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'Hidden History' That Was Staring You In The Face
- Thread starter PoliticalChic
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She claims she never uses vulgarity?
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I think sometimes she's too stupid to realize that the board keeps a record of everyone's posts.
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It wasn't a depression until Roosevelt became president.
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Unmitigated bullshit. Don't deny reality in the face of evidence, kid.
Chart of US Gross Domestic Product, 1929-2004
And it was precisely because we went off the gold standard that the economy began recovering.
Those economies which went off the gold standard recovered more quickly than those that didn't.
NYcarbineer
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I already proved Morgenthau was wrong. You can stop flailing now.
Simon says,
Stop flailing.
Grizz
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I already proved Morgenthau was wrong. You can stop flailing now.
Simon says,
Stop flailing.
Of course you did kid, you are a legend in your own mind. I've already proven your "facts" to be nothing but silliness son.
Decus
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It wasn't a depression until Roosevelt became president.
.
Unmitigated bullshit. Don't deny reality in the face of evidence, kid.
Chart of US Gross Domestic Product, 1929-2004
And it was precisely because we went off the gold standard that the economy began recovering.
Those economies which went off the gold standard recovered more quickly than those that didn't.
Don't be a clown. You stated that the failure of the banks in the 20's and 30's were evidence that the depression had started. Seems your problem is with the authors of the research. You might want to drop them a line.
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Decus
Platinum Member
It wasn't a depression until Roosevelt became president.
.
Unmitigated bullshit. Don't deny reality in the face of evidence, kid.
Chart of US Gross Domestic Product, 1929-2004
And it was precisely because we went off the gold standard that the economy began recovering.
Those economies which went off the gold standard recovered more quickly than those that didn't.
Don't be a clown. You stated that the failure of the banks in the 20's and 30's were evidence that the depression had started. Seems your problem is with the authors of the research. You might want to drop them a line.
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Your problem also seems to be with your source and the authors at the FDIC:
"Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected president in November 1932, and rumors circulated that his administration would devalue the dollar. Concerns about the future of the dollar created even greater liquidity pressures.".....
"Sudden withdrawal demands in certain parts of the country started a panic of massive proportions. State after state declared bank holidays.1- The panic reached a peak during the first three days of March 1933 following the failure of an estimated 4,000 banks so far that year. As one of his first official acts, President Roosevelt proclaimed a nationwide bank holiday beginning on March 6, 1933, which lasted four days. The financial system was on the verge of collapse, and both the manufacturing and agricultural sectors were operating at a fraction of capacity. Administration officials quickly began to draft legislation designed to resolve the banking crisis."
FDIC: Managing the Crisis: The FDIC and RTC Experience
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10. An so, the Roosevelt romance with Stalin and Communism didn't end with Roosevelt's demise.
Just as a later Democrat left a stain on a blue dress, this Democrat stained....left his taint....on world history.
Pro-Soviet apologist Joseph Davies was hardly the worst part.
Roosevelt did many good things, but in the Leftist cosmos, Shakespeare's aphorism applied:
"The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones."
FDR is the proximate cause of China becoming Communist and of the Korean War.
a. FDR's insistence on the Soviet agents who infiltrated his administration resulted in the United States sabotage of Chaing Kai-Shek and the Nationalists in China in favor of the Mao and the Communists. From the book “Blacklisted From History,” by M. Stanton Evans: Soviet agents in the U.S. State department (and Treasury) worked actively to damage confidence of our government, in the (Nationalist) Chinese fighting in their own country, as our allies against the Japanese, and in favor of the Communist unsurgency of Mao Tse-Tung and Chou En-Lai.
While Chiang Kai-Shek was busy as our ally fighting the Japanese, White, Currie, Coe, Glasser, and Hiss were doing all they could to undermine him in favor of Mao and the communists.
b. “Another example of [Harry Dexter] White acting as an agent of influence for the Soviet Union was his obstruction of a proposed $200 million loan to Nationalist China in 1943, which he had been officially instructed to execute,[52] at a time when inflation was spiraling out of control.”
Harry Dexter White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
b. [Owen] Lattimore was leaking information to the Soviets while he was an advisor to Chiang Kai-shek and that the Soviets considered Lattimore to be "working for them". http://foia.fbi.gov/owenlatt/owenlatt1a.pdf
c. The spies that FDR put in place continued to move Democrats in the Communist Direction. This, from a newspaper at the time:
"Mr. Truman said that the nationalists should have surrendered because they didn't have a chance to win...the opinion of American ambassador Leighton Stuart was that the failure of American aid to come at the opportune moment was the real cause of the weakness of nationalists and the disintegration of their armies....many military commanders went over to the enemy because they saw the United States withdrawing moral support from Chiang Kai-shek. Mr. Truman boldly defends what Treasury did. He doesn't mention Harry Dexter White, mentioned in congressional hearings as a communist spy, sat at Treasury with full power to say when the money promised Chiang Kai-shek would be forwarded or withheld." Toledo Blade, http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...8NOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=swAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4731,7006840
Just as a later Democrat left a stain on a blue dress, this Democrat stained....left his taint....on world history.
Pro-Soviet apologist Joseph Davies was hardly the worst part.
Roosevelt did many good things, but in the Leftist cosmos, Shakespeare's aphorism applied:
"The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones."
FDR is the proximate cause of China becoming Communist and of the Korean War.
a. FDR's insistence on the Soviet agents who infiltrated his administration resulted in the United States sabotage of Chaing Kai-Shek and the Nationalists in China in favor of the Mao and the Communists. From the book “Blacklisted From History,” by M. Stanton Evans: Soviet agents in the U.S. State department (and Treasury) worked actively to damage confidence of our government, in the (Nationalist) Chinese fighting in their own country, as our allies against the Japanese, and in favor of the Communist unsurgency of Mao Tse-Tung and Chou En-Lai.
While Chiang Kai-Shek was busy as our ally fighting the Japanese, White, Currie, Coe, Glasser, and Hiss were doing all they could to undermine him in favor of Mao and the communists.
b. “Another example of [Harry Dexter] White acting as an agent of influence for the Soviet Union was his obstruction of a proposed $200 million loan to Nationalist China in 1943, which he had been officially instructed to execute,[52] at a time when inflation was spiraling out of control.”
Harry Dexter White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
b. [Owen] Lattimore was leaking information to the Soviets while he was an advisor to Chiang Kai-shek and that the Soviets considered Lattimore to be "working for them". http://foia.fbi.gov/owenlatt/owenlatt1a.pdf
c. The spies that FDR put in place continued to move Democrats in the Communist Direction. This, from a newspaper at the time:
"Mr. Truman said that the nationalists should have surrendered because they didn't have a chance to win...the opinion of American ambassador Leighton Stuart was that the failure of American aid to come at the opportune moment was the real cause of the weakness of nationalists and the disintegration of their armies....many military commanders went over to the enemy because they saw the United States withdrawing moral support from Chiang Kai-shek. Mr. Truman boldly defends what Treasury did. He doesn't mention Harry Dexter White, mentioned in congressional hearings as a communist spy, sat at Treasury with full power to say when the money promised Chiang Kai-shek would be forwarded or withheld." Toledo Blade, http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...8NOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=swAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4731,7006840
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No, I stated the massive drop of the Dow, the massive drop in GDP, and the massive failure of the banks collectively smash the revisionist retard idea there was no depression before FDR.It wasn't a depression until Roosevelt became president.
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Unmitigated bullshit. Don't deny reality in the face of evidence, kid.
Chart of US Gross Domestic Product, 1929-2004
And it was precisely because we went off the gold standard that the economy began recovering.
Those economies which went off the gold standard recovered more quickly than those that didn't.
Don't be a clown. You stated that the failure of the banks in the 20's and 30's were evidence that the depression had started. Seems your problem is with the authors of the research. You might want to drop them a line.
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11. While Roosevelt had his hand on the steering wheel of government, spies populated his administration, and controlled US policy.
a. On April 5, 1951, Judge Irving R. Kaufman sentenced the Rosenbergs to death for theft of atomic secrets, and, resulted in "the communist aggression in Korea, with the resultant casualties exceeding 50,000 and who knows but that millions more of innocent people may pay the price of your treason." Judge Kaufman's Sentencing Statement in the Rosenberg Case
It is clear today, based on archival evidence, unearthed by researchers in Russia and released in the United States, that Kaufman was correct. "Absent an atomic bomb, Stalin would not have released Pyongyang's army to conquer the entire Korean peninsula. Confident that his possession of atomic weapons neutralized America's strategic advantage, Stalin was emboldened to unleash war in Korea in 1950." Haynes, Klehr, and Vassiliev, "Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America," p. 143, 545. And Romerstein and Breindel,"The Venona Secrets," p. xv, 253.
b. It is important to connect the treachery with the impact of that treachery: the theft of the nuclear technology with 36,940 Americans killed, 91,134 wounded, and 8,176 still missing, and this does not include at least two million civilian lives claimed on both sides.
Bruce Cumings, "The Korean War: A History.'
Included were 1.3 million South Korean casualties, including 400,000 dead. North Korea, 2 million casualties, and 900,000 Chinese soldiers killed.
Hence....Roosevelt's either laxity.....or outright compliance with Joseph Stalin, cost countless lives well after he, himself, was interred.
'Hidden History'........revealed.
a. On April 5, 1951, Judge Irving R. Kaufman sentenced the Rosenbergs to death for theft of atomic secrets, and, resulted in "the communist aggression in Korea, with the resultant casualties exceeding 50,000 and who knows but that millions more of innocent people may pay the price of your treason." Judge Kaufman's Sentencing Statement in the Rosenberg Case
It is clear today, based on archival evidence, unearthed by researchers in Russia and released in the United States, that Kaufman was correct. "Absent an atomic bomb, Stalin would not have released Pyongyang's army to conquer the entire Korean peninsula. Confident that his possession of atomic weapons neutralized America's strategic advantage, Stalin was emboldened to unleash war in Korea in 1950." Haynes, Klehr, and Vassiliev, "Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America," p. 143, 545. And Romerstein and Breindel,"The Venona Secrets," p. xv, 253.
b. It is important to connect the treachery with the impact of that treachery: the theft of the nuclear technology with 36,940 Americans killed, 91,134 wounded, and 8,176 still missing, and this does not include at least two million civilian lives claimed on both sides.
Bruce Cumings, "The Korean War: A History.'
Included were 1.3 million South Korean casualties, including 400,000 dead. North Korea, 2 million casualties, and 900,000 Chinese soldiers killed.
Hence....Roosevelt's either laxity.....or outright compliance with Joseph Stalin, cost countless lives well after he, himself, was interred.
'Hidden History'........revealed.
Decus
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No, I stated the massive drop of the Dow, the massive drop in GDP, and the massive failure of the banks collectively smash the revisionist retard idea there was no depression before FDR.It wasn't a depression until Roosevelt became president.
.
Unmitigated bullshit. Don't deny reality in the face of evidence, kid.
Chart of US Gross Domestic Product, 1929-2004
And it was precisely because we went off the gold standard that the economy began recovering.
Those economies which went off the gold standard recovered more quickly than those that didn't.
Don't be a clown. You stated that the failure of the banks in the 20's and 30's were evidence that the depression had started. Seems your problem is with the authors of the research. You might want to drop them a line.
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I want to thank you for your FDIC source. Following up on your link it is clear that the economic problems of the time were made worse by bad policies. The heart of the problem was:
"By their nature, banking panics are largely irrational, inexplicable events, but some of the factors contributing to the problem can be explained. Economic historians believe that substantial increases in farm debt in the 1920s, together with U.S. policies that encouraged small, undiversified banks, created an environment where such panics could ignite and spread. The heavy farm debt stemmed in part from the response to the high prices of agricultural goods during World War I. American farmers borrowed heavily to purchase and improve land in order to increase production. The decline in farm commodity prices following the war made it difficult for farmers to keep up with their loan payments."
Roosevelt took a bad situation and made it worse, as such he took ownership of the problem:
"Critics say the New Deal failed because some of the government's actions suppressed competition, slowing the economy's ability to rebound. A central culprit was the National Recovery Administration (NRA), from 1933. The goal of the NRA was to lift wages for workers. But to do this, it encouraged industry leaders to meet and establish minimum prices and wages, effectively creating cartels. The result was wholesale prices rising 23 percent in two years."
"It's hard to find anyone now who will defend the NRA, which academics agree was a bad program because it stifled competition. It was obvious to people even then that the NRA was seriously flawed; in 1935, the Supreme Court ruled the program unconstitutional"
""Anytime you put in price and wage controls, you are more likely than not to make the economy worse off," says Valerie Ramey, professor of economics at University of California, San Diego. "That's the lesson of all economic history.""
The truth about stimulus and the Depression - Feb. 11, 2009
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regent
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The NIRA was an attempt to allow business leaders to help solve the depression, but business leaders saw it as an opportunity to make more money. The solutions to depressions at the time was to balance the budget, but few understook how balancing the budget fixed depressions, FDR said he would try new things and he did. If they didn't work they would be abandoned. In any case Reagan voted for FDR as did most Americans and four times.
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The NIRA was an attempt to allow business leaders to help solve the depression, but business leaders saw it as an opportunity to make more money. The solutions to depressions at the time was to balance the budget, but few understook how balancing the budget fixed depressions, FDR said he would try new things and he did. If they didn't work they would be abandoned. In any case Reagan voted for FDR as did most Americans and four times.
Amazing how you FDR-groupies will offer the most imaginative lies to blame anyone but the architect of economic disasters....Franklin Roosevelt himself.
The hated successful businessmen because he was an abject failure at business.
Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral animosity toward businessmen, entrepreneurs, successful capitalists. And he had a way with words, in describing them. "unscrupulous money changers..." the greed and shortsightedness of bankers and businessmen," "..rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence" "we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit." "there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing."
Wow! What the heck was that about? He was besmirching his fellow Americans, many of whom were responsible for the progress of society.
And the point?
As long as he could continue to blame them for the nation's ills, he would continue to nudge the Depression along while he used it as an excise to destroy the Constitution.
Lucky for him he still has corrupt flunkies like you around to keep the image up.
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The NIRA was an attempt to allow business leaders to help solve the depression, but business leaders saw it as an opportunity to make more money. The solutions to depressions at the time was to balance the budget, but few understook how balancing the budget fixed depressions, FDR said he would try new things and he did. If they didn't work they would be abandoned. In any case Reagan voted for FDR as did most Americans and four times.
"The solutions to depressions at the time was to balance the budget, but few understook (sic) how balancing the budget fixed depressions,"
1. Harding did it and it ended a Roosevelt-level depression in a year and a half.
2. Roosevelt lied to the public, promising to do the same, then did the very opposite in order to subvert the Constitution so he could be a dictator like his 'inamorada's'....Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler.
The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address
3.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget and the continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.
Can we let that sink in? Franklin Delano Roosevelt...budget wonk....balance the budget....stop the deficits....do what Republican Harding did!!!
I think I have the vapors!
What a good fiscal conservative this guy would have been!!
Then he was elected....a fatal development.
Know what 'mendacity' means?
Take a moment....look it up.
4. 'Cause he went on to vow that everyone he selects for his cabinet had to pledge absolute fealty to a balanced budget and a 25% across-the-board cut in government spending.
Yeah, boyyeeeee!
Soooo.....think you'll ever stop lying?
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The NIRA was an attempt to allow business leaders to help solve the depression, but business leaders saw it as an opportunity to make more money. The solutions to depressions at the time was to balance the budget, but few understook how balancing the budget fixed depressions, FDR said he would try new things and he did. If they didn't work they would be abandoned. In any case Reagan voted for FDR as did most Americans and four times.
"In any case Reagan voted for FDR..."
Reagan was a Democrat until he realized that Roosevelt and the Democrats yearned to be Bolsheviks.
He had an epiphany.....think you ever might?
"...most Americans [voted for FDR] and four times."
"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter
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12. While the moving force behind this thread was to make clear that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was terrible at guiding the economy, and far worse in plotting a course for capitalism and away from communism, much of the thread revolved around the disaster he created....the Depression.
In that, he was the same as Barack Obama.....but for a very different reason.
a. Obama....due to incompetence.
"Shovel-ready was not as ... uh .. shovel-ready as we expected." Obama Jokes at Jobs Council: 'Shovel-Ready Was Not as Shovel-Ready as We Expected'
b. Roosevelt failed because he wanted to fail; he wanted a decade long crisis because "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel
Dozens of recessions and depressions prior to the Roosevevelt Fiasco...but none....not one....lasted as long as Roosevelt's.
13. This article came out last night, documenting the similarities:
"America’s ghost legions of idle men
Male employment rate reaches Great Depression-era levels, with nearly 1 out of 6 working-age men no longer looking for employment
One-sixth of all men of prime working age in America – men aged between 25 and 54 – are not just unemployed, but have stopped looking for jobs altogether. This is a time bomb with far reaching economic, social, and political consequences. “Unlike the dead soldiers in Roman antiquity,” he writes, “our decimated men still live and walk among us, though in an existence without productive economic purpose. We might say those many millions of men without work constitute a sort of invisible army, ghost soldiers lost in an overlooked, modern-day depression.” MercatorNet: America’s ghost legions of idle men
"....modern-day depression.”
Barack...shake hands with Franklin.
If you believe, as I do, that we get the government that we deserve.....perhaps it is time for some self-analysis: what has America done to stray from the straight and narrow?
In that, he was the same as Barack Obama.....but for a very different reason.
a. Obama....due to incompetence.
"Shovel-ready was not as ... uh .. shovel-ready as we expected." Obama Jokes at Jobs Council: 'Shovel-Ready Was Not as Shovel-Ready as We Expected'
b. Roosevelt failed because he wanted to fail; he wanted a decade long crisis because "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel
Dozens of recessions and depressions prior to the Roosevevelt Fiasco...but none....not one....lasted as long as Roosevelt's.
13. This article came out last night, documenting the similarities:
"America’s ghost legions of idle men
Male employment rate reaches Great Depression-era levels, with nearly 1 out of 6 working-age men no longer looking for employment
One-sixth of all men of prime working age in America – men aged between 25 and 54 – are not just unemployed, but have stopped looking for jobs altogether. This is a time bomb with far reaching economic, social, and political consequences. “Unlike the dead soldiers in Roman antiquity,” he writes, “our decimated men still live and walk among us, though in an existence without productive economic purpose. We might say those many millions of men without work constitute a sort of invisible army, ghost soldiers lost in an overlooked, modern-day depression.” MercatorNet: America’s ghost legions of idle men
"....modern-day depression.”
Barack...shake hands with Franklin.
If you believe, as I do, that we get the government that we deserve.....perhaps it is time for some self-analysis: what has America done to stray from the straight and narrow?
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