Hmmm...I thought churches didn't have to worry about performing gay marriages...what about this...

[TooTall]

So both extremes are being silly here.

Congrats to the pastors for making the payment for pastor services gratuitous.

Of course, if the wedding chapel is a business, the gays can demand the owners to provide a pastor who will marry them.

How about a gay Justice of the Peace. I believe they are empowered to perform weddings. They can demand all they want too, but there is no possibility of a demand for a Pastor that would be, or should be honored.

 

[Syriusly]

society never adapts to mental illness, never incorporates it into the definition of normal.

Female hysteria used to be considered a mental illness.

Oddly enough society adapted- and decided that getting upset not only wasn't just a female trait- it wasn't a mental illness.

Women And Hysteria In The History Of Mental Health

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

No actually I'm not. Do you know why young people are turning away from organized religion?

Is that a trick question or something? Because they're young and they're doing what you people have always done, turn away from religion.

Then they mature and turn back to religion. You think hippies in 1968 got dressed up in their Sunday best every Sunday morning and went to church and then went home and baked themselves a fresh batch of hash brownies and dropped some Quaaludes? No, they were godless freaks. Look at what happened to that generation as they grew up. That 22 year old hippie in 1968 is 68 this year, part of the most religious age demographic in the nation.

Then, of course there is this:

There is one life event, though, that greatly accelerates a person’s shift to the right, and it often occurs in the 30s: parenthood. Its political impact is easy to see among a cohort of Canadian college students studied by psychologist Robert Altemeyer. Their scores on an ideology test at age 22 grew more conservative by an average of 5.4 percent when they were retested at 30. But among those 30-year-olds who’d had children, conservatism increased by 9.4 percent.
​

As with conservatism, religion also comes back into people's lives when they become parents. Hedonism is fun when you're single, but few parents want to ground their kids' lives in hedonism and religion becomes a valuable tool in helping to raise children.

Conservatism doesn't not equal homophobic bigot. The only religious group still being haters are the evangelicals...so they'll be the last to adapt, but adapt they will.

Homosexuality expresses as a mental illnessl.

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Pay , or threaten , the AMA enough and I'm sure they would change the mental disorder diagnosis manual for the faggots again.

How does something go from being a mental illness, to not being a mental illness? I mean if you say "okay it's more common now, that just means more people have the mental illness now than used to"

Being a dude and wanted some cock is a mental disorder. Being a chick and wanting the puthy is also a mental disorder.

 

[Seawytch]

So both extremes are being silly here.

Congrats to the pastors for making the payment for pastor services gratuitous.

Of course, if the wedding chapel is a business, the gays can demand the owners to provide a pastor who will marry them.

How about a gay Justice of the Peace. I believe they are empowered to perform weddings. They can demand all they want too, but there is no possibility of a demand for a Pastor that would be, or should be honored.

The for profit chapel can hire a non bigoted person to perform the ceremonies they have a religious objection to...or they can become an actual church and forgo the cash.

 

[Seawytch]

No actually I'm not. Do you know why young people are turning away from organized religion?

Is that a trick question or something? Because they're young and they're doing what you people have always done, turn away from religion.

Then they mature and turn back to religion. You think hippies in 1968 got dressed up in their Sunday best every Sunday morning and went to church and then went home and baked themselves a fresh batch of hash brownies and dropped some Quaaludes? No, they were godless freaks. Look at what happened to that generation as they grew up. That 22 year old hippie in 1968 is 68 this year, part of the most religious age demographic in the nation.

Then, of course there is this:

There is one life event, though, that greatly accelerates a person’s shift to the right, and it often occurs in the 30s: parenthood. Its political impact is easy to see among a cohort of Canadian college students studied by psychologist Robert Altemeyer. Their scores on an ideology test at age 22 grew more conservative by an average of 5.4 percent when they were retested at 30. But among those 30-year-olds who’d had children, conservatism increased by 9.4 percent.
​

As with conservatism, religion also comes back into people's lives when they become parents. Hedonism is fun when you're single, but few parents want to ground their kids' lives in hedonism and religion becomes a valuable tool in helping to raise children.

Conservatism doesn't not equal homophobic bigot. The only religious group still being haters are the evangelicals...so they'll be the last to adapt, but adapt they will.

Homosexuality expresses as a mental illnessl.

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Pay , or threaten , the AMA enough and I'm sure they would change the mental disorder diagnosis manual for the faggots again.

How does something go from being a mental illness, to not being a mental illness? I mean if you say "okay it's more common now, that just means more people have the mental illness now than used to"

Being a dude and wanted some cock is a mental disorder. Being a chick and wanting the puthy is also a mental disorder.

It's called science. Look into it.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Is that a trick question or something? Because they're young and they're doing what you people have always done, turn away from religion.

Then they mature and turn back to religion. You think hippies in 1968 got dressed up in their Sunday best every Sunday morning and went to church and then went home and baked themselves a fresh batch of hash brownies and dropped some Quaaludes? No, they were godless freaks. Look at what happened to that generation as they grew up. That 22 year old hippie in 1968 is 68 this year, part of the most religious age demographic in the nation.

Then, of course there is this:

There is one life event, though, that greatly accelerates a person’s shift to the right, and it often occurs in the 30s: parenthood. Its political impact is easy to see among a cohort of Canadian college students studied by psychologist Robert Altemeyer. Their scores on an ideology test at age 22 grew more conservative by an average of 5.4 percent when they were retested at 30. But among those 30-year-olds who’d had children, conservatism increased by 9.4 percent.
​

As with conservatism, religion also comes back into people's lives when they become parents. Hedonism is fun when you're single, but few parents want to ground their kids' lives in hedonism and religion becomes a valuable tool in helping to raise children.

Conservatism doesn't not equal homophobic bigot. The only religious group still being haters are the evangelicals...so they'll be the last to adapt, but adapt they will.

Homosexuality expresses as a mental illnessl.

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Pay , or threaten , the AMA enough and I'm sure they would change the mental disorder diagnosis manual for the faggots again.

How does something go from being a mental illness, to not being a mental illness? I mean if you say "okay it's more common now, that just means more people have the mental illness now than used to"

Being a dude and wanted some cock is a mental disorder. Being a chick and wanting the puthy is also a mental disorder.

It's called science. Look into it.

Great, then you could EASILY point to the gay gene right?

 

[Syriusly]

No actually I'm not. Do you know why young people are turning away from organized religion?

Is that a trick question or something? Because they're young and they're doing what you people have always done, turn away from religion.

Then they mature and turn back to religion. You think hippies in 1968 got dressed up in their Sunday best every Sunday morning and went to church and then went home and baked themselves a fresh batch of hash brownies and dropped some Quaaludes? No, they were godless freaks. Look at what happened to that generation as they grew up. That 22 year old hippie in 1968 is 68 this year, part of the most religious age demographic in the nation.

Then, of course there is this:

There is one life event, though, that greatly accelerates a person’s shift to the right, and it often occurs in the 30s: parenthood. Its political impact is easy to see among a cohort of Canadian college students studied by psychologist Robert Altemeyer. Their scores on an ideology test at age 22 grew more conservative by an average of 5.4 percent when they were retested at 30. But among those 30-year-olds who’d had children, conservatism increased by 9.4 percent.
​

As with conservatism, religion also comes back into people's lives when they become parents. Hedonism is fun when you're single, but few parents want to ground their kids' lives in hedonism and religion becomes a valuable tool in helping to raise children.

Conservatism doesn't not equal homophobic bigot. The only religious group still being haters are the evangelicals...so they'll be the last to adapt, but adapt they will.

Homosexuality expresses as a mental illnessl.

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Being a dude and wanted some cock is a mental disorder. Being a chick and wanting the puthy is also a mental disorder.

Being a human being and being bigoted towards people because they are attracted to the same gender is a mental disorder.

Frankly, even caring whether someone likes 'cock' or 'puthy' is probably some form of sexual disorder.....

 

[Rikurzhen]

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Shame on you for being a homophobephobe and a bigotphobe. You're picking on people who were BORN THAT WAY. That's wrong. You need to accept them as they are rather than send them to reparative therapy.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Is that a trick question or something? Because they're young and they're doing what you people have always done, turn away from religion.

Then they mature and turn back to religion. You think hippies in 1968 got dressed up in their Sunday best every Sunday morning and went to church and then went home and baked themselves a fresh batch of hash brownies and dropped some Quaaludes? No, they were godless freaks. Look at what happened to that generation as they grew up. That 22 year old hippie in 1968 is 68 this year, part of the most religious age demographic in the nation.

Then, of course there is this:

There is one life event, though, that greatly accelerates a person’s shift to the right, and it often occurs in the 30s: parenthood. Its political impact is easy to see among a cohort of Canadian college students studied by psychologist Robert Altemeyer. Their scores on an ideology test at age 22 grew more conservative by an average of 5.4 percent when they were retested at 30. But among those 30-year-olds who’d had children, conservatism increased by 9.4 percent.
​

As with conservatism, religion also comes back into people's lives when they become parents. Hedonism is fun when you're single, but few parents want to ground their kids' lives in hedonism and religion becomes a valuable tool in helping to raise children.

Conservatism doesn't not equal homophobic bigot. The only religious group still being haters are the evangelicals...so they'll be the last to adapt, but adapt they will.

Homosexuality expresses as a mental illnessl.

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Being a dude and wanted some cock is a mental disorder. Being a chick and wanting the puthy is also a mental disorder.

Being a human being and being bigoted towards people because they are attracted to the same gender is a mental disorder.

Frankly, even caring whether someone likes 'cock' or 'puthy' is probably some form of sexual disorder.....

Once again, you are a mental midget.

I have NEVER said I would discriminate against queers. I HAVE said that I defend the rights of those who would.

No different than I would not marry a person of the same sex, but I DO defend a faggots right to do so.

 

[TooTall]

So both extremes are being silly here.

Congrats to the pastors for making the payment for pastor services gratuitous.

Of course, if the wedding chapel is a business, the gays can demand the owners to provide a pastor who will marry them.

How about a gay Justice of the Peace. I believe they are empowered to perform weddings. They can demand all they want too, but there is no possibility of a demand for a Pastor that would be, or should be honored.

The for profit chapel can hire a non bigoted person to perform the ceremonies they have a religious objection to...or they can become an actual church and forgo the cash.

After seeing the Wedding Chapel advertisement and the very first thing provided for a wedding service is a Minister, the Wedding Chapel may have a problem.

Pastors, or Ministers are not bigots. They are men that believe what it says in the Bible about a homosexual act being a sin, and believe the Bible is written by men who were divinely inspired to write the word of God. Since we are all sinners, and the forgiveness of sins is what religion is all about. To ask, let alone require a Christian man to condone what he believes to be a sin is unrealistic.

I realize that is difficult for those who believe there is no God to comprehend, but they really should try.

 

[Syriusly]

Conservatism doesn't not equal homophobic bigot. The only religious group still being haters are the evangelicals...so they'll be the last to adapt, but adapt they will.

Homosexuality expresses as a mental illnessl.

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Being a dude and wanted some cock is a mental disorder. Being a chick and wanting the puthy is also a mental disorder.

Being a human being and being bigoted towards people because they are attracted to the same gender is a mental disorder.

Frankly, even caring whether someone likes 'cock' or 'puthy' is probably some form of sexual disorder.....

Once again, you are a mental midget.

I have NEVER said I would discriminate against queers. I HAVE said that I defend the rights of those who would.

No different than I would not marry a person of the same sex, but I DO defend a faggots right to do so.

And where did I say you would discriminate?

Here is what I said:

Being a human being and being bigoted towards people because they are attracted to the same gender is a mental disorder.

Frankly, even caring whether someone likes 'cock' or 'puthy' is probably some form of sexual disorder...

You are very sensitive for someone who loves to use call homosexuals names. .

 

[Syriusly]

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Shame on you for being a homophobephobe and a bigotphobe. You're picking on people who were BORN THAT WAY. That's wrong. You need to accept them as they are rather than send them to reparative therapy.

I haven't suggested that bigots and homophobes need to be forced into treatment.

Shockingly- you are wrong again.

 

[Rikurzhen]

And where did I say you would discriminate?

Here is what I said:

Being a human being and being bigoted towards people because they are attracted to the same gender is a mental disorder.

It would be a disorder if it led to behavior which was suboptimal. Throughout history homosexuals have been cauldrons of disease. It would be entirely rational to avoid walking disease factories.

Avoiding disease is not a manifestation of mental illness.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Shame on you for being a homophobephobe and a bigotphobe. You're picking on people who were BORN THAT WAY. That's wrong. You need to accept them as they are rather than send them to reparative therapy.

I haven't suggested that bigots and homophobes need to be forced into treatment.

Shockingly- you are wrong again.

Quit trying to change them. Love them for who they are.

 

[Syriusly]

Pastors, or Ministers are not bigots. They are men that believe what it says in the Bible about a homosexual act being a sin, and believe the Bible is written by men who were divinely inspired to write the word of God. Since we are all sinners, and the forgiveness of sins is what religion is all about. To ask, let alone require a Christian man to condone what he believes to be a sin is unrealistic.
.

There are two issues here- bigotry and faith.

See I think that

I think homophobia and bigotry expresses as a mental illness.

Shame on you for being a homophobephobe and a bigotphobe. You're picking on people who were BORN THAT WAY. That's wrong. You need to accept them as they are rather than send them to reparative therapy.

I haven't suggested that bigots and homophobes need to be forced into treatment.

Shockingly- you are wrong again.

Quit trying to change them. Love them for who they are.

Quit telling people who they should love.

 

[Syriusly]

And where did I say you would discriminate?

Here is what I said:

Being a human being and being bigoted towards people because they are attracted to the same gender is a mental disorder.

It would be a disorder if it led to behavior which was suboptimal.

Bigotry and homophobia's are disorders which have led to behavior which was suboptimal- bigotry has led to the deaths of millions worldwide- and homophobia has led to murder and assault- even the mass murder of homosexuals.

 

[Rikurzhen]

And where did I say you would discriminate?

Here is what I said:

Being a human being and being bigoted towards people because they are attracted to the same gender is a mental disorder.

It would be a disorder if it led to behavior which was suboptimal.

Bigotry and homophobia's are disorders which have led to behavior which was suboptimal- bigotry has led to the deaths of millions worldwide- and homophobia has led to murder and assault- even the mass murder of homosexuals.

Homosexuals are walking plague carriers:

The data, presented at CDC's 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women.

The range was 522-989 cases of new HIV diagnoses per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men and 13 per 100,000 women.

The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women, the analysis says. The range was 91-173 cases per 100,000 MSM vs. 2 per 100,000 other men and 1 per 100,000 women.

While CDC data have shown for several years that gay and bisexual men make up the majority of new HIV and new syphilis infections, CDC has estimated the rates of these diseases for the first time based on new estimates of the size of the U.S. population of MSM. Because disease rates account for differences in the size of populations being compared, rates provide a reliable method for assessing health disparities between populations.

"While the heavy toll of HIV and syphilis among gay and bisexual men has been long recognized, this analysis shows just how stark the health disparities are between this and other populations," said Kevin Fenton, M.D., director of CDC's National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention. "It is clear that we will not be able to stop the U.S. HIV epidemic until every affected community, along with health officials nationwide, prioritize the needs of gay and bisexual men with HIV prevention efforts.​

 

[MaryL]

We all have the same rights. That is probably the most profound thing I can say here. Gays also have the same rights, so do lefties. Left handed people, I mean. Same rights, no less, no more. Gays buy up lawyers and buy rights, and popular opinion now. Or so it seems. One day we as a culture are really going to regret deeming Gays as equal to heterosexuals. Homosexuality will be seen for what it is, petty sexual dysfunction, and nothing that merits special rights. Don't let me be the one that says: I told you so. Gays will just be the next generation's form or polio or whatnot. Special rights my sweet bippy.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I think that society should pressure faggots to stop being faggots. I'd NEVER support a law against being a faggot though *wink wink*

 

[Syriusly]

And where did I say you would discriminate?

Here is what I said:

Being a human being and being bigoted towards people because they are attracted to the same gender is a mental disorder.

It would be a disorder if it led to behavior which was suboptimal.

Bigotry and homophobia's are disorders which have led to behavior which was suboptimal- bigotry has led to the deaths of millions worldwide- and homophobia has led to murder and assault- even the mass murder of homosexuals.

Homosexuals are walking plague carriers:

​

Men are walking time bombs.

Men are overwhelmingly responsible for murder, rape and assault

Men commit 99.8% of all rapes- http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF
Men commit 90% of all murders in America.
Men commit around 90% of all child sex abuse in America

Men are walking time bombs.

And not surprising- the violent bigots and homophobes tend to be almost entirely men.