How close the real Confederacy came to the alt-left

There are a lot of places this thread could have been placed, but the quote below places it squarely in political current events :

"how close the real Confederacy also came to the fantasies of the alt-left"

As Professor Guelzo's article points out, the social structure of the Confederacy was highly stratified and more closely resembles the elitism and socialism of the Left Wing. Maybe it's a good thing Lincoln
did invade the South in the War of Northern Aggression! :D


What if the South had won the Civil War? 4 sci-fi scenarios for HBO's 'Confederate'
A successful Confederacy would be a zero-sum economy. In the world of Confederate, the economy would be a hierarchy, with no social mobility, since mobility among economic classes would open the door to economic mobility across racial lines. At the top would be the elite slave-owning families, which owned not only assets but labor, and at the bottom, legally-enslaved African Americans, holding down most of the working-class jobs. There would be no middle class, apart from a thin stratum of professionals: doctors, clergy and lawyers. Beyond that would be only a vast reservoir of restless and unemployable whites, free but bribed into cooperation by Confederate government subsidies and racist propaganda.

Social media progressives are probably right to draw back in horror from the prospect offered by Confederate, although not always for the reasons they presume. The Confederate economy, like the modern Chinese economy, was in the capitalist world but not of it. The Confederate elite of 1861 did not mind making money, but it was aggressively hostile to entrepreneurship and contemptuous of middle-class culture. The most famous advocate of the slave system, George Fitzhugh, frankly described slavery as “traditional socialism” and bitterly contrasted the cruelty of free-market “cannibalism” with the cradle-to-grave welfare provided by the slave owner.

The Confederate government centralized political authority in ways that made a hash of states’ rights, nationalized industries in ways historians have compared to “state socialism,” and imposed the first compulsory national draft in American history. If Benioff and Weiss are successful in creating an alternative world in Confederate, it will shock us fully as much as Game of Thrones has — not for how much of the Confederate future we avoided, but how little.

Slavery was socialism?

lol, that's a new one.
WTF? Socialism is slavery, by another name. Of course, the elites do every well under socialism. Everyone else becomes a slave.

That's idiocy.


Nope, because the goal of socialism/communism isn't to bring the bottom up to the middle but the middle down to the bottom. A middle class with upward mobility is a threat to the global elites and their plan to install this one world, feudalistic , totalitarian communist style system. Poor people are easier to control and they leave less of a carbon footprint. Maurice Strong, Club Of Rome member and part of the U.N Agenda 21 plan said so himself. They have used the fabian socialist left to carry water for them and do their dirty work....useful pawns as it were.
 
There are a lot of places this thread could have been placed, but the quote below places it squarely in political current events :

"how close the real Confederacy also came to the fantasies of the alt-left"

As Professor Guelzo's article points out, the social structure of the Confederacy was highly stratified and more closely resembles the elitism and socialism of the Left Wing. Maybe it's a good thing Lincoln
did invade the South in the War of Northern Aggression! :D


What if the South had won the Civil War? 4 sci-fi scenarios for HBO's 'Confederate'
A successful Confederacy would be a zero-sum economy. In the world of Confederate, the economy would be a hierarchy, with no social mobility, since mobility among economic classes would open the door to economic mobility across racial lines. At the top would be the elite slave-owning families, which owned not only assets but labor, and at the bottom, legally-enslaved African Americans, holding down most of the working-class jobs. There would be no middle class, apart from a thin stratum of professionals: doctors, clergy and lawyers. Beyond that would be only a vast reservoir of restless and unemployable whites, free but bribed into cooperation by Confederate government subsidies and racist propaganda.

Social media progressives are probably right to draw back in horror from the prospect offered by Confederate, although not always for the reasons they presume. The Confederate economy, like the modern Chinese economy, was in the capitalist world but not of it. The Confederate elite of 1861 did not mind making money, but it was aggressively hostile to entrepreneurship and contemptuous of middle-class culture. The most famous advocate of the slave system, George Fitzhugh, frankly described slavery as “traditional socialism” and bitterly contrasted the cruelty of free-market “cannibalism” with the cradle-to-grave welfare provided by the slave owner.

The Confederate government centralized political authority in ways that made a hash of states’ rights, nationalized industries in ways historians have compared to “state socialism,” and imposed the first compulsory national draft in American history. If Benioff and Weiss are successful in creating an alternative world in Confederate, it will shock us fully as much as Game of Thrones has — not for how much of the Confederate future we avoided, but how little.
Ah don thaynk them game a thrones folks know much bout us.
 
Although the Alt-Right were quick to deny they existed and also quick to jump on the bandwagon attacking the Alt-Left, this Professor Guelzo's article wasn't the first time I've seen a learned person or the media use the term. It's just not as common as the Alt-Right.....maybe when the Alt-Left gets someone in the WH, we'll see it more often. :)

Meanwhile:
The Alt-Left Media: One More Sign People Are Looking For Echo Chambers
Today's divisive, partisan politics aren't simply weighted to one side. While the alt-right got a lot of attention in 2016, critics say the alt-left media also continues to peddle conspiracy theories and fake stories. But some experts say the existence of the alt-left is merely the symptom, not the illness as consumers look for stories that affirm their political beliefs....
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
 
Although the Alt-Right were quick to deny they existed and also quick to jump on the bandwagon attacking the Alt-Left, this Professor Guelzo's article wasn't the first time I've seen a learned person or the media use the term. It's just not as common as the Alt-Right.....maybe when the Alt-Left gets someone in the WH, we'll see it more often. :)

Meanwhile:
The Alt-Left Media: One More Sign People Are Looking For Echo Chambers
Today's divisive, partisan politics aren't simply weighted to one side. While the alt-right got a lot of attention in 2016, critics say the alt-left media also continues to peddle conspiracy theories and fake stories. But some experts say the existence of the alt-left is merely the symptom, not the illness as consumers look for stories that affirm their political beliefs....
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
Thanks for admitting the "father of modern leftist thought", your ideology, is Karl Marx. :)

Yes, Marx was against slavery. Not all socialists are like Marx. You know, like Stalin and Mao.
 
Foreign support for the secession of the South was largely among the conservative, wealthy, aristocratic classes. The working classes overseas opposed recognition of the CSA, largely because of their revulsion towards slavery.
 
Although the Alt-Right were quick to deny they existed and also quick to jump on the bandwagon attacking the Alt-Left, this Professor Guelzo's article wasn't the first time I've seen a learned person or the media use the term. It's just not as common as the Alt-Right.....maybe when the Alt-Left gets someone in the WH, we'll see it more often. :)

Meanwhile:
The Alt-Left Media: One More Sign People Are Looking For Echo Chambers
Today's divisive, partisan politics aren't simply weighted to one side. While the alt-right got a lot of attention in 2016, critics say the alt-left media also continues to peddle conspiracy theories and fake stories. But some experts say the existence of the alt-left is merely the symptom, not the illness as consumers look for stories that affirm their political beliefs....
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.
 
There are a lot of places this thread could have been placed, but the quote below places it squarely in political current events :

"how close the real Confederacy also came to the fantasies of the alt-left"

As Professor Guelzo's article points out, the social structure of the Confederacy was highly stratified and more closely resembles the elitism and socialism of the Left Wing. Maybe it's a good thing Lincoln
did invade the South in the War of Northern Aggression! :D


What if the South had won the Civil War? 4 sci-fi scenarios for HBO's 'Confederate'
A successful Confederacy would be a zero-sum economy. In the world of Confederate, the economy would be a hierarchy, with no social mobility, since mobility among economic classes would open the door to economic mobility across racial lines. At the top would be the elite slave-owning families, which owned not only assets but labor, and at the bottom, legally-enslaved African Americans, holding down most of the working-class jobs. There would be no middle class, apart from a thin stratum of professionals: doctors, clergy and lawyers. Beyond that would be only a vast reservoir of restless and unemployable whites, free but bribed into cooperation by Confederate government subsidies and racist propaganda.

Social media progressives are probably right to draw back in horror from the prospect offered by Confederate, although not always for the reasons they presume. The Confederate economy, like the modern Chinese economy, was in the capitalist world but not of it. The Confederate elite of 1861 did not mind making money, but it was aggressively hostile to entrepreneurship and contemptuous of middle-class culture. The most famous advocate of the slave system, George Fitzhugh, frankly described slavery as “traditional socialism” and bitterly contrasted the cruelty of free-market “cannibalism” with the cradle-to-grave welfare provided by the slave owner.

The Confederate government centralized political authority in ways that made a hash of states’ rights, nationalized industries in ways historians have compared to “state socialism,” and imposed the first compulsory national draft in American history. If Benioff and Weiss are successful in creating an alternative world in Confederate, it will shock us fully as much as Game of Thrones has — not for how much of the Confederate future we avoided, but how little.

Tell us more about this government that was created- and led by Christian white men?
 
Support for secession in the South broke down along class lines,

the aristocrat slave-owning, extremely conservative, white supremacist class was overwhelmingly for it.
The working classes, the small farmer types, not so much.
 
Although the Alt-Right were quick to deny they existed and also quick to jump on the bandwagon attacking the Alt-Left, this Professor Guelzo's article wasn't the first time I've seen a learned person or the media use the term. It's just not as common as the Alt-Right.....maybe when the Alt-Left gets someone in the WH, we'll see it more often. :)

Meanwhile:
The Alt-Left Media: One More Sign People Are Looking For Echo Chambers
Today's divisive, partisan politics aren't simply weighted to one side. While the alt-right got a lot of attention in 2016, critics say the alt-left media also continues to peddle conspiracy theories and fake stories. But some experts say the existence of the alt-left is merely the symptom, not the illness as consumers look for stories that affirm their political beliefs....
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.

Hardly. Democratic socialism is democratic government
 
Although the Alt-Right were quick to deny they existed and also quick to jump on the bandwagon attacking the Alt-Left, this Professor Guelzo's article wasn't the first time I've seen a learned person or the media use the term. It's just not as common as the Alt-Right.....maybe when the Alt-Left gets someone in the WH, we'll see it more often. :)

Meanwhile:
The Alt-Left Media: One More Sign People Are Looking For Echo Chambers
Today's divisive, partisan politics aren't simply weighted to one side. While the alt-right got a lot of attention in 2016, critics say the alt-left media also continues to peddle conspiracy theories and fake stories. But some experts say the existence of the alt-left is merely the symptom, not the illness as consumers look for stories that affirm their political beliefs....
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.

The fact is that you are just as much a slave to the private businesses who sell you goods and services you can't do without.
 
There are a lot of places this thread could have been placed, but the quote below places it squarely in political current events :

"how close the real Confederacy also came to the fantasies of the alt-left"

As Professor Guelzo's article points out, the social structure of the Confederacy was highly stratified and more closely resembles the elitism and socialism of the Left Wing. Maybe it's a good thing Lincoln
did invade the South in the War of Northern Aggression! :D


What if the South had won the Civil War? 4 sci-fi scenarios for HBO's 'Confederate'
A successful Confederacy would be a zero-sum economy. In the world of Confederate, the economy would be a hierarchy, with no social mobility, since mobility among economic classes would open the door to economic mobility across racial lines. At the top would be the elite slave-owning families, which owned not only assets but labor, and at the bottom, legally-enslaved African Americans, holding down most of the working-class jobs. There would be no middle class, apart from a thin stratum of professionals: doctors, clergy and lawyers. Beyond that would be only a vast reservoir of restless and unemployable whites, free but bribed into cooperation by Confederate government subsidies and racist propaganda.

Social media progressives are probably right to draw back in horror from the prospect offered by Confederate, although not always for the reasons they presume. The Confederate economy, like the modern Chinese economy, was in the capitalist world but not of it. The Confederate elite of 1861 did not mind making money, but it was aggressively hostile to entrepreneurship and contemptuous of middle-class culture. The most famous advocate of the slave system, George Fitzhugh, frankly described slavery as “traditional socialism” and bitterly contrasted the cruelty of free-market “cannibalism” with the cradle-to-grave welfare provided by the slave owner.

The Confederate government centralized political authority in ways that made a hash of states’ rights, nationalized industries in ways historians have compared to “state socialism,” and imposed the first compulsory national draft in American history. If Benioff and Weiss are successful in creating an alternative world in Confederate, it will shock us fully as much as Game of Thrones has — not for how much of the Confederate future we avoided, but how little.

Tell us more about this government that was created- and led by Christian white men?
The Holy Roman Empire? The British Empire? Napoleon's empire?
 
Although the Alt-Right were quick to deny they existed and also quick to jump on the bandwagon attacking the Alt-Left, this Professor Guelzo's article wasn't the first time I've seen a learned person or the media use the term. It's just not as common as the Alt-Right.....maybe when the Alt-Left gets someone in the WH, we'll see it more often. :)

Meanwhile:
The Alt-Left Media: One More Sign People Are Looking For Echo Chambers
Today's divisive, partisan politics aren't simply weighted to one side. While the alt-right got a lot of attention in 2016, critics say the alt-left media also continues to peddle conspiracy theories and fake stories. But some experts say the existence of the alt-left is merely the symptom, not the illness as consumers look for stories that affirm their political beliefs....
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.

The fact is that you are just as much a slave to the private businesses who sell you goods and services you can't do without.
So we're all slaves? Which would you rather be a slave to?: Capitalism or Socialism?
 
Although the Alt-Right were quick to deny they existed and also quick to jump on the bandwagon attacking the Alt-Left, this Professor Guelzo's article wasn't the first time I've seen a learned person or the media use the term. It's just not as common as the Alt-Right.....maybe when the Alt-Left gets someone in the WH, we'll see it more often. :)

Meanwhile:
The Alt-Left Media: One More Sign People Are Looking For Echo Chambers
Today's divisive, partisan politics aren't simply weighted to one side. While the alt-right got a lot of attention in 2016, critics say the alt-left media also continues to peddle conspiracy theories and fake stories. But some experts say the existence of the alt-left is merely the symptom, not the illness as consumers look for stories that affirm their political beliefs....
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.

The fact is that you are just as much a slave to the private businesses who sell you goods and services you can't do without.
Yeah...you mean like forcing people to buy health insurance or be fined?
 
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.

The fact is that you are just as much a slave to the private businesses who sell you goods and services you can't do without.
So we're all slaves? Which would you rather be a slave to?: Capitalism or Socialism?

with socialism I get a vote.

It's true though. The average American's paycheck goes to the private businesses that have him by the balls because the average American has to pay pay pay for the modern American way of life.
 
I have studied the politics surrounding the civil war all my life. I was born and raised very near Montgomery Alabama and grew up immersed in the history. I have stood on the battlefields, read the books, and stood by the graves of my ancestors who died on both sides. You are totally screwing up trying to make direct comparisons between the politics of the day and what we have now. It's apples and oranges. If you just wanted to beat-up on liberals there are much less spurious methods than trying to make them like the confederates. The whole thing is silly. You should abandon this thread and forget you ever made it.

You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.

The fact is that you are just as much a slave to the private businesses who sell you goods and services you can't do without.
Yeah...you mean like forcing people to buy health insurance or be fined?

No one was fined for not buying healthcare. You didn't get healthcare, you didn't get the tax break that comes with having healthcare.
 
You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.

The fact is that you are just as much a slave to the private businesses who sell you goods and services you can't do without.
So we're all slaves? Which would you rather be a slave to?: Capitalism or Socialism?

with socialism I get a vote.

It's true though. The average American's paycheck goes to the private businesses that have him by the balls because the average American has to pay pay pay for the modern American way of life.
Like Stalin and Mao gave their people votes?
 
You apparently failed at the subject you studied. I hold a degree in history, and two degrees in science, and I can tell you that Liberalism today mirrors post Civil War politics of the late 17th Century.

A simple study of Benevolent Paternalism would teach you that in about 5 minutes.
I can guess by your statement, that your "so called studies" began with a preconceived Bias, and an attempt to prove that THE LEFT was not Authoritarian, did not view themselves as Morally Superior, and did not treat minorities and the poor as Children and Wards of The State.

Here, let me educate you a little, and simply post this link again so you can have a background in the Left's Plantation mentality.


Paternalism - Wikipedia

Here is a good book on Leftist Philosophy and what Minority Cultures Must Do TO BREAK AWAY FROM THEIR KINDLY SLAVE MASTERS!

https://www.amazon.com/Battling-Plantation-Mentality-Struggle-Franklin/dp/0807858021&tag=ff0d01-20


Many African Americans are still Enslaved by The Left Philosophically, Emotionally, and Financially, and it is only by rejecting Benevolent Paternalism and embracing Manifest Destiny, and Rugged Individualism, and Exerting Their FREE WILL to make themselves an Independent and Free Thinking Man or Woman can they fully throw off The Shackles of Social and Economic Slavery imposed on them by Elitists.
Karl Marx wrote many articles in the British press concerning the American civil war. I have read these articles, they are some of the finest contemporary essays on the subject, turns out the father of modern leftist thought HATED the institute of slavery and despised the assholes who went to war to preserve it.
...and yet socialism/Marxism is just another form of slavery.

The fact is that you are just as much a slave to the private businesses who sell you goods and services you can't do without.
Yeah...you mean like forcing people to buy health insurance or be fined?

No one was fined for not buying healthcare. You didn't get healthcare, you didn't get the tax break that comes with having healthcare.
....and "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too."

Oh yeah, it's not a "fine", it's a "fee". Got it!

Individual Mandate Penalty You Pay If You Don't Have Health Insurance Coverage
If you can afford health insurance but choose not to buy it, you must pay a fee called the individual shared responsibility payment. (The fee is sometimes called the "penalty," "fine," or "individual mandate.")

 
Do you want to actually have a discussion about what might have been or do you just want a bunch of people to just swallow your assumptions whole? I like discussing the civil war but only if I am not wasting time with someone who really does not know anything about it.
No. I want a discussion on the similarities of the Old South structure of government and the idealistic structure of government of "modern Liberals". Frankly, I was a bit taken aback by the article since it revealed or explored areas I've never considered before.

Nowadays, myself included, think of the Confederacy as an expression of "State's Rights", but as the Professor's article points out, the CSA trampled all over state's rights just like the modern left. The elitism, the lacking of a strong Middle Class, something "modern Liberals" have been chipping away since the 1970s. Democrats used to be supportive of blue collar workers, the backbone of America, but nowadays, like the CSA, they only back the elite and throw just enough breadcrumbs to others to shut up opposition.
The South was not industrialized to the extent of the North, which makes the south an Agrarian society, which tends to have a smaller middle class than industrialized societies......
 
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There are a lot of places this thread could have been placed, but the quote below places it squarely in political current events :

"how close the real Confederacy also came to the fantasies of the alt-left"

As Professor Guelzo's article points out, the social structure of the Confederacy was highly stratified and more closely resembles the elitism and socialism of the Left Wing. Maybe it's a good thing Lincoln
did invade the South in the War of Northern Aggression! :D


What if the South had won the Civil War? 4 sci-fi scenarios for HBO's 'Confederate'
A successful Confederacy would be a zero-sum economy. In the world of Confederate, the economy would be a hierarchy, with no social mobility, since mobility among economic classes would open the door to economic mobility across racial lines. At the top would be the elite slave-owning families, which owned not only assets but labor, and at the bottom, legally-enslaved African Americans, holding down most of the working-class jobs. There would be no middle class, apart from a thin stratum of professionals: doctors, clergy and lawyers. Beyond that would be only a vast reservoir of restless and unemployable whites, free but bribed into cooperation by Confederate government subsidies and racist propaganda.

Social media progressives are probably right to draw back in horror from the prospect offered by Confederate, although not always for the reasons they presume. The Confederate economy, like the modern Chinese economy, was in the capitalist world but not of it. The Confederate elite of 1861 did not mind making money, but it was aggressively hostile to entrepreneurship and contemptuous of middle-class culture. The most famous advocate of the slave system, George Fitzhugh, frankly described slavery as “traditional socialism” and bitterly contrasted the cruelty of free-market “cannibalism” with the cradle-to-grave welfare provided by the slave owner.

The Confederate government centralized political authority in ways that made a hash of states’ rights, nationalized industries in ways historians have compared to “state socialism,” and imposed the first compulsory national draft in American history. If Benioff and Weiss are successful in creating an alternative world in Confederate, it will shock us fully as much as Game of Thrones has — not for how much of the Confederate future we avoided, but how little.

Tell us more about this government that was created- and led by Christian white men?
The Holy Roman Empire? The British Empire? Napoleon's empire?

Apparently the Confederate empire......
 

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