Hostility Toward Religion: The Source

[PoliticalChic]

....traced to Progressive and Liberal institutions that persuade the most malleable.....

Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton: “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.”
Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111



"U.S. President Barack Obama gives the commencement address to the graduating class of The Ohio State University at Ohio Stadium on May 5, 2013 in Columbus, Ohio.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices."
Obama To Grads: Reject Voices That Warn About Government Tyranny | RealClearPolitics




This is why university graduates tend to be hostile toward the main influence in the founding of this once great nation.


1. "Ohio State University teaches Christians are stupider than atheists

2. ..... Psychology 1100 is a required core class for all students. A quiz offered in that class poses this question:
Theo has an IQ of 100 and Aine has an IQ of 125. Which of the following statements would you expect to be true?
 Theo is more liberal than Aine.
 Theo is an atheist, while Aine is a Christian.
 Aine earns less money than Theo.
 Aine is an atheist, while Theo is a Christian

3. .... the correct answer is the last choice: Aine, with her superior IQ, should be expected to be an atheist. Theo, we assume, should be expected to starve to death trying to figure out how forks and spoons work.





4. According to its class description, OSU’s Psychology 1100 class teaches “Application of the scientific method to the empirical study of behavior with emphasis on individual and cultural differences.”

5. ..... we would like to suggest the following question for the next Psychology 1100 quiz at Ohio State University:
You are a professor of psychology here at OSU. (Go Buckeyes!) Which of the following statements would you expect to be true?
 You are an arrogant, painfully provincial hack.
Ohio State University teaches Christians are stupider than atheists





6. "The whole thing would be too silly to comment on, except for one thing. Ohio State is a publicly funded university, which means that most of its money comes from taxes paid by Christians. I’d say they deserve a refund.

Funny, isn’t it? All the great universities of the Western world were founded by Christians.
In fact, the university was invented by Christians. While you contemplate that, let’s play all the great, soul-stirring music composed by atheists.



Besides which, anyone can play that game. Like so:
Joe has an IQ of 125 and Moe has an IQ of 100. Which of these statements would you expect to be true?
*Joe works for a living and creates wealth, while Moe is a university professor.
*Joe is politically conservative, while Moe is still waiting for Obama to lower the sea levels.
*Joe is married with three children, while Moe lives with his mom, smokes a lot of dope, and has sex with his students.
And the correct answer is, “All of the above.”
Your Tuition Dollars at Work: Ohio State Teaches Atheists are Smarter than Christians | Lee Duigon

 

[guno]

....traced to Progressive and Liberal institutions that persuade the most malleable.....

Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton: “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.”
Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111



"U.S. President Barack Obama gives the commencement address to the graduating class of The Ohio State University at Ohio Stadium on May 5, 2013 in Columbus, Ohio.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices."
Obama To Grads: Reject Voices That Warn About Government Tyranny | RealClearPolitics




This is why university graduates tend to be hostile toward the main influence in the founding of this once great nation.


1. "Ohio State University teaches Christians are stupider than atheists

2. ..... Psychology 1100 is a required core class for all students. A quiz offered in that class poses this question:
Theo has an IQ of 100 and Aine has an IQ of 125. Which of the following statements would you expect to be true?
 Theo is more liberal than Aine.
 Theo is an atheist, while Aine is a Christian.
 Aine earns less money than Theo.
 Aine is an atheist, while Theo is a Christian

3. .... the correct answer is the last choice: Aine, with her superior IQ, should be expected to be an atheist. Theo, we assume, should be expected to starve to death trying to figure out how forks and spoons work.





4. According to its class description, OSU’s Psychology 1100 class teaches “Application of the scientific method to the empirical study of behavior with emphasis on individual and cultural differences.”

5. ..... we would like to suggest the following question for the next Psychology 1100 quiz at Ohio State University:
You are a professor of psychology here at OSU. (Go Buckeyes!) Which of the following statements would you expect to be true?
 You are an arrogant, painfully provincial hack.
Ohio State University teaches Christians are stupider than atheists





6. "The whole thing would be too silly to comment on, except for one thing. Ohio State is a publicly funded university, which means that most of its money comes from taxes paid by Christians. I’d say they deserve a refund.

Funny, isn’t it? All the great universities of the Western world were founded by Christians.
In fact, the university was invented by Christians. While you contemplate that, let’s play all the great, soul-stirring music composed by atheists.



Besides which, anyone can play that game. Like so:
Joe has an IQ of 125 and Moe has an IQ of 100. Which of these statements would you expect to be true?
*Joe works for a living and creates wealth, while Moe is a university professor.
*Joe is politically conservative, while Moe is still waiting for Obama to lower the sea levels.
*Joe is married with three children, while Moe lives with his mom, smokes a lot of dope, and has sex with his students.
And the correct answer is, “All of the above.”
Your Tuition Dollars at Work: Ohio State Teaches Atheists are Smarter than Christians | Lee Duigon

As people become more educated in this country they are throwing off primitive backward explanations of the world around them, christianity being one of them


Einstein expressed his skepticism regarding an anthropomorphic deity, often describing it as "naïve" and "childlike". He stated, "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems."

On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from Joseph Dispentiere, an Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was disappointed by a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious. Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

In a letter to Beatrice Frohlich, 17 December 1952 Einstein stated, "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve." Eric Gutkind sent a copy of his book "Choose Life: The Biblical Call To Revolt" to Einstein in 1954. Einstein sent Gutkind a letter in response and wrote, "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text."

On 24 April 1929, Einstein cabled Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein in German: "I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and the doings of mankind." He expanded on this in written answers he gave to a Japanese scholar on his views on science and religion, which appeared as a limited edition publication, on the occasion of Einstein's 50th birthday.

 

[PoliticalChic]

....traced to Progressive and Liberal institutions that persuade the most malleable.....

Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton: “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.”
Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111



"U.S. President Barack Obama gives the commencement address to the graduating class of The Ohio State University at Ohio Stadium on May 5, 2013 in Columbus, Ohio.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices."
Obama To Grads: Reject Voices That Warn About Government Tyranny | RealClearPolitics




This is why university graduates tend to be hostile toward the main influence in the founding of this once great nation.


1. "Ohio State University teaches Christians are stupider than atheists

2. ..... Psychology 1100 is a required core class for all students. A quiz offered in that class poses this question:
Theo has an IQ of 100 and Aine has an IQ of 125. Which of the following statements would you expect to be true?
 Theo is more liberal than Aine.
 Theo is an atheist, while Aine is a Christian.
 Aine earns less money than Theo.
 Aine is an atheist, while Theo is a Christian

3. .... the correct answer is the last choice: Aine, with her superior IQ, should be expected to be an atheist. Theo, we assume, should be expected to starve to death trying to figure out how forks and spoons work.





4. According to its class description, OSU’s Psychology 1100 class teaches “Application of the scientific method to the empirical study of behavior with emphasis on individual and cultural differences.”

5. ..... we would like to suggest the following question for the next Psychology 1100 quiz at Ohio State University:
You are a professor of psychology here at OSU. (Go Buckeyes!) Which of the following statements would you expect to be true?
 You are an arrogant, painfully provincial hack.
Ohio State University teaches Christians are stupider than atheists





6. "The whole thing would be too silly to comment on, except for one thing. Ohio State is a publicly funded university, which means that most of its money comes from taxes paid by Christians. I’d say they deserve a refund.

Funny, isn’t it? All the great universities of the Western world were founded by Christians.
In fact, the university was invented by Christians. While you contemplate that, let’s play all the great, soul-stirring music composed by atheists.



Besides which, anyone can play that game. Like so:
Joe has an IQ of 125 and Moe has an IQ of 100. Which of these statements would you expect to be true?
*Joe works for a living and creates wealth, while Moe is a university professor.
*Joe is politically conservative, while Moe is still waiting for Obama to lower the sea levels.
*Joe is married with three children, while Moe lives with his mom, smokes a lot of dope, and has sex with his students.
And the correct answer is, “All of the above.”
Your Tuition Dollars at Work: Ohio State Teaches Atheists are Smarter than Christians | Lee Duigon

As people become more educated in this country they are throwing off primitive backward explanations of the world around them, christianity being one of them


Einstein expressed his skepticism regarding an anthropomorphic deity, often describing it as "naïve" and "childlike".

In January of 1936, a young girl named Phyllis wrote to Albert Einstein on behalf of her Sunday school class, and asked, "Do scientists pray?"
Dr. Einstein answered as follows:
January 24, 1936

Dear Phyllis,

I will attempt to reply to your question as simply as I can. Here is my answer:

Scientists believe that every occurrence, including the affairs of human beings, is due to the laws of nature. Therefore a scientist cannot be inclined to believe that the course of events can be influenced by prayer, that is, by a supernaturally manifested wish.

However, we must concede that our actual knowledge of these forces is imperfect, so that in the end the belief in the existence of a final, ultimate spirit rests on a kind of faith. Such belief remains widespread even with the current achievements in science.

But also, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that some spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe, one that is vastly superior to that of man. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is surely quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.

With cordial greetings,

your A. Einstein"
Letters of Note: Dear Einstein, Do Scientists Pray?

 

[dilloduck]

As people become more educated in this country they are throwing off primitive backward explanations of the world around them, christianity being one of them

It's a good thing that the modern explanations of the world around us have all the answers.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As people become more educated in this country they are throwing off primitive backward explanations of the world around them, christianity being one of them

It's a good thing that the modern explanations of the world around us have all the answers.

Hey....is this an attack on teleprompters????

 

[dilloduck]

As people become more educated in this country they are throwing off primitive backward explanations of the world around them, christianity being one of them

It's a good thing that the modern explanations of the world around us have all the answers.

Hey....is this an attack on teleprompters????

Well sort of----someone or something has got to give us the updated version of how the world will end.

 

[Steven_R]

It's a good thing that the modern explanations of the world around us have all the answers.

Hey....is this an attack on teleprompters????

Well sort of----someone or something has got to give us the updated version of how the world will end.

In roughly ten billion years, the sun will exhaust its supply of hydrogen, swell up and engulf the entire inner solar system, and the Earth will be a holt molten glob of heavy metals that will be scattered to the cosmos with the Sun's death throws, to be recycled into some new world.

 

[dilloduck]

Hey....is this an attack on teleprompters????

Well sort of----someone or something has got to give us the updated version of how the world will end.

In roughly ten billion years, the sun will exhaust its supply of hydrogen, swell up and engulf the entire inner solar system, and the Earth will be a holt molten glob of heavy metals that will be scattered to the cosmos with the Sun's death throws, to be recycled into some new world.

That's fantastic----who told you that ? Are you sure the human race won't be destroyed in some other fashion before that ?

 

[Steven_R]

That's fantastic----who told you that ?

There are any number of science texts on the subject, but it ultimately comes down to our understanding of the physics of fusion. Some are written for the layman, some are technical in nature. Ask you librarian for help.

Are you sure the human race won't be destroyed in some other fashion before that ?

Nope. But the question wasn't about how humanity will end, but how the world will end. It doesn't with a band or a whimper, but with one last perfect day, an expanding star, and burning.

 

[dilloduck]

That's fantastic----who told you that ?

There are any number of science texts on the subject, but it ultimately comes down to our understanding of the physics of fusion. Some are written for the layman, some are technical in nature. Ask you librarian for help.

Are you sure the human race won't be destroyed in some other fashion before that ?

Nope. But the question wasn't about how humanity will end, but how the world will end. It doesn't with a band or a whimper, but with one last perfect day, an expanding star, and burning.

Ahh well lets cut to the chase. What's going to happen to the human race according to the science prophets ?

 

[Steven_R]

I'm not away of any predictions for the future of humanity, beyond the physics predictions for the end of the solar system and the possible scenarios for the eventual end of the universe. Sooner or later we'll get hit by another large rock with the potential to wipe out humanity so we need to not have all our eggs in one basket, but that's about it.

 

[hobelim]

That's fantastic----who told you that ?

There are any number of science texts on the subject, but it ultimately comes down to our understanding of the physics of fusion. Some are written for the layman, some are technical in nature. Ask you librarian for help.

Are you sure the human race won't be destroyed in some other fashion before that ?

Nope. But the question wasn't about how humanity will end, but how the world will end. It doesn't with a band or a whimper, but with one last perfect day, an expanding star, and burning.

That the world will end someday seems to be a foregone conclusion, given what is known about the universe and solar system.

What can be said of that except , oh well.

However, at the risk of disappointing many religious believers, the prophecies in scripture about the end are not about the end of the world or cosmic catastrophe, they are about the end of the age of darkness where ignorance and superstition reign after social upheaval and change; stars falling from their lofty places, mountains crumbling, and valleys being lifted up. The earth will not be destroyed just yet, but instead there will an elevation of consciousness when the dead come out of their graves and a new heaven and a new earth will be perceived, based on reality as it actually exists.

 

[dilloduck]

I'm not away of any predictions for the future of humanity, beyond the physics predictions for the end of the solar system and the possible scenarios for the eventual end of the universe. Sooner or later we'll get hit by another large rock with the potential to wipe out humanity so we need to not have all our eggs in one basket, but that's about it.

Hell---religions at least are a bit more detailed than that----boring drama. Science give us any clues as to what humans are supposed to be doing here beside reproduce ?

 

[Pennywise]

Most people who are genuinely hostile toward religion or religious people, simply do not wish to believe there is anything greater than themselves, nor any accountability for their actions. They are also the most arrogant among us, assuming that believers are ignorant rubes, yet they (the anti) knows better.

 

[dilloduck]

I think they're secretly jealous----they don't buy the religious stories but they don't have one of their own. Might be a good thing tho----having a story or a theory makes it vulnerable to criticism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hey....is this an attack on teleprompters????

Well sort of----someone or something has got to give us the updated version of how the world will end.

In roughly ten billion years, the sun will exhaust its supply of hydrogen, swell up and engulf the entire inner solar system, and the Earth will be a holt molten glob of heavy metals that will be scattered to the cosmos with the Sun's death throws, to be recycled into some new world.

1. I always appreciate when one who doesn't realize the relationships between nihilism, atheism, and secular science, pops in.

Especially when that individual doesn't recognize his own beliefs.



2. Physicist Victor Stengler writes: “Astronomical observations continue to demonstrate that the earth is no more significant than a single grain of sand on a vast beach.” The more science teaches us about the natural world, the less important the role human beings play in the grand scheme of things.

3. As science writer Tom Bethell notes, “an article of our secular faith that there is nothing exceptional about human life.” Thus, we can add this ‘atheism-article-of-faith’ to the others, materialism, and moral relativism, that form the Cliff-Notes of modern liberalism.
Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion," chapter one.

a. So, it seems that in our time, much of science is involved in an attack on traditional religious thought, and rational men and women must place their faith, and devotion, in this system of belief. And, like any militant church, science places a familiar demand before all others: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
Ibid.


Secular views first proclaim that humans are no different from any other animal....and then comparable to grains of sand.



4. As the old saying goes...'we can only judge others by ourselves.'
I bow to your expertise: perhaps you are no more significant than a grain of sand.


I don't share that view with respect to myself, or any other of the people I've met.

 

[Pennywise]

I think they're secretly jealous----they don't buy the religious stories but they don't have one of their own. Might be a good thing tho----having a story or a theory makes it vulnerable to criticism.

I'm agnostic. I would love to believe, but don't, yet I am not so arrogant (or stupid) as to claim God is not real. I have never been nor would I be hostile toward people of faith. If anything, I envy them in their certainty. Atheists are mostly assholes, plain and simple. There are some here who are just nasty toward believers. I don't know if it's because they truly hate them, or they are jealous, as you said. Regardless, they add nothing good to the public discourse.

 

[dilloduck]

Religions have cool goals like eternal life, being in heaven with your buddies, inner peace, etc. I still haven't heard what kind of goals that the secularists are shooting for.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think they're secretly jealous----they don't buy the religious stories but they don't have one of their own. Might be a good thing tho----having a story or a theory makes it vulnerable to criticism.

I'm agnostic. I would love to believe, but don't, yet I am not so arrogant (or stupid) as to claim God is not real. I have never been nor would I be hostile toward people of faith. If anything, I envy them in their certainty. Atheists are mostly assholes, plain and simple. There are some here who are just nasty toward believers. I don't know if it's because they truly hate them, or they are jealous, as you said. Regardless, they add nothing good to the public discourse.

Shallis, "In the Eye of a Storm." New Scientist, January 19, pp. 42-43, argues that:
“It is no more heretical to say the Universe displays purpose, as Hoyle has done, than to say that it is pointless, as Steven Weinberg has done. Both statements are metaphysical and outside science. . . . This suggests to me that science, in allowing this metaphysical notion, sees itself as religion and presumably as an atheistic religion .”

 

[Pennywise]

Religions have cool goals like eternal life, being in heaven with your buddies, inner peace, etc. I still haven't heard what kind of goals that the secularists are shooting for.

If it feels good, do it. Plus it's also easy to pass laws on euthanasia and other immoral eugenic practices.