want it done, or he knew he did not have the votes within the GOP to get it done, so he tried to spare us the internal fighting. You be the judge

But what is more concerning to me is, Trump tried to run for President about 10 years prior, and asked Oprah of all people to be his VP. She declined and he pulled out of the race. But before he did, he made fun of Pat Buchannan who ran on securing the border, suggesting that Pat was some sort of right wing fanatic for wanting to do it.

This sort of double speak makes one extremely cynical to say the least. It is almost as though this was all scripted for us to steer us all in a certain direction. I can't help but continue to feel that. Propaganda evolves over time by the powers that be, but it never goes away and never will.

Having said that, I now look at news in a whole new light. I don't watch it to find out what is going on in the world, rather, I watch it to find out which direction we are being herded like cattle. The effect the media has had on this last election is apparent to all, considering the mass censorship of information whether it be true or false. Democracy, therefore, has become a battle of mere propaganda and controlling votes by mostly uneducated people who are incapable of critical thought.

Good post, but I disagree with your take on immigration and "border issues" in the 3rd paragraph.
My recollection was that Trump pressed for immigration reform but too many RINOs like Ryan, who were owned by the Chamber of Commerce, were addicted to the cheap labor migrants provided. Republicans blocked immigration reform, so Trump built his wall. I applaud Trump doing as much as he could do, including having Mexico keeping migrants away from the wall.

There was no immigration reform to block. Trump didn't mention the real problem in any of his four years. Employers hiring illegals. While Obama did very little there even he did more than Trump.

Exactly!

And why does neither party want to secure the border? Cheap labor, and probably massive amounts of money under the table for illegal drugs and human trafficking, etc. After all, the drug lords control governments like Mexico, so how is the US exempt from such corruption? They are not.

But telling people you want to secure the border is obviously a good way to get votes.

 

[SavannahMann]

How did we get here? Well Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex, JFK warned us his with secret societies speech, Kubrick did Eyes Wide Shut at the end of his career/life, Trump warned us about the Swamp and we found out that the DC swamp was spying on his campaign illegally ..... I could go on and on.....but the Global Corporations and International Bankers run the world and all of you people can be easily replaced.

And that is why I said Trump was never the Savior. Trump learned first hand what is going on daily. The Government spying on people. Did Trump declassify information pertaining to it? Exposing the criminal conduct to the people? Did he send legislation to Congress to end the practice? No. He named and shamed those who dared spy on him. Spying on the masses is fine. Thou Shall Not spy on Trump.

He did not want to end the practice. He wanted to control it. Use it. For his own gains.

 

[Mac-7]

Now even longtime Republicans are horrified at what has resulted. The siege of the Capital has shocked the nation. The Fanboys double down on the Propaganda. It is all the left. It is all ANTIFA. It is BLM. It is everyone except the RW loons photographed and recorded doing the activity. They were duped. Deceived by those clever ANTIFA folks. They were just going along.

You ask how we got here

it was globalist elites in washington ignoring the will of the people

It was 12 years of racist anti white hate that even many black people could no longer stand - hence trumps’s rising approval among blacks

it was 8 months of Black Lies Matter and ANTIFA nightly riots in the streets

and finally a stolen election and a judicial class that turned its nose up at trump voters