Hispanic group to GOP: Watch your language

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As is so often the case, Republican's can't be depended on to do the right thing but-----but hocus-pocus (see Frank Luntz) language -- no problem.



Hispanic group to GOP congressmen: Watch your language - The Hill's Ballot Box


By Cameron Joseph
01/28/13

A leading GOP Hispanic group has a message for Republicans as Congress begins debate on immigration: Watch your language.​

The Hispanic Leadership Network... <snip>​

"Tone and rhetoric will be key... <snip>​

Many Republican operatives have been as or more worried about their party's rhetoric on immigration and immigrants than their actual policy positions... <snip>​

The memo suggests that Republican senators and congressmen refer to "undocumented immigrant" rather than "illegals" or "aliens" and that they never use the phrase "anchor babies." It also warns Republicans against using the term "amnesty" to describe the plan, and suggests attacking President Obama for not pushing earlier for a plan.​

Here's the full list:
"When engaging in conversation or doing an interview on immigration reform:
Do acknowledge that 'Our current immigration system is broken and we need to fix it'
Don’t begin with 'We are against amnesty'
Note: Most everyone is against amnesty and this is interpreted as being against any reform.​

"When talking about a solution for the millions here without documentation who could qualify to get in line first with a temporary visa, then legal residence and finally citizenship:
Do use the phrase 'earned legal status'
Don't use the phrase 'pathway to citizenship'
Note: This has a different meaning and can denote getting in front of the line to get citizenship – this is not true. Most Republicans and Democrats, along with 70% of Americans, support a fair system by which those who are undocumented can come forward, register with the government, pass a background check, pay a fine, learn English and get legal status first – that is earned legal status, not automatic citizenship.​

"When addressing securing our borders:
Do use the wording 'enforcement of our borders includes more border patrol, technology, and building a fence where it makes sense'
Don't use phrases like 'send them all back,' electric fence,' 'build a wall along the entire border'​

"When talking about immigrants:
Do use 'undocumented immigrant' when referring to those here without documentation
Don't use the word 'illegals' or 'aliens'
Don't use the term 'anchor baby'​

"When addressing amnesty and earned legal status:
Do acknowledge that the true meaning of amnesty is to pardon without any penalty
Don't label earned legal status as amnesty
Don't characterize all Hispanics as undocumented and all undocumented as Hispanics​

"When broadly addressing reforms:
Do acknowledge that President Obama broke his promise and failed to propose any immigration reform for five years, while using this issue as a political wedge
Do talk about the issues you support like overhauling the bureaucratic visa system, creating a viable temporary worker program, a workable e-verify system, and border security
Don’t focus on amnesty as a tenet of immigration reform
Don't use President Reagan's immigration reform as an example applicable today
Note: That legislation was true amnesty; in addition, border security, fixing our visa system, and a temporary worker program were parts of the reform which were never implemented."
.​

 

[AmyNation]

I'd say there are some valid points in there. I've noticed a tendency that sometimes the "illegal" gets dropped from "illegal immigrants", especially when debating a dem. Thats a serious issue republicans should be more aware of, and changes the whole tone of the conversation.

 

[LilOlLady]

I'd say there are some valid points in there. I've noticed a tendency that sometimes the "illegal" gets dropped from "illegal immigrants", especially when debating a dem. Thats a serious issue republicans should be more aware of, and changes the whole tone of the conversation.

WTF do they expect to be called when they commit federal crimes and steal identificaton. Angels of mercy? I call a spade a spade.
Now you want to bow to criminals? Illegal aliens, jack pot babies, anchor babies, illegal immigration,illegal immigrant, wet backs,etc are real legitimate words and should be used when they correctly apply. If these names offend you, stop doing those thing and being those things.
Alien, illegal,legal, is described in the bible as in Blacks Law dictionary.

 

[LilOlLady]

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As is so often the case, Republican's can't be depended on to do the right thing but-----but hocus-pocus (see Frank Luntz) language -- no problem.



Hispanic group to GOP congressmen: Watch your language - The Hill's Ballot Box


By Cameron Joseph
01/28/13

A leading GOP Hispanic group has a message for Republicans as Congress begins debate on immigration: Watch your language.​

The Hispanic Leadership Network... <snip>​

"Tone and rhetoric will be key... <snip>​

Many Republican operatives have been as or more worried about their party's rhetoric on immigration and immigrants than their actual policy positions... <snip>​

The memo suggests that Republican senators and congressmen refer to "undocumented immigrant" rather than "illegals" or "aliens" and that they never use the phrase "anchor babies." It also warns Republicans against using the term "amnesty" to describe the plan, and suggests attacking President Obama for not pushing earlier for a plan.​

Here's the full list:
"When engaging in conversation or doing an interview on immigration reform:
Do acknowledge that 'Our current immigration system is broken and we need to fix it'
Don’t begin with 'We are against amnesty'
Note: Most everyone is against amnesty and this is interpreted as being against any reform.​

"When talking about a solution for the millions here without documentation who could qualify to get in line first with a temporary visa, then legal residence and finally citizenship:
Do use the phrase 'earned legal status'
Don't use the phrase 'pathway to citizenship'
Note: This has a different meaning and can denote getting in front of the line to get citizenship – this is not true. Most Republicans and Democrats, along with 70% of Americans, support a fair system by which those who are undocumented can come forward, register with the government, pass a background check, pay a fine, learn English and get legal status first – that is earned legal status, not automatic citizenship.​

"When addressing securing our borders:
Do use the wording 'enforcement of our borders includes more border patrol, technology, and building a fence where it makes sense'
Don't use phrases like 'send them all back,' electric fence,' 'build a wall along the entire border'​

"When talking about immigrants:
Do use 'undocumented immigrant' when referring to those here without documentation
Don't use the word 'illegals' or 'aliens'
Don't use the term 'anchor baby'​

"When addressing amnesty and earned legal status:
Do acknowledge that the true meaning of amnesty is to pardon without any penalty
Don't label earned legal status as amnesty
Don't characterize all Hispanics as undocumented and all undocumented as Hispanics​

"When broadly addressing reforms:
Do acknowledge that President Obama broke his promise and failed to propose any immigration reform for five years, while using this issue as a political wedge
Do talk about the issues you support like overhauling the bureaucratic visa system, creating a viable temporary worker program, a workable e-verify system, and border security
Don’t focus on amnesty as a tenet of immigration reform
Don't use President Reagan's immigration reform as an example applicable today
Note: That legislation was true amnesty; in addition, border security, fixing our visa system, and a temporary worker program were parts of the reform which were never implemented."
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Bucket of bul crappy.

 

[AmyNation]

The point is that the GOP needs to come off as tough on lawbreakers, not anti-Hispanic or anti-immigrant.

 

[TNHarley]

There are some good points. But dang dude.. No one would even think of using that language(I say that lol) if you did it LEGALLY. Meaning not be a damn criminal!

 

[Stephanie]

well how lovely, now they are telling us how we can use our FREEDOM OF SPEECH

They don't like the language in this country, they are always FREE TO LEAVE

 

[RoadVirus]

Roadvirus to Hispanic groups: Fuck you

 

[Stephanie]

a leading Gop Hispanic group...the Hispanic network group, wtf?

How funny we have NEVER heard of this group, until NOW

I call this bullshit

 

[Stephanie]

This didn't go over so big at the hill site, you should read the comments

 

[AmyNation]

I love the flaming of a right wing group by right wing posters!

"An initiative of the American Action Network, is a sustained effort to engage the Hispanic Community on center-right issues that will restore opportunity and prosperity in America. HLN held its inaugural conference in January 2011 with co-chairs Governor Jeb Bush, former Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez and over 600 Hispanic leaders from across the country. HLN is building on the momentum from this event through a national grassroots and communications effort.


HLN works and strategizes with Hispanic leaders across the country to issue conservative policy recommendations based on solid research that will support the advancement of the Hispanic community in education, jobs and small business, homeownership, family values and immigration."

About HLN

 

[WillowTree]

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As is so often the case, Republican's can't be depended on to do the right thing but-----but hocus-pocus (see Frank Luntz) language -- no problem.



Hispanic group to GOP congressmen: Watch your language - The Hill's Ballot Box


By Cameron Joseph
01/28/13

A leading GOP Hispanic group has a message for Republicans as Congress begins debate on immigration: Watch your language.​

The Hispanic Leadership Network... <snip>​

"Tone and rhetoric will be key... <snip>​

Many Republican operatives have been as or more worried about their party's rhetoric on immigration and immigrants than their actual policy positions... <snip>​

The memo suggests that Republican senators and congressmen refer to "undocumented immigrant" rather than "illegals" or "aliens" and that they never use the phrase "anchor babies." It also warns Republicans against using the term "amnesty" to describe the plan, and suggests attacking President Obama for not pushing earlier for a plan.​

Here's the full list:
"When engaging in conversation or doing an interview on immigration reform:
Do acknowledge that 'Our current immigration system is broken and we need to fix it'
Don&#8217;t begin with 'We are against amnesty'
Note: Most everyone is against amnesty and this is interpreted as being against any reform.​

"When talking about a solution for the millions here without documentation who could qualify to get in line first with a temporary visa, then legal residence and finally citizenship:
Do use the phrase 'earned legal status'
Don't use the phrase 'pathway to citizenship'
Note: This has a different meaning and can denote getting in front of the line to get citizenship &#8211; this is not true. Most Republicans and Democrats, along with 70% of Americans, support a fair system by which those who are undocumented can come forward, register with the government, pass a background check, pay a fine, learn English and get legal status first &#8211; that is earned legal status, not automatic citizenship.​

"When addressing securing our borders:
Do use the wording 'enforcement of our borders includes more border patrol, technology, and building a fence where it makes sense'
Don't use phrases like 'send them all back,' electric fence,' 'build a wall along the entire border'​

"When talking about immigrants:
Do use 'undocumented immigrant' when referring to those here without documentation
Don't use the word 'illegals' or 'aliens'
Don't use the term 'anchor baby'​

"When addressing amnesty and earned legal status:
Do acknowledge that the true meaning of amnesty is to pardon without any penalty
Don't label earned legal status as amnesty
Don't characterize all Hispanics as undocumented and all undocumented as Hispanics​

"When broadly addressing reforms:
Do acknowledge that President Obama broke his promise and failed to propose any immigration reform for five years, while using this issue as a political wedge
Do talk about the issues you support like overhauling the bureaucratic visa system, creating a viable temporary worker program, a workable e-verify system, and border security
Don&#8217;t focus on amnesty as a tenet of immigration reform
Don't use President Reagan's immigration reform as an example applicable today
Note: That legislation was true amnesty; in addition, border security, fixing our visa system, and a temporary worker program were parts of the reform which were never implemented."
.​

You know what Star? Even if it means never winning another election I don't think Republicans should kiss up to the assholes who broke into this country, comitted ID fraud, break all the rules and take our resources, so a nice kindly FUCK you would be in order.

 

[TNHarley]

You know what Star? Even if it means never winning another election I don't think Republicans should kiss up to the assholes who broke into this country, comitted ID fraud, break all the rules and take our resources, so a nice kindly FUCK you would be in order.[/QUOTE]

Pride

 

[AmyNation]

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How dare Hispanic republicans give advice to the GOP about how to talk to Hispanic communities!

 

[Stephanie]

I love the flaming of a right wing group by right wing posters!

"An initiative of the American Action Network, is a sustained effort to engage the Hispanic Community on center-right issues that will restore opportunity and prosperity in America. HLN held its inaugural conference in January 2011 with co-chairs Governor Jeb Bush, former Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez and over 600 Hispanic leaders from across the country. HLN is building on the momentum from this event through a national grassroots and communications effort.


HLN works and strategizes with Hispanic leaders across the country to issue conservative policy recommendations based on solid research that will support the advancement of the Hispanic community in education, jobs and small business, homeownership, family values and immigration."

About HLN

does this mean we are supposed to have heard of them? they started in 2011 and this now gives them a right to tell us what we can say?

 

[Stephanie]

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How dare Hispanic republicans give advice to the GOP about how to talk to Hispanic communities!

This isn't about communties, they are telling us what we can and can't say

 

[AmyNation]

They are advising the GOP on how to phrase things in order to not alienate hispanic voters. This is no different that the talking points memos that get circulated. The fact is they make valid points, sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it and too often the dems paint republicans into a corner that they can't find their way out of.

This group is pro-conservative, and they are striving to bring over more Hispanics into the GOP fold. It's amusing to me that the response from fellow republicans is "fuck off".

 

[Stephanie]

Just wonderful

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

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As is so often the case, Republican's can't be depended on to do the right thing but-----but hocus-pocus (see Frank Luntz) language -- no problem.



Hispanic group to GOP congressmen: Watch your language - The Hill's Ballot Box


By Cameron Joseph
01/28/13

A leading GOP Hispanic group has a message for Republicans as Congress begins debate on immigration: Watch your language.​

The Hispanic Leadership Network... <snip>​

"Tone and rhetoric will be key... <snip>​

Many Republican operatives have been as or more worried about their party's rhetoric on immigration and immigrants than their actual policy positions... <snip>​

The memo suggests that Republican senators and congressmen refer to "undocumented immigrant" rather than "illegals" or "aliens" and that they never use the phrase "anchor babies." It also warns Republicans against using the term "amnesty" to describe the plan, and suggests attacking President Obama for not pushing earlier for a plan.​

Here's the full list:
"When engaging in conversation or doing an interview on immigration reform:
Do acknowledge that 'Our current immigration system is broken and we need to fix it'
Don&#8217;t begin with 'We are against amnesty'
Note: Most everyone is against amnesty and this is interpreted as being against any reform.​

"When talking about a solution for the millions here without documentation who could qualify to get in line first with a temporary visa, then legal residence and finally citizenship:
Do use the phrase 'earned legal status'
Don't use the phrase 'pathway to citizenship'
Note: This has a different meaning and can denote getting in front of the line to get citizenship &#8211; this is not true. Most Republicans and Democrats, along with 70% of Americans, support a fair system by which those who are undocumented can come forward, register with the government, pass a background check, pay a fine, learn English and get legal status first &#8211; that is earned legal status, not automatic citizenship.​

"When addressing securing our borders:
Do use the wording 'enforcement of our borders includes more border patrol, technology, and building a fence where it makes sense'
Don't use phrases like 'send them all back,' electric fence,' 'build a wall along the entire border'​

"When talking about immigrants:
Do use 'undocumented immigrant' when referring to those here without documentation
Don't use the word 'illegals' or 'aliens'
Don't use the term 'anchor baby'​

"When addressing amnesty and earned legal status:
Do acknowledge that the true meaning of amnesty is to pardon without any penalty
Don't label earned legal status as amnesty
Don't characterize all Hispanics as undocumented and all undocumented as Hispanics​

"When broadly addressing reforms:
Do acknowledge that President Obama broke his promise and failed to propose any immigration reform for five years, while using this issue as a political wedge
Do talk about the issues you support like overhauling the bureaucratic visa system, creating a viable temporary worker program, a workable e-verify system, and border security
Don&#8217;t focus on amnesty as a tenet of immigration reform
Don't use President Reagan's immigration reform as an example applicable today
Note: That legislation was true amnesty; in addition, border security, fixing our visa system, and a temporary worker program were parts of the reform which were never implemented."
.​

And the GOP's response should be:

"Go fuck yourselves"

Seriously, when the GOP caved on amnesty last time, the number of Hispanics voting GOP actually dropped.

Way waste time on them? Stand your ground on this shit.. enough already.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Seriously.. where' the outrage from the black community who is continually pushed out in favor of Mexicans willing to break our laws and come over and work for almost nothing? And the black community overwhelmingly votes for these folks who now advocate crapping on U.S. citizens in favor of illegal aliens? Really?