HOLY COW--Look at the purple UNION shirts campaining for SCOTT BROWN in MASS!

[noose4]

You need to read an historical account of the depression. It's called, " The Forgotten Man," it is an historical account of exactly what happened with dates and time lines, what they unemployment rate was, what policies were enacted, etc. It also shows that many of FDR's cabinet went to see what Stalin was doing in Russia and they were impressed with it. It is also very clear with the dates, the unemployment rates etc. just what got us out ot the great depression and it was World War 11.

An opinion piece is not a historical account it is some one's opinion on historical events and actions.

Try googling the book you will notice all titles like this one-- all claiming HISTORICAL.Book Review: The Forgotten Man - A New History of the Great Depression by Amity Shlaes - Blogcritics Books

Book Review: The Forgotten Man - A New History of the Great Depression by Amity Shales - Blogcritics Books

The Forgotten Man is an important political and historical work. It is a timely rumination for voters in the current economic climate and should be on the read list for every informed American citizen before they take to the voting booths in November.

Did you happen to notice the word," HISTORICAL". It's a difficult read, but I read it. It's more of a study on the Great Depression.

From one perspective or "opinion" many dispute the claims made by this book.

 

[oreo]

The unions are the blue collar joe's, and though the Democrats are not perfect they are not anti labor like the Republicans are.

No. They aren't. They're just another voting bloc for the DNC, sprinkled liberally with bullshit down on the Democrat Plantation so their votes and campaign contributions can be harvested every two years.

It's beyond imagination to believe that every working man in this country belongs to some kind of labor union, and yet... it's alway the fucking unions in the lifeboats while Blue-Collar Joe is left to drown.

Maybe not.

The ORIGINAL tea partiers--which is MASS--may be BACK.

GO SCOTT BROWN

 

[noose4]

The unions are the blue collar joe's, and though the Democrats are not perfect they are not anti labor like the Republicans are.

No. They aren't. They're just another voting bloc for the DNC, sprinkled liberally with bullshit down on the Democrat Plantation so their votes and campaign contributions can be harvested every two years.

It's beyond imagination to believe that every working man in this country belongs to some kind of labor union, and yet... it's alway the fucking unions in the lifeboats while Blue-Collar Joe is left to drown.

Of course we are a voting block for the DNC, why would we as union members vote for the Republicans who are anti union?

 

[Maple]

Tuesday night I plan on getting my popcorn & beer out--& that night I will be watching the "dumb down America channel" aka MSNBC--to watch Criss Mathews pea down his leg--

I guess we'll see what happens. I am not frothing at the mouth over it either way.

I just wish cons would decide if they love or hate organized labor.

That's all.

Wanna- know something, don't tell anyone!!!!! There's a lot of Union members that are conservatives. Please, please keep it a secret. LOLOLOLO

 

[noose4]

Tuesday night I plan on getting my popcorn & beer out--& that night I will be watching the "dumb down America channel" aka MSNBC--to watch Criss Mathews pea down his leg--

I guess we'll see what happens. I am not frothing at the mouth over it either way.

I just wish cons would decide if they love or hate organized labor.

That's all.

Wanna- know something, don't tell anyone!!!!! There's a lot of Union members that are conservatives.

And they foolishly vote against their own livelihoods when they vote republican.

 

[Maple]

An opinion piece is not a historical account it is some one's opinion on historical events and actions.

Try googling the book you will notice all titles like this one-- all claiming HISTORICAL.Book Review: The Forgotten Man - A New History of the Great Depression by Amity Shlaes - Blogcritics Books

Book Review: The Forgotten Man - A New History of the Great Depression by Amity Shales - Blogcritics Books

The Forgotten Man is an important political and historical work. It is a timely rumination for voters in the current economic climate and should be on the read list for every informed American citizen before they take to the voting booths in November.

Did you happen to notice the word," HISTORICAL". It's a difficult read, but I read it. It's more of a study on the Great Depression.

From one perspective or "opinion" many dispute the claims made by this book.

Would you care to provide the link to your information, ya know, I do read. Otherwise, it's just your opinion and you know what is said about opinions. Everyone has one, even the dumbest of the dumb.

 

[geauxtohell]

Tuesday night I plan on getting my popcorn & beer out--& that night I will be watching the "dumb down America channel" aka MSNBC--to watch Criss Mathews pea down his leg--

I guess we'll see what happens. I am not frothing at the mouth over it either way.

I just wish cons would decide if they love or hate organized labor.

That's all.

Wanna- know something, don't tell anyone!!!!! There's a lot of Union members that are conservatives. Please, please keep it a secret. LOLOLOLO

I believe you. I think the GOP has done a masterful job of convincing people that the job of government is the to regulate the "three Gs" and not to create economic opportunity.

If people want to vote against their economic best interest based on the "culture wars" that is their prerogative, but I certainly think it's foolish.

 

[Modbert]

Without the rich, there is no one to give charity to the poor.

But the misery is spread equally.

Pretty sure all those millions raised for the Haiti Relief is not from just the rich. But hey, I guess you wanted to get your daily intake of ignorant statements early huh?

 

[Meister]

I guess we'll see what happens. I am not frothing at the mouth over it either way.

I just wish cons would decide if they love or hate organized labor.

That's all.

Wanna- know something, don't tell anyone!!!!! There's a lot of Union members that are conservatives.

And they foolishly vote against their own livelihoods when they vote republican.

Riiiiiiight. Thanks for the smile

 

[Maple]

I guess we'll see what happens. I am not frothing at the mouth over it either way.

I just wish cons would decide if they love or hate organized labor.

That's all.

Wanna- know something, don't tell anyone!!!!! There's a lot of Union members that are conservatives. Please, please keep it a secret. LOLOLOLO

I believe you. I think the GOP has done a masterful job of convincing people that the job of government is the to regulate the "three Gs" and not to create economic opportunity.

If people want to vote against their economic best interest based on the "culture wars" that is their prerogative, but I certainly think it's foolish.

I think that the conservatives have figured out that the government is the CONSUMER of wealth and NOT the CREATOR of wealth. Private industry CREATES wealth in the economy therefore CREATES growth and jobs and opportunities.

 

[geauxtohell]

Try googling the book you will notice all titles like this one-- all claiming HISTORICAL.Book Review: The Forgotten Man - A New History of the Great Depression by Amity Shlaes - Blogcritics Books

Book Review: The Forgotten Man - A New History of the Great Depression by Amity Shales - Blogcritics Books

The Forgotten Man is an important political and historical work. It is a timely rumination for voters in the current economic climate and should be on the read list for every informed American citizen before they take to the voting booths in November.

Did you happen to notice the word," HISTORICAL". It's a difficult read, but I read it. It's more of a study on the Great Depression.

From one perspective or "opinion" many dispute the claims made by this book.

Would you care to provide the link to your information, ya know, I do read. Otherwise, it's just your opinion and you know what is said about opinions. Everyone has one, even the dumbest of the dumb.

The book is also an opinion. No matter how well written or researched, it's all speculative. The only thing that is not up for debate is what happened. FDR got us through the depression and World War II.

People, with the benefit of a chicken in their pot, can quibble now about his "socialist" policies, but the country was in big frigging trouble and he saved it.

Obviously not everyone in America at that time liked FDR, but enough people liked him to elect him four times.

This notion that the invisible hand of the market would have eventually corrected everything is bullshit. That's exactly what Hoover believed and that's exactly what landed us in hot water.

Hoover was a good man, he just believed too strongly in American exceptionalism and refused to intervene during a crisis. Truman was also a good man for allowing him to end his public career with dignity.

 

[geauxtohell]

I think that the conservatives have figured out that the government is the CONSUMER of wealth and NOT the CREATOR of wealth. Private industry CREATES wealth in the economy therefore CREATES growth and jobs and opportunities.

Oh so the party line goes.

I mean, that was the logic behind "voodoo economics" right? What's good for Chrysler is good for America?

I kind of like this talking point: "Conservatives claim that government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it."

I just want things to be fair. If a capitalist system was inherently fair to the workers, there would be no unions today.

 

[hubblerules]

I was against the bail outs of the big companies, more so the banks and financial houses because at least the gm bail out saved some good blue collar type jobs.

I'm out of time today... and the laundry list of EVERYTHING that stunk about how Obama handled the automakers is too long to get into. Suffice to say, that these manufacturers still managed to lay off ALOT of people and also move plants overseas.

Check out Spring Hill, TN for one, where the Saturn plant they relied so heavily on went belly-up. Initially, Roger Penske stepped in to buy it up, but then GM refused to give him manufacturing support past 2011. Now, that whole little town and all the dealerships relying on Saturn are in the shitter.

This isn't about "blue collar" jobs. It's about picking winners and losers... and, as always, keeping the unions coming out for Democrats. Note that it's the unions who get the life boats... not the "blue collar" joes.

I couldn't agree more - and this picking winners/losers based on crony political reasons is what has turned me from a supporter of the health care reform movement to an adament opponent...

This deal smacks of discrimination and buying votes while screwing the nation as a whole in the process - just as the Nebraska and Louisiana sweat-heart deals did also.

 

[SwingVoter]

to watch Criss Mathews pea down his leg

this isn't over, Romney pulled even in the polls with Kennedy in '94, and lost by 17

 

[Maple]

From one perspective or "opinion" many dispute the claims made by this book.

Would you care to provide the link to your information, ya know, I do read. Otherwise, it's just your opinion and you know what is said about opinions. Everyone has one, even the dumbest of the dumb.

The book is also an opinion. No matter how well written or researched, it's all speculative. The only thing that is not up for debate is what happened. FDR got us through the depression and World War II.

People, with the benefit of a chicken in their pot, can quibble now about his "socialist" policies, but the country was in big frigging trouble and he saved it.

Obviously not everyone in America at that time liked FDR, but enough people liked him to elect him four times.

This notion that the invisible hand of the market would have eventually corrected everything is bullshit. That's exactly what Hoover believed and that's exactly what landed us in hot water.

Hoover was a good man, he just believed too strongly in American exceptionalism and refused to intervene during a crisis. Truman was also a good man for allowing him to end his public career with dignity.

Oh yeah, he got us through the depression, he was a 4 term President and died shortly into his 4th term. The discussion is did his " New Deal, " cause the end of the depression. It didn't it was World War 11 that did.

All you have to do is read the time line in this book with dates and details about the unemployment rate and with dates of policies that were enacted to see that the New deal did not work.

 

[Maple]

to watch Criss Mathews pea down his leg

this isn't over, Romney pulled even in the polls with Kennedy in '94, and lost by 17

No, it's not over, but I can't wait until Tuesday night to see who pulls it off in Massachusetts. Until then, I will keep praying for a Brown win to end the fillibuster proof senate that is currently in charge.

 

[geauxtohell]

Oh yeah, he got us through the depression, he was a 4 term President and died shortly into his 4th term. The discussion is did his " New Deal, " cause the end of the depression. It didn't it was World War 11 that did.

It was both. Only a wingnut or a partisan would say otherwise.

All you have to do is read the time line in this book with dates and details about the unemployment rate and with dates of policies that were enacted to see that the New deal did not work.

I'd rather read a history book than listen to someone else Monday morning quarterback the issue. As I pointed out, Hoover believed in letting the market correct itself and drove us full throttle into the depression.

Of course, now that we aren't starving and people generally have jobs, a spoiled segment of our society can say FDR screwed it all up.

However, the only thing that matters is what happened.

We are still here, aren't we?

I know it kills you guys to give credit where it is due, but there is a reason that FDR is ranked as one of the greatest presidents in history.

 

[geauxtohell]

to watch Criss Mathews pea down his leg

this isn't over, Romney pulled even in the polls with Kennedy in '94, and lost by 17

No, it's not over, but I can't wait until Tuesday night to see who pulls it off in Massachusetts. Until then, I will keep praying for a Brown win to end the fillibuster proof senate that is currently in charge.

You think God gives a damn about who the new junior senator from Massachusetts is?

 

[Maple]

I was against the bail outs of the big companies, more so the banks and financial houses because at least the gm bail out saved some good blue collar type jobs.

I'm out of time today... and the laundry list of EVERYTHING that stunk about how Obama handled the automakers is too long to get into. Suffice to say, that these manufacturers still managed to lay off ALOT of people and also move plants overseas.

Check out Spring Hill, TN for one, where the Saturn plant they relied so heavily on went belly-up. Initially, Roger Penske stepped in to buy it up, but then GM refused to give him manufacturing support past 2011. Now, that whole little town and all the dealerships relying on Saturn are in the shitter.

This isn't about "blue collar" jobs. It's about picking winners and losers... and, as always, keeping the unions coming out for Democrats. Note that it's the unions who get the life boats... not the "blue collar" joes.

I couldn't agree more - and this picking winners/losers based on crony political reasons is what has turned me from a supporter of the health care reform movement to an adament opponent...

This deal smacks of discrimination and buying votes while screwing the nation as a whole in the process - just as the Nebraska and Louisiana sweat-heart deals did also.

You changed your mind on health care?? So did many millions of other Americans. The latest backroom deal is the one made with Union heads, that Unions won't have to pay taxes on their cadillac plans while everyone else will. Cronizm, you betcha, politics as usual, you betcha. I am happy that you changed your mind.

Health care reform needs to happen, but definitely not this one. Start with tort reform, opening competition among the states, promoting HSA's- with pre-tax dollars, high deductible inexpensive catastrophic plans, allow small business to group, legislate that insurance is portable and legislate no pre-exising conditions and you will have 90% of Americans in support of it with bi-partisan support.

That's why the current debate is NOT about health care reform, it's about the takeover of 6% of our economy by the federal government. Their desire is to control you, make health care decisions for you, control more and more of your money, and eventually socialize health care for all times.

 

[oreo]

The unions are the blue collar joe's, and though the Democrats are not perfect they are not anti labor like the Republicans are.

No. They aren't. They're just another voting bloc for the DNC, sprinkled liberally with bullshit down on the Democrat Plantation so their votes and campaign contributions can be harvested every two years.

It's beyond imagination to believe that every working man in this country belongs to some kind of labor union, and yet... it's alway the fucking unions in the lifeboats while Blue-Collar Joe is left to drown.

Of course we are a voting block for the DNC, why would we as union members vote for the Republicans who are anti union?

I know lots of union workers--one of them my brother--who votes his personal opinions--on what he believes is good for the country & not a voting block--aka-special interest group.

Many union members feel that way. In other words--it's not about me, me, me--it's about "we the people."