Homosexuals - Born or Turn

[rightwinger]

I thought it wasn't any of my business until the gays came out of the closet and are now forcing their sickness on us believing they have the same rights as a race or minority, they don't. It is a CHOICE PERIOD!!!!

I'm sorry I may have missed something important. Could you point out the section in the United States Constitution that says homosexuals done't have rights?

Ya know I remember saying the Pledge of Allegance in school every day, not one time did it end "With liberty and Justice for all, except homosexuals". Did they start a new one recently?

Thank you


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Well, if that's the case, we all should have no problems with gays marrying or serving their country

 

[AmericanFirst]

"The man in the sky says it's a sin"

What a nice way to disguise discrimination. It's a fucking cop out.

Why don't you think for yourselves and give me a valid reason why what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes somehow is detrimental to everyone to the extent that it should be banned or labeled a "sin".

Because the Bible says so. The Bible condemns homoxuality as with all sin. You can not justify homoxuality, period!!!

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Those verses pertaining to us ARE VERY LIKELY NOTHIN MORE THAN RCC REVISIONS AS THEY FLY AGAINST ALL CHRIST'S TEACHINGS, AND THE REST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BIBLE.

Stop being so ignorant dude, and using our faith as a tool for hate. You make us ALL LOOK BAD.

I am not using my faith as a tool for hate. The Bible plainly says homosexuality is wrong. Leviticus 18:v22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination." v29 "for whosover shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people." Leviticus 20: v13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." The Bible is clear about it in both the new and old testaments. If you understand anything just because Jesus didn't specifically say anything against homosexuality, does not make it right. It is not hate I speak, it is the TRUTH.

 

[AmericanFirst]

I thought it wasn't any of my business until the gays came out of the closet and are now forcing their sickness on us believing they have the same rights as a race or minority, they don't. It is a CHOICE PERIOD!!!!

I'm sorry I may have missed something important. Could you point out the section in the United States Constitution that says homosexuals done't have rights?

Ya know I remember saying the Pledge of Allegance in school every day, not one time did it end "With liberty and Justice for all, except homosexuals". Did they start a new one recently?

Thank you in advance.


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You are right, as a human being they have rights protected by the constitution. They DO NOT have the right to force their sexuality down my throat and teach my kid in school it is normal, it is not. It is a preference, nothing more. PERIOD!!

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

I thought it wasn't any of my business until the gays came out of the closet and are now forcing their sickness on us believing they have the same rights as a race or minority, they don't. It is a CHOICE PERIOD!!!!

I'm sorry I may have missed something important. Could you point out the section in the United States Constitution that says homosexuals done't have rights?

Ya know I remember saying the Pledge of Allegance in school every day, not one time did it end "With liberty and Justice for all, except homosexuals". Did they start a new one recently?

Thank you in advance.


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You are right, as a human being they have rights protected by the constitution. They DO NOT have the right to force their sexuality down my throat and teach my kid in school it is normal, it is not. It is a preference, nothing more. PERIOD!!

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[AmericanFirst]

I'm sorry I may have missed something important. Could you point out the section in the United States Constitution that says homosexuals done't have rights?

Ya know I remember saying the Pledge of Allegance in school every day, not one time did it end "With liberty and Justice for all, except homosexuals". Did they start a new one recently?

Thank you in advance.


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You are right, as a human being they have rights protected by the constitution. They DO NOT have the right to force their sexuality down my throat and teach my kid in school it is normal, it is not. It is a preference, nothing more. PERIOD!!

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You are ignorant if you do not believe in the book. Just because I speak the truth scares you so you call me ignorant, it is you that is ignorant. The truth will be known, read The Revelation of Jesus Christ in the new testament, and Daniel in the old testament to find out what happens in the end.

 

[rightwinger]

I thought it wasn't any of my business until the gays came out of the closet and are now forcing their sickness on us believing they have the same rights as a race or minority, they don't. It is a CHOICE PERIOD!!!!

I'm sorry I may have missed something important. Could you point out the section in the United States Constitution that says homosexuals done't have rights?

Ya know I remember saying the Pledge of Allegance in school every day, not one time did it end "With liberty and Justice for all, except homosexuals". Did they start a new one recently?

Thank you in advance.


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You are right, as a human being they have rights protected by the constitution. They DO NOT have the right to force their sexuality down my throat and teach my kid in school it is normal, it is not. It is a preference, nothing more. PERIOD!!

Nobody is forcing you to accept homosexuality. People have a right to choose the person that they love. Homosexuals happen to love people of their own sex. Whatever sexual acts that entails is their own business.

Schools can teach the fact that there are homosexual families and that they are accepted in this country. You are still free to teach your children to hate homosexuals

 

[shintao]

Because the Bible says so. The Bible condemns homoxuality as with all sin. You can not justify homoxuality, period!!!

^^^^^^^

Those verses pertaining to us ARE VERY LIKELY NOTHIN MORE THAN RCC REVISIONS AS THEY FLY AGAINST ALL CHRIST'S TEACHINGS, AND THE REST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BIBLE.

Stop being so ignorant dude, and using our faith as a tool for hate. You make us ALL LOOK BAD.

I am not using my faith as a tool for hate. The Bible plainly says homosexuality is wrong. Leviticus 18:v22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination." v29 "for whosover shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people." Leviticus 20: v13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." The Bible is clear about it in both the new and old testaments. If you understand anything just because Jesus didn't specifically say anything against homosexuality, does not make it right. It is not hate I speak, it is the TRUTH.

So a women can lie with a women. And two women can lie with one man. And butt fucking women is OK. And oral & boob sex is OK. And condoms are OK. It is just this homo thingy.

So is god a homo as genesis says he is. He must have been jealous about other males dipping other males.

And I guess transsexuals made by god are supposed to do what. And child molestation is ok. Being a pedophile made by god is ok. It's just this homo thingy. My my, you really have one strange god. Oh yes, you males cannot masturbate either!!! And you better take up fucking your sister-in-law if your brother dies. That is in the black book as well. Tsk!!

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Because the Bible says so. The Bible condemns homoxuality as with all sin. You can not justify homoxuality, period!!!

The bible also justifies slavery and a number of types of killings. These are also known as illegal and unethical.

I am not a bigot, clueless or closeted and it is ALWAYS a choice. Get back in the closet.

Well, yes, you are a bigot. You hate a group of people for no reason because a book tells you to, even if they have not harmed you or anyone else in any way. That pretty much defines bigot.

I have never been attracted to the same sex.

Wait a minute. You just said it was a choice, and yet you've never actually chosen if you've never been attracted to the same sex. Seems to be a nice little contradiction you just created there.

[The text is not obsolete. Homosexuality is a sin, period. Read the Bible.

It's not obsolete? All of Christianity works on the principles that the OT no longer applies, which is why NONE OF THE LAWS IN IT actually apply. Do you keep Kosher?

I am not using my faith as a tool for hate. The Bible plainly says homosexuality is wrong.

Really? Because that sounds like you are referencing a religious text, and thus using your religion, to hate a group of people. Bigot.

You are right, as a human being they have rights protected by the constitution. They DO NOT have the right to force their sexuality down my throat and teach my kid in school it is normal, it is not. It is a preference, nothing more. PERIOD!!

When was the last time you heard of homosexuality being taught anywhere? Do you think your children will catch the gay virus?

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

You are right, as a human being they have rights protected by the constitution. They DO NOT have the right to force their sexuality down my throat and teach my kid in school it is normal, it is not. It is a preference, nothing more. PERIOD!!

^^^^^^^

You are ignorant if you do not believe in the book. Just because I speak the truth scares you so you call me ignorant, it is you that is ignorant. The truth will be known, read The Revelation of Jesus Christ in the new testament, and Daniel in the old testament to find out what happens in the end.

You fail again.

I rightly expose your ignorance in that I'M GAY, AND AM VASTLY MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE in this field than you. I wasn't referring to the Bible @ all.

It's almost NEVER a choice, I know damn well I AINT choose to be this way, was born this way. My mom had a gay cousin, so makes sense to me that this is in my genes.

I reconciled my religion and sexuality over a decade ago, so you won't be able to cast doubt in my mind hater. There are also waaaay more verses in the Bible condemning HETEROS than there are us, hypocrite.

"JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED"

I try to live for Christ, love him truly, pray deeply. All you seem to do on the other hand is attempt to misuse the Bible to justify your ignorant, bigoted, HATE.

I wonder who he'd frown on more........its YOU.

 

[Douger]

Interesting topic.
Do you murkin stud muffins kiss your gal after you drop a load in her mouth ?
Above my post is a flag. Let me correct.

 

[froggy]

For he said, I have heard you in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored you: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation. Just Believe, Confess, and Accept, its that simple.

 

[logical4u]

Because the Bible says so. The Bible condemns homoxuality as with all sin. You can not justify homoxuality, period!!!

^^^^^^^

Those verses pertaining to us ARE VERY LIKELY NOTHIN MORE THAN RCC REVISIONS AS THEY FLY AGAINST ALL CHRIST'S TEACHINGS, AND THE REST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BIBLE.

Stop being so ignorant dude, and using our faith as a tool for hate. You make us ALL LOOK BAD.

I am not using my faith as a tool for hate. The Bible plainly says homosexuality is wrong. Leviticus 18:v22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination." v29 "for whosover shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people." Leviticus 20: v13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." The Bible is clear about it in both the new and old testaments. If you understand anything just because Jesus didn't specifically say anything against homosexuality, does not make it right. It is not hate I speak, it is the TRUTH.

Yeshua did speak against homosexuality, as well as immoral behavior: he called it lewd and perverse behavior (english translation). That is not hatred for homosexuals. That is calling sin, sin. All of us sin, it just seems that the homosexual extremists are crying that they will not tolerate sinful behavior called as it "is". Should we use "code" words because the homosexual extremists are taking the freedom of speech from those that "disagree" (notice no violence, no call to hate, just plain disagreement), so that the public thinks we are politically correct?

 

[logical4u]

I'm sorry I may have missed something important. Could you point out the section in the United States Constitution that says homosexuals done't have rights?

Ya know I remember saying the Pledge of Allegance in school every day, not one time did it end "With liberty and Justice for all, except homosexuals". Did they start a new one recently?

Thank you in advance.


>>>>

You are right, as a human being they have rights protected by the constitution. They DO NOT have the right to force their sexuality down my throat and teach my kid in school it is normal, it is not. It is a preference, nothing more. PERIOD!!

^^^^^^^

If following the Bible away from socialism, communism, lewd and perverse behavior is considered, non-intellectual, I will proudly declare myself as a non-intellectual (for the rest of us, that means that I have "common sense").

 

[sangha]

I'm not surprised to see that no USMBer realizes that "Genes vs Choice" is wingnut talk

When scientists discuss why an organism behaves a certain way, the question is "Genes Vs ENVIRONMENT

Now you can all go back to your regularly scheduled wingnut debate

 

[rikules]

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Those verses pertaining to us ARE VERY LIKELY NOTHIN MORE THAN RCC REVISIONS AS THEY FLY AGAINST ALL CHRIST'S TEACHINGS, AND THE REST OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BIBLE.

Stop being so ignorant dude, and using our faith as a tool for hate. You make us ALL LOOK BAD.

I am not using my faith as a tool for hate. The Bible plainly says homosexuality is wrong. Leviticus 18:v22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination." v29 "for whosover shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people." Leviticus 20: v13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." The Bible is clear about it in both the new and old testaments. If you understand anything just because Jesus didn't specifically say anything against homosexuality, does not make it right. It is not hate I speak, it is the TRUTH.

Yeshua did speak against homosexuality, as well as immoral behavior: he called it lewd and perverse behavior (english translation). That is not hatred for homosexuals. That is calling sin, sin. All of us sin, it just seems that the homosexual extremists are crying that they will not tolerate sinful behavior called as it "is". Should we use "code" words because the homosexual extremists are taking the freedom of speech from those that "disagree" (notice no violence, no call to hate, just plain disagreement), so that the public thinks we are politically correct?

"Yeshua did speak against homosexuality, as well as immoral behavior: he called it lewd and perverse behavior (english translation). That is not hatred for homosexuals. That is calling sin, sin. All of us sin, it just seems that the homosexual extremists are crying that they will not tolerate sinful behavior called as it "is". Should we use "code" words because the homosexual extremists are taking the freedom of speech from those that "disagree" (notice no violence, no call to hate, just plain disagreement), so that the public thinks we are politically correct?"



1. god, in the bible, also speaks in favor of slavery....

can I assume that you AGREE with god that slavery is a good idea?


or....do you DISAGREE with god on the issue of slavery?


2. homosexuality is only a sin in the eyes and minds of people who believe in god.

people with more rational and logical minds (you really should change your name to something more fitting...) are able to to evaluate these issues more logically.

we don't judge homosexuals simply based on their sexual proclivities.

we know that most homosexuals are decent, hard working people. They live in our neighborhoods, are our friends and family and MOSTLY are "good people"

3. gods' condemning homosexuals as "sinners" is illogical and arbitrary...and just plain wrong...


god is as wrong about homosexuals as he is about slavery....

(golly...how many OTHER issues is god wrong about?)


4. if people like you have a "right" to voice their opinion that "homosexuality is a sin"
then sane and rational people have a "right" to denounce them and defend homosexuals

5. America is a secular nation. you have a right to believe in any religious mumbo jumbo you want to. And homosexuals have a right to be gay.

you can say "homosexuality is a sin" and I can say "no, it is not, god is a wrong"

6. note: no hate speech...just plain disagreement.

7. if most people agreed with you that homosexuality is a sin
and they passed laws against homosexuality
where-upon homosexuals were rounded up and executed...


would you STILL claim that there is no hate in your speech?

is it perfectly ok to kill homosexuals as long as you don't hate them?

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Do you believe that homosexuals and bisexuals are born that way and it is in their genes, or that it's a life choice and they choose to be homosexual or bisexual? I believe that homosexuals/bisexuals choose to be gay/lesbian/bi. Currently no scientific evidence supports that homosexuals are born homosexual.

Doesn't matter. If they're born that way it's a birth defect. If not, its environmental or caused in some other fashion. Either way they should be givin help if they want it. Especially if it can be identified when they're very young.

 

[sangha]

Do you believe that homosexuals and bisexuals are born that way and it is in their genes, or that it's a life choice and they choose to be homosexual or bisexual? I believe that homosexuals/bisexuals choose to be gay/lesbian/bi. Currently no scientific evidence supports that homosexuals are born homosexual.

Doesn't matter. If they're born that way it's a birth defect. If not, its environmental or caused in some other fashion. Either way they should be givin help if they want it. Especially if it can be identified when they're very young.

My theory is that some homosexuality is caused by christian clergymen. In fact, if court testimony is to be believed (and it is), it's not a theory; It's a fact

 

[logical4u]

I am not using my faith as a tool for hate. The Bible plainly says homosexuality is wrong. Leviticus 18:v22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination." v29 "for whosover shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people." Leviticus 20: v13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." The Bible is clear about it in both the new and old testaments. If you understand anything just because Jesus didn't specifically say anything against homosexuality, does not make it right. It is not hate I speak, it is the TRUTH.

Yeshua did speak against homosexuality, as well as immoral behavior: he called it lewd and perverse behavior (english translation). That is not hatred for homosexuals. That is calling sin, sin. All of us sin, it just seems that the homosexual extremists are crying that they will not tolerate sinful behavior called as it "is". Should we use "code" words because the homosexual extremists are taking the freedom of speech from those that "disagree" (notice no violence, no call to hate, just plain disagreement), so that the public thinks we are politically correct?

"Yeshua did speak against homosexuality, as well as immoral behavior: he called it lewd and perverse behavior (english translation). That is not hatred for homosexuals. That is calling sin, sin. All of us sin, it just seems that the homosexual extremists are crying that they will not tolerate sinful behavior called as it "is". Should we use "code" words because the homosexual extremists are taking the freedom of speech from those that "disagree" (notice no violence, no call to hate, just plain disagreement), so that the public thinks we are politically correct?"



1. god, in the bible, also speaks in favor of slavery....

can I assume that you AGREE with god that slavery is a good idea?


or....do you DISAGREE with god on the issue of slavery?


2. homosexuality is only a sin in the eyes and minds of people who believe in god.

people with more rational and logical minds (you really should change your name to something more fitting...) are able to to evaluate these issues more logically.

we don't judge homosexuals simply based on their sexual proclivities.

we know that most homosexuals are decent, hard working people. They live in our neighborhoods, are our friends and family and MOSTLY are "good people"

3. gods' condemning homosexuals as "sinners" is illogical and arbitrary...and just plain wrong...


god is as wrong about homosexuals as he is about slavery....

(golly...how many OTHER issues is god wrong about?)


4. if people like you have a "right" to voice their opinion that "homosexuality is a sin"
then sane and rational people have a "right" to denounce them and defend homosexuals

5. America is a secular nation. you have a right to believe in any religious mumbo jumbo you want to. And homosexuals have a right to be gay.

you can say "homosexuality is a sin" and I can say "no, it is not, god is a wrong"

6. note: no hate speech...just plain disagreement.

7. if most people agreed with you that homosexuality is a sin
and they passed laws against homosexuality
where-upon homosexuals were rounded up and executed...


would you STILL claim that there is no hate in your speech?

is it perfectly ok to kill homosexuals as long as you don't hate them?

Slavery still exists in many parts of the world. How many non-Christians are trying to stop it? How many "Christians" are being asked for donations [for aids, for hunger, for natural disaster rebuilding, human trafficing (that would be slavery)] to help stop what every person on earth can see is wrong? Are you saying that Christians should just be silent for all sins: child molestation, forced prostitution, murder, rape, etc?

If a frog had pockets, he could carry a pistol and shoot snakes (Maj Lago). Are addicts rounded up and executed? Are alcoholics? We also say these are sins. We want them to do better (like we, as sinners, also need to do better).

Adulterers (those homosexual extremists like to bring that group into the arguement) are not claiming their behavior is not sinful. They are not teaching school children that it is acceptable behavior in a "relationship". Only homosexual extremists are declaring themselves "pure". Who are they or you to declare something "pure" when the Lord, Himself declared it to be a sin? What authority do you have to tell homosexuals they will be safe from the judgement of the Lord when they are acting in a sinful way?

That was the whole purpose of the NT: for the Lord to be able to forgive us for our sins by asking for forgiveness and to overcome our sinful nature thru His grace. You are misleading any that listen to you that homosexual behavior is NOT a sin. That is something the Lord will want to discuss with you.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Jeez I strike out like 4 or 5 times on that list.

You must be a heckuva nice person then. Sad.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Do you believe that homosexuals and bisexuals are born that way and it is in their genes, or that it's a life choice and they choose to be homosexual or bisexual? I believe that homosexuals/bisexuals choose to be gay/lesbian/bi. Currently no scientific evidence supports that homosexuals are born homosexual.

Doesn't matter. If they're born that way it's a birth defect. If not, its environmental or caused in some other fashion. Either way they should be givin help if they want it. Especially if it can be identified when they're very young.

My theory is that some homosexuality is caused by christian clergymen. In fact, if court testimony is to be believed (and it is), it's not a theory; It's a fact

Whatever the case the homosexuals need help. Not encouragement nor appeasment.