House Democrats Object to Targeting Gang Members for Deportation, Alleging Racism

[Rigby5]

How is being a violent, criminal thug a 'race' to be discriminated against?

Every study or paper I have ever found, says crime is entirely the fault of injustice, lack of opportunity, etc.
Nobody normally wants to be a criminal, and being a criminal is a much harder, more dangerous, and horrific means of surviving that is forced upon poor people. The only criminals who like being criminals are the wealthy who have high paid lawyers to protect them from the consequences.

 

[Rigby5]

But the reality is no one wants to come here.
They are only coming here because we turned their country into a very dangerous place, run by military dictatorships.
If we stopped doing that, there would no longer be an immigration problem.

Sorry, but you can take that "Blame America First" commie crapola and try to pass it off somewhere else. I'm not buying that here.

The Commies are always trying to make people victims as an excuse to promote their political agenda, which in this case is turning our country into a single-party government forever by eliminating the white majority for the first time in our history. Yeah, they'll feed you this cock and bull story about how it's our fault, but a Democrat doesn't take any action that does not gain them or their party favor, even if they have to lie to you to get your support.

You have it all wrong. Everybody wants to come here, and that's why we have the problems we have now. It's why people south of Mexico that cross through to get here don't accept their asylum offers. The USA is the jackpot, and that's what they're after, the jackpot.

Wrong.
There was absolutely nothing about economic systems or a reason to bring up communism or parties,
The point is that ever since the Monroe Doctrine, the US has been dictating the governments of all the countries south of the border. We train and arm their military at Fort Bennings, Georgia, and then bribe them into taking over and eliminating real elections.
Then the people have no choice but to leave or remain as slaves.
They do not want to come here, it is dangerous and expensive to come here, but we don't give them any choice.
And both parties have always been doing this.
No one is turning down asylum offers, because we are not offering anyone but Cubans or Vietnamese, asylum.
The US is not a jackpot, and those who do make it here a year, mostly go back after that.
You do not spend enough time with immigrants to know what it really like.

 

[Rigby5]

Democrats have a knack for defending the world's worst criminals - The US BP has reported a 1400% increase in known sexual predators and pedophiles this year alone not to mention criminals previously deported for DUI Vehicular Manslaughter, grand theft auto, gangs / gang violence, assaults, robberies (weapons), etc...oh, and lets not forget some on the FBI's top 50 terrorist most wanted list....from 75 different countries all over the world....

Oh come on. Illegal immigrant have a much better history of not being criminals than US citizens.
They commit about half as many crimes.
And terrorist NEVER try to sneak in as illegal immigrants.
If you are intent on terrorism, you are going to spend the time and money to arrange a green card or just come over on a tourist visa. It is not like a terrorist needs to stay forever.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Every study or paper I have ever found, says crime is entirely the fault of injustice, lack of opportunity, etc.
Nobody normally wants to be a criminal, and being a criminal is a much harder, more dangerous, and horrific means of surviving that is forced upon poor people. The only criminals who like being criminals are the wealthy who have high paid lawyers to protect them from the consequences.

Don't buy it for a minute. My father could tell you stories about growing up that would make you cry. During last years toilet paper shortage, all my father did was laugh saying he grew up without toilet paper. He never used the stuff until he left home and joined the Marines to fight in Korea. They never even had indoor plumbing. Need to go at 2:00 am on a cold night during a snow storm? Out in the back where the outhouse was. It wouldn't have been so bad if they could have afforded to put a roof over the thing.

My dad and his five siblings all grew up without going to jail once yet alone prison. Most of them learned a trade, supported their families and a few even ran their own business. Like my father, all his brothers served in our military.

Talk to a foreign beverage or convenient store owner, where you see him working 14 hour days 7 days a week and ask him what poverty is. They will laugh in your face if you tell them about our so-called poverty people in this country.

 

[Rigby5]

Without any need to take either side, there's little doubt that America is becoming a failed democracy due mostly to a racism (race) problem that is unsolvable.

As Marvin martian puts it, America's cities are 'shitholes'.

Oh I think it is easily solvable.
Just increase the economy so that there were more high paying jobs.
And that is easily done with things like the tariffs Trump was putting on Chinese goods.
We could also fix our foolish private insurance, tax exempt, health care system, that makes our goods too expensive.
We could also go to a VAT tax system like the rest of the world, and increase production and exports.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh come on. Illegal immigrant have a much better history of not being criminals than US citizens.
They commit about half as many crimes.
And terrorist NEVER try to sneak in as illegal immigrants.
If you are intent on terrorism, you are going to spend the time and money to arrange a green card or just come over on a tourist visa. It is not like a terrorist needs to stay forever.

2 men on terrorism watch list stopped at U.S. border

CALEXICO, Calif. (AP) — Two men on a terrorism watch list were arrested after illegally crossing the border from Mexico into California, the U.S.

apnews.com

If my next door neighbor goes out and rapes a girl, tortures here and ends her life, there is nothing anybody could do to stop him. If an illegal does the same, there is something we could have done to make sure that young life was not taking in such a brutal way by making sure he wasn't able to get in the country in the first place.

 

[Rigby5]

Every study or paper I have ever found, says crime is entirely the fault of injustice, lack of opportunity, etc.
Nobody normally wants to be a criminal, and being a criminal is a much harder, more dangerous, and horrific means of surviving that is forced upon poor people. The only criminals who like being criminals are the wealthy who have high paid lawyers to protect them from the consequences.

Don't buy it for a minute. My father could tell you stories about growing up that would make you cry. During last years toilet paper shortage, all my father did was laugh saying he grew up without toilet paper. He never used the stuff until he left home and joined the Marines to fight in Korea. They never even had indoor plumbing. Need to go at 2:00 am on a cold night during a snow storm? Out in the back where the outhouse was. It wouldn't have been so bad if they could have afforded to put a roof over the thing.

My dad and his five siblings all grew up without going to jail once yet alone prison. Most of them learned a trade, supported their families and a few even ran their own business. Like my father, all his brothers served in our military.

Talk to a foreign beverage or convenient store owner, where you see him working 14 hour days 7 days a week and ask him what poverty is. They will laugh in your face if you tell them about our so-called poverty people in this country.

You seemed to have missed the point.
No one cares about poverty if everyone is equally poor.
Read it again.
I said, "crime is entirely the fault of injustice, lack of opportunity, etc."
Nothing about "poverty" in there.
But the system is VERY unfair.
It should be obvious.
For example, I can out bid people who want to buy a home to live in, because I get all sorts of tax advantages as a landlord, that owner occupied do not get.
The US is a form of slavery, where poor workers are forced to buy homes for landlords.
If the system was fair, then health care would not be twice what it should be, and the wealthy would not be getting tax exempt health care through their employer.
The wealthy can killed themselves with risky things like skiing, (|Sonny Bono, Kennedy, etc), while poor people who only want to smoke some pot, get a felony conviction and their home confiscated under asset forfeiture.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh come on. Illegal immigrant have a much better history of not being criminals than US citizens.
They commit about half as many crimes.
And terrorist NEVER try to sneak in as illegal immigrants.
If you are intent on terrorism, you are going to spend the time and money to arrange a green card or just come over on a tourist visa. It is not like a terrorist needs to stay forever.

2 men on terrorism watch list stopped at U.S. border

CALEXICO, Calif. (AP) — Two men on a terrorism watch list were arrested after illegally crossing the border from Mexico into California, the U.S.

apnews.com

If my next door neighbor goes out and rapes a girl, tortures here and ends her life, there is nothing anybody could do to stop him. If an illegal does the same, there is something we could have done to make sure that young life was not taking in such a brutal way by making sure he wasn't able to get in the country in the first place.

People desperate and ambitious enough to come here are going to commit far fewer crimes than citizens will.
So by leaving citizens and denying access to migrants, you are increasing the crime ratio.
Illegal immigrants likely stop more crimes than they commit, since they come from less sophisticated and more natural cultures. The US is the culture that is the most criminal, not the cultures the immigrants come from. Remember, they do NOT want to come here. They are only coming here because there native country is a feudal dictatorship based on US weapons and training.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

People desperate and ambitious enough to come here are going to commit far fewer crimes than citizens will.
So by leaving citizens and denying access to migrants, you are increasing the crime ratio.
Illegal immigrants likely stop more crimes than they commit, since they come from less sophisticated and more natural cultures. The US is the culture that is the most criminal, not the cultures the immigrants come from. Remember, they do NOT want to come here. They are only coming here because there native country is a feudal dictatorship based on US weapons and training.

As I already told you, I don't buy into Communist propaganda. They want to come here in the worst way because these are third-world people that created the country they have just like any other country. Saying they don't want to come to the greatest country in the world is like saying you and your family didn't want to go to Disneyland for a week, but had to.

I don't care what the criminal ratio is in the US. If we can save one American life a year by stopping entry of these people, it's more than well worth it, or don't you value American lives that much?

 

[Donald H]

Without any need to take either side, there's little doubt that America is becoming a failed democracy due mostly to a racism (race) problem that is unsolvable.

As Marvin martian puts it, America's cities are 'shitholes'.

Oh I think it is easily solvable.
Just increase the economy so that there were more high paying jobs.
And that is easily done with things like the tariffs Trump was putting on Chinese goods.
We could also fix our foolish private insurance, tax exempt, health care system, that makes our goods too expensive.
We could also go to a VAT tax system like the rest of the world, and increase production and exports.

IF it's a shithole as Marvin suggests then it's not too likely any of those ideas would help. Talk to Mr. 'shithole' Marvin.

We Canadians are all socialists and commies who will never admit we're to blame.

 

[struth]

the xiden harris admin and the entire dnc is in bed with the cartels. The evidence seems to be mounting to support this

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You seemed to have missed the point.
No one cares about poverty if everyone is equally poor.
Read it again.
I said, "crime is entirely the fault of injustice, lack of opportunity, etc."
Nothing about "poverty" in there.
But the system is VERY unfair.
It should be obvious.
For example, I can out bid people who want to buy a home to live in, because I get all sorts of tax advantages as a landlord, that owner occupied do not get.
The US is a form of slavery, where poor workers are forced to buy homes for landlords.
If the system was fair, then health care would not be twice what it should be, and the wealthy would not be getting tax exempt health care through their employer.
The wealthy can killed themselves with risky things like skiing, (|Sonny Bono, Kennedy, etc), while poor people who only want to smoke some pot, get a felony conviction and their home confiscated under asset forfeiture.

That's utter bullshit. First of all, nobody is in prison for smoking some pot. In order to get into any kind of trouble, you have to have huge amounts and be selling the stuff illegally. Secondly, most convictions regarding pot was in concert with a much more serious criminal violation. Need the link, let me know. If I don't still have it, I'll find it.

You do not get any tax advantage by buying a property. In fact most banks require twice the down payment for rental property as they do for home ownership. The only tax advantage you get are write-offs for mortgage interest, insurance and utilities, write-offs for maintenance and repair, and a write-off for updates to the property, but that comes later, not when you purchase a home for rental purposes. If anything, the single home owner has the advantage because they only have to come up with half the down payment.

Nobody is forced to buy homes for landlords. Everybody has a choice in life, and if your choice is to rent, that's your business. Nobody forced you into that choice. You could have continued your education, got training for a field of work or trade, and then bought your own house. The truth of the matter is a lot of younger people don't want home ownership. They don't want to mow the lawn or snow blow the drive. They don't want to deal with a broken down furnace or a roof leak. They don't want to deal with major plumbing problems or a cracked wall that's leaking in the basement. They want to make a phone call to one person and have all their problems solved.

 

[Rigby5]

People desperate and ambitious enough to come here are going to commit far fewer crimes than citizens will.
So by leaving citizens and denying access to migrants, you are increasing the crime ratio.
Illegal immigrants likely stop more crimes than they commit, since they come from less sophisticated and more natural cultures. The US is the culture that is the most criminal, not the cultures the immigrants come from. Remember, they do NOT want to come here. They are only coming here because there native country is a feudal dictatorship based on US weapons and training.

As I already told you, I don't buy into Communist propaganda. They want to come here in the worst way because these are third-world people that created the country they have just like any other country. Saying they don't want to come to the greatest country in the world is like saying you and your family didn't want to go to Disneyland for a week, but had to.

I don't care what the criminal ratio is in the US. If we can save one American life a year by stopping entry of these people, it's more than well worth it, or don't you value American lives that much?

There is nothing "communist" about it.
The US has a history of doing nasty things to other countries.
Vietnam happened to be communist, but we illegally invaded and murdered Iraqis as well.
Communism has nothing to do with it
It is about capitalist profits, that reverts to feudalism if not carefully regulated.

It simply is wrong to say the natives created the country they live in.
Every single country south of the border has a military trained and armed by the US.
Not a one of these was with the permission of the people.

Surely you are not going to try to justify our murder of Allende in Chile, of the many times we established dictatorships in Argentina, Brazil, Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cuba, Peru, etc.?

As far as Disney Land, I can go there any time I want, but would never ever remotely consider it.
I did it once out of curiosity, but it is just there to get hundreds of dollars out of you.
No rational person would go there twice, and certainly not want to stay there.

The point is that honest workers make the US better, and stop crime.
So stopping the entry of these honest workers means the US will have more crime and poverty.

 

[Rigby5]

Ray From Cleveland

You seemed to have missed the point.
No one cares about poverty if everyone is equally poor.
Read it again.
I said, "crime is entirely the fault of injustice, lack of opportunity, etc."
Nothing about "poverty" in there.
But the system is VERY unfair.
It should be obvious.
For example, I can out bid people who want to buy a home to live in, because I get all sorts of tax advantages as a landlord, that owner occupied do not get.
The US is a form of slavery, where poor workers are forced to buy homes for landlords.
If the system was fair, then health care would not be twice what it should be, and the wealthy would not be getting tax exempt health care through their employer.
The wealthy can killed themselves with risky things like skiing, (|Sonny Bono, Kennedy, etc), while poor people who only want to smoke some pot, get a felony conviction and their home confiscated under asset forfeiture.

That's utter bullshit. First of all, nobody is in prison for smoking some pot. In order to get into any kind of trouble, you have to have huge amounts and be selling the stuff illegally. Secondly, most convictions regarding pot was in concert with a much more serious criminal violation. Need the link, let me know. If I don't still have it, I'll find it.

You do not get any tax advantage by buying a property. In fact most banks require twice the down payment for rental property as they do for home ownership. The only tax advantage you get are write-offs for mortgage interest, insurance and utilities, write-offs for maintenance and repair, and a write-off for updates to the property, but that comes later, not when you purchase a home for rental purposes. If anything, the single home owner has the advantage because they only have to come up with half the down payment.

Nobody is forced to buy homes for landlords. Everybody has a choice in life, and if your choice is to rent, that's your business. Nobody forced you into that choice. You could have continued your education, got training for a field of work or trade, and then bought your own house. The truth of the matter is a lot of younger people don't want home ownership. They don't want to mow the lawn or snow blow the drive. They don't want to deal with a broken down furnace or a roof leak. They don't want to deal with major plumbing problems or a cracked wall that's leaking in the basement. They want to make a phone call to one person and have all their problems solved.

Yes pot is used to get Blacks felony convictions so they can not vote.
There was a video of a black kid tased for not paying attention to a cop, and he ended up in jail because they found pot on him, even though he had not done anything remotely criminal.

But you most certainly do gain tax advantages as a landlord.
First of all, I do not put down double the down payment, because I don't put down any cash at all, but simply use my good credit rating.
Second is that I can fully depreciate a property over 25 years, which for a $250k property for example, is $10k I get to take off my taxes each year.

Tenants are forced to buy properties for landlords because the tax advantages make it impossible home buyers to compete. I can out bid them anytime, and force them to buy it for me.

Continuing training is not a fix for most people because then they owe $100k in student loans.
I only avoided that by working enough to have a good income before going back to school, and because in state tuition back then was only $100/semester. It is not more like 100 times that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes pot is used to get Blacks felony convictions so they can not vote.
There was a video of a black kid tased for not paying attention to a cop, and he ended up in jail because they found pot on him, even though he had not done anything remotely criminal.

But you most certainly do gain tax advantages as a landlord.
First of all, I do not put down double the down payment, because I don't put down any cash at all, but simply use my good credit rating.
Second is that I can fully depreciate a property over 25 years, which for a $250k property for example, is $10k I get to take off my taxes each year.

Tenants are forced to buy properties for landlords because the tax advantages make it impossible home buyers to compete. I can out bid them anytime, and force them to buy it for me.

Continuing training is not a fix for most people because then they owe $100k in student loans.
I only avoided that by working enough to have a good income before going back to school, and because in state tuition back then was only $100/semester. It is not more like 100 times that.

I think you either need a better tax preparer or have the one you got now explain what little advantage depreciation is. If you are taking out a mortgage to buy rental property, they require 20% down because banks consider rental property much higher risk. The bank only processes the loan. It's the underwriters that actually loan the money so it's the underwriters rules that you need to abide by to get the loan.

Trade schools are more than affordable, especially for a young person still living at home. The career I'm now retired from still needs tens of thousands of people they can't find. Driving is a pretty good paying job and a world of opportunities. Some pay six figures and there isn't that much training involved. The best part is anybody that doesn't have a lot of points on their license or DUI's can get into that career in just a few months. After a year with a good driving record, you can get just about any job you want. This was posted before the virus in our local news site:

Walmart to hire hundreds of truck drivers, raise salary to nearly $90,000

Walmart has announced it will hire “hundreds” of truck drivers and raise driver pay in 2019. Last year, the company saw same-store comp sales hit three percent, “which is leading …

fox8.com

So you can't give me this inequity or lack of opportunity line and expect me to believe it. Right now thanks to Dementia and the other commies, we are experiencing a labor shortage. Plenty of work around, but they can't find people to do it because government is paying them more to stay home than they can make working with the fed additional unemployment payments that are scheduled to last until September of this year. And who knows after that. They may try to extend it again.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

The Troglocrat Party is admitting once again that criminals and gangs are a very important part of their voter base.

Criminals and gangsters are also a very important part of the Trump party base also (white supremacists, PO boys, etc.)

Nice feelings you have there. Any proof? No?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is nothing "communist" about it.
The US has a history of doing nasty things to other countries.
Vietnam happened to be communist, but we illegally invaded and murdered Iraqis as well.
Communism has nothing to do with it
It is about capitalist profits, that reverts to feudalism if not carefully regulated.

It simply is wrong to say the natives created the country they live in.
Every single country south of the border has a military trained and armed by the US.
Not a one of these was with the permission of the people.

Surely you are not going to try to justify our murder of Allende in Chile, of the many times we established dictatorships in Argentina, Brazil, Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cuba, Peru, etc.?

As far as Disney Land, I can go there any time I want, but would never ever remotely consider it.
I did it once out of curiosity, but it is just there to get hundreds of dollars out of you.
No rational person would go there twice, and certainly not want to stay there.

The point is that honest workers make the US better, and stop crime.
So stopping the entry of these honest workers means the US will have more crime and poverty

The United States allows a million outsiders a year to become citizens of this country. We also pass out a million green cards and Visa's for foreigners to take advantage of everything we created. This is on top of all the foreign aid the US government provides, and a variety of private charities that go to help people all over the world. No other country does what the US does in regards to taking care of people other than their own. If you can find one, let me know what country that is, and then I'll say we aren't doing enough for those people.

Surveys of people all over the world choose the US as the number one destination if they could migrate from their country. It's not because they don't want to either. It's because the US is the land of opportunity and freedom is why, something a lot of our native born citizens don't realize.

Besides the additional crime, immigrants lower wages for American workers. They flood our hospitals for care and don't pay a dime for it because in the US, all hospitals have to treat people in their ER's regardless of ability to pay, which increases medical costs for people that do. They put their kids in our schools that local and state taxpayers have to pay for, and slow down the learning process for our children. They make money here and send it across the borders. They force us to learn their language to get a job in government agencies and even in the private sector because they decided to come here and not learn our language.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Actually, no they didn't. In interviews conducted by Fox News reporters that I witnessed on live TV,
Immigrants waiting on the other side blamed their exodus from countries on violent crime and squalor. Most of them never heard of Biden. The problem is that you trump-a-dumps are so dishonest and uninformed that you are trying to make a political issue out of a humanitarian effort, as clumsy as it is.

Right. It was just dumb luck they started to flood our country after the election.

I've seen plenty of border immigrants on Fox where they clearly say they came because of Biden. But you may consider Fox a bias source. So here's another source.

VIDEO: Illegal Immigrants Proudly Admit They're Entering U.S. Because 'Joe Biden Said It Would Be Easy'

"Who among you came to cross the border because President Joe Biden said it was going to be easy? Raise your hands."

nationalfile.com

And here is how they are dressed while coming here:

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Nice clean white tee-shirts. Did they wear them all the way from Venezuela? Don't think so

Please tell us your theory on who gave them the t shirts. You are so entertaining I just have to hear it!

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Gangs need to be exterminated on the spot. Period.
Especially the DNC.

Wrong.
People all naturally form and join gangs.
The police form a blue gang, each military division is a gang, those who go to book clubs are gang members.

A gang is only a problem when they are determined to violate the rights of others, and citizenship has nothing to do with that, like the Hell's Angels are citizens.

The problem is that there is no legal basis for the War on Drugs, so we are illegally abusing those involved in drugs by calling them gangs.
But it is the police, legislators, judges, and prosecutors who are actually violating the law, not those involved in drug gangs.

Hilarious! Keep ‘em coming!

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

But the reality is no one wants to come here.
They are only coming here because we turned their country into a very dangerous place, run by military dictatorships.
If we stopped doing that, there would no longer be an immigration problem.

Sorry, but you can take that "Blame America First" commie crapola and try to pass it off somewhere else. I'm not buying that here.

The Commies are always trying to make people victims as an excuse to promote their political agenda, which in this case is turning our country into a single-party government forever by eliminating the white majority for the first time in our history. Yeah, they'll feed you this cock and bull story about how it's our fault, but a Democrat doesn't take any action that does not gain them or their party favor, even if they have to lie to you to get your support.

You have it all wrong. Everybody wants to come here, and that's why we have the problems we have now. It's why people south of Mexico that cross through to get here don't accept their asylum offers. The USA is the jackpot, and that's what they're after, the jackpot.

Wrong.
There was absolutely nothing about economic systems or a reason to bring up communism or parties,
The point is that ever since the Monroe Doctrine, the US has been dictating the governments of all the countries south of the border. We train and arm their military at Fort Bennings, Georgia, and then bribe them into taking over and eliminating real elections.
Then the people have no choice but to leave or remain as slaves.
They do not want to come here, it is dangerous and expensive to come here, but we don't give them any choice.
And both parties have always been doing this.
No one is turning down asylum offers, because we are not offering anyone but Cubans or Vietnamese, asylum.
The US is not a jackpot, and those who do make it here a year, mostly go back after that.
You do not spend enough time with immigrants to know what it really like.

Another gem! Thanks.