Hickenlooper blows it in CA, gets booed

[Mac1958]

Oops, he did it again!

Hickenlooper rails against Sanders' democratic socialism

The man's on a political suicide mission!
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[JoeB131]

You gave me one example, and didn't even say that it didn't solve toothaches. This wasn't a case of fraud.

Yeah, giving a child cocaine for a toothache... That's a great idea.

FUcking idiot.

Since this apparently flies over your head, let me reiterate; Industries are a direct response to demand from the people, as a demand means profit incentive. What this means is that the product-testing industry is a response to consumer demand for people testing products for authenticity.

Oh, my God, you must be some kind of fucking retard. Hentai rots the brains kids.

Here's the problem with that argument. The Tobacco industry. People knew a long time ago that Tobacco was bad for you, but the cigarette companies pushed them as actually being healthy! Their internal documents show that they deliberately marketed to kids! Jesus knows what they would be doing if the government HADN'T stepped in and put a stop to it.

Stating that a Ponzi Scheme is a good thing and that only decent people would support that specific brand of literal extortion is just an appeal to emotion. I don't support theft or extortion, therefor I do not support said Ponzi Scheme. You can consider me a bad person if you want, but ethical behavior does not include the initiation of force, objectively, so you'd be wrong.

Decent people don't let the elderly starve to death because they are selfish. I'm sorry you didn't learn that between watching episodes of tentacle porn.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yeah, giving a child cocaine for a toothache... That's a great idea.

FUcking idiot.

I never claimed it was a good idea, I pointed out that there was widespread demand for such medicine, and that medical professionals, under the Government's regulation, were still using Cocaine for Medical practice. If it's working, nobody has any place in telling the people using that medicine on themselves that they can't do so, it's their money that they're spending as a extension of their self-ownership, and their body which they're using it on, which they also own.

Oh, my God, you must be some kind of fucking retard. Hentai rots the brains kids.

Here's the problem with that argument. The Tobacco industry. People knew a long time ago that Tobacco was bad for you, but the cigarette companies pushed them as actually being healthy! Their internal documents show that they deliberately marketed to kids! Jesus knows what they would be doing if the government HADN'T stepped in and put a stop to it.

Actually, there isn't a problem with my argument. The fact that people continued using them shows that there was demand, that means you admitted that my statement was correct.

Also, people still use them today, including kids. Something being illegal doesn't mean it isn't happening. Hell, people still smoke weed in schools, laws have done nothing outside of creating a black market for the product. Legalizing the product and age restricting it doesn't even work, kids just take it from their parents and smoke them anyway. Making it illegal or age-restricted just makes kids want to do it more, if it was totally normal, they would find it boring and mundane.

Also, it was the Private Sector that discovered the relationship between cigarettes and lung cancer in the first place. A Hospital staff studied it(Franz Hermann Muller) and published their study in 1939, this being the study that inspired others to do further research. It was, once again, not the Government that started warning people of the side effects. In fact, Vaping is barely any safer, and it was the Private Sector that created that as an alternative, as well as methods for helping people kick their habit of smoking.

Decent people don't let the elderly starve to death because they are selfish. I'm sorry you didn't learn that between watching episodes of tentacle porn.

I said nothing about letting the elderly starve, and the fact that you have to keep appealing to emotion instead of making an actual argument only shows that you realize you're beaten. I objectively proved that Social Security doesn't extend the lives of people, as it has ALWAYS been trending upward, and you're now just repeating yourself, it's pretty pathetic.

People have their entire lives to save their money, and in fact, people would have more money left over if the Government wasn't extorting people. If you truly cared about the elderly, you'd be against Government, but you're not, you're only for Government programs, even though they're less effective in helping people.

Since money funneled through the Government results in less efficient use of it, due to the economic calculation problem, demand would create a far more effective industry in retirement plans. If it doesn't, there's no demand.There would even be competition, forcing them to provide an effective product or go under.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, there isn't a problem with my argument. The fact that people continued using them shows that there was demand, that means you admitted that my statement was correct.

If you don't see a problem with how the Tobacco industry conducted itself, I'm not sure there is much to be done with you.

People have their entire lives to save their money, and in fact, people would have more money left over if the Government wasn't extorting people. If you truly cared about the elderly, you'd be against Government, but you're not, you're only for Government programs, even though they're less effective in helping people.

We have a 80 year record of how good Social Security is at taking care of people in their old age, long after their savings have run out.

 

[dblack]

Oops, he did it again!

Hickenlooper rails against Sanders' democratic socialism

The man's on a political suicide mission!
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Or, he's trying to save the Democrats from themselves.

 

[Wapasha]

But the Democratic Party isn't moving Left, or so I'm told.

What was he thinking? Doesn't he know what has happened to his party?

Hickenlooper Booed When He Tells California Democrats Socialism 'Is Not The Answer' | HuffPost
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I saw that video. This is why Trump will get reelected, Americans do not want socialism. The kook fringe might, and the idiots running for the Democratic Party primary might think they are forced to talk like socialists, just so the crazies in their Party don't target them for destruction.

 

[Mac1958]

Oops, he did it again!
Hickenlooper rails against Sanders' democratic socialism
The man's on a political suicide mission!

Or, he's trying to save the Democrats from themselves.

Oh, he absolutely is, but clearly he'll get no traction. They're trying to get him to run for Senate.

This is a different party now. Hickenlooper is the Jeb Bush of the Democrats.
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[blastoff]

Actually, there isn't a problem with my argument. The fact that people continued using them shows that there was demand, that means you admitted that my statement was correct.

If you don't see a problem with how the Tobacco industry conducted itself, I'm not sure there is much to be done with you.

People have their entire lives to save their money, and in fact, people would have more money left over if the Government wasn't extorting people. If you truly cared about the elderly, you'd be against Government, but you're not, you're only for Government programs, even though they're less effective in helping people.

We have a 80 year record of how good Social Security is at taking care of people in their old age, long after their savings have run out.

Just sit back and enjoy the show folks. JoeyB Dolezal is in so far over his head it’s jolly fun to follow along.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Actually, there isn't a problem with my argument. The fact that people continued using them shows that there was demand, that means you admitted that my statement was correct.

If you don't see a problem with how the Tobacco industry conducted itself, I'm not sure there is much to be done with you.

People have their entire lives to save their money, and in fact, people would have more money left over if the Government wasn't extorting people. If you truly cared about the elderly, you'd be against Government, but you're not, you're only for Government programs, even though they're less effective in helping people.

We have a 80 year record of how good Social Security is at taking care of people in their old age, long after their savings have run out.

Just sit back and enjoy the show folks. JoeyB Dolezal is in so far over his head it’s jolly fun to follow along.

My money is on the kid

 

[Correll]

Oops, he did it again!

Hickenlooper rails against Sanders' democratic socialism

The man's on a political suicide mission!
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He is really out of touch with both the Dem party and America.


Too many Americans have lost their fear of socialism, especially as the demographic flipping point approaches.


Embracing socialism will sell, if not this time, then soon.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, he absolutely is, but clearly he'll get no traction. They're trying to get him to run for Senate.

This is a different party now. Hickenlooper is the Jeb Bush of the Democrats.

Meh, he's more like the Rick Perry... too dopey to get the nomination.

 

[JoeB131]

He is really out of touch with both the Dem party and America.


Too many Americans have lost their fear of socialism, especially as the demographic flipping point approaches.


Embracing socialism will sell, if not this time, then soon.

You mean that when 51% realize that Capitalism is a shit sandwich, they'll embrace socialism?

Because, really, if you aren't in the top 20% that has 87% of the wealth, you are already cowing down on fecal bread.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

If you don't see a problem with how the Tobacco industry conducted itself, I'm not sure there is much to be done with you.

What matters isn't whether or not I, personally, have a problem with how any business conducts itself, it should be up to the consumers, that's how Capitalism works, and why this is not Capitalism. This is also one of the many reasons I'm against Government, the Regulations and Subsidies are there to subvert the will of the consumers and, even if I gave the robbers, murderers, and kidnappers the benefit of the doubt, this is how regulations have been proven to affect the economy.

One only needs to ask themselves "What happens when nobody buys a product from any specific business?", well, look at Blockbuster Video. Oh, right, you can't, because they've all gone under due to lack of demand. People decide it's no longer in their interest to demand a product, and then they stop buying that product. Obviously people were willing to accept the health risks despite people in the Private Industries warning them about it, and people still buy Cigarettes today. It's not up to any one person or any organization to prevent people from buying a product because they don't like it. It's a bad habit, and I find it disgusting, but ultimately it doesn't affect me.

They own themselves, they own their property, and the exchange was made voluntarily, therefor it's fully within their rights to market their products, and for others to buy their products.

We have a 80 year record of how good Social Security is at taking care of people in their old age, long after their savings have run out.

Appeal to tradition. Also, I'm pretty sure ponzi schemes are illegal because they DON'T work. I also want to point out that I don't consider something that's literally unsustainable, such as Social Security, to be "working". Especially since those people are getting less back than they're putting in, if they even collect at all, which I may add, is the point of raising the age of retirement.

A growing population makes it harder to sustain Social Programs. Haven't you ever wondered why Abortion was made legal? I wonder if it's to lower the cost of Social Programs so that the Government can sustain itself longer.

 

[JoeB131]

What matters isn't whether or not I, personally, have a problem with how any business conducts itself, it should be up to the consumers, that's how Capitalism works, and why this is not Capitalism.

Awesome. The sooner we kill the concept of "Capitalism" you have, the better. Frankly, I like the fact the government makes my products safe. It's a lot easier than figuring out if your Yelp Reviews are bullshit.

One only needs to ask themselves "What happens when nobody buys a product from any specific business?", well, look at Blockbuster Video. Oh, right, you can't, because they've all gone under due to lack of demand.

Actually, it was nothing of the sort. Blockbuster was bought out by DishTV, who eliminated the competition. Frankly, I liked Blockbuster better than I like having to try to sort through streaming services at a much higher price.

It's not up to any one person or any organization to prevent people from buying a product because they don't like it. It's a bad habit, and I find it disgusting, but ultimately it doesn't affect me.

That's nice. Me, I want the government to keep unethical companies from foisting products on kids. Your problem is you live in LIbertarian Fairy Land where you think magic market forces fix things. I'm a realist. sometimes you need a big government boot to squash the cockroaches.

Appeal to tradition. Also, I'm pretty sure ponzi schemes are illegal because they DON'T work. I also want to point out that I don't consider something that's literally unsustainable, such as Social Security, to be "working".

Social Security is perfectly sustainable. We just need to make the rich cocksuckers pay their fair share. DONE!!!!

That was easy.

 

[JoeB131]

A growing population makes it harder to sustain Social Programs. Haven't you ever wondered why Abortion was made legal? I wonder if it's to lower the cost of Social Programs so that the Government can sustain itself longer.

Ah, you see, this is why talking to you is a fucking waste of time. You are a complete fucking paranoid loon who sees conspiracies when you ain't wanking off to Tentacle Porn.

Abortion was made legal because people finally figured out that the archaic laws were unenforceable, cruel and counterproductive. If anything, if brith rates were sustained at the rate of "Baby Boom", we wouldn't have a Social Security problem. There'd be more than enough money coming in.

The real problem is that the wealth redistirbution started under FDR has been under attack for 40 years since that senile idiot Reagan. That's why we have a problem. Plenty of money, but in too few hands.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Awesome. The sooner we kill the concept of "Capitalism" you have, the better. Frankly, I like the fact the government makes my products safe. It's a lot easier than figuring out if your Yelp Reviews are bullshit.

Considering Capitalism is people freely and voluntarily trading with each other, there's no way to completely kill that concept, but the closest you can get is to fully centralize absolutely everything. Fully centralizing everything objectively doesn't work, however, because of the economic calculation problem, and people naturally wanting more options. Well, that, and Crypto makes it impossible for the state to prevent people from trading freely. The state will eventually be innovated out of existence, and there's nothing that can be done to stop it.

Actually, it was nothing of the sort. Blockbuster was bought out by DishTV, who eliminated the competition. Frankly, I liked Blockbuster better than I like having to try to sort through streaming services at a much higher price.

It was 100% a lack of demand, how many people are looking to rent VHS and games? Nobody. People barely even rent DVDs. In fact, I just watch what I feel like watch for free, online. The closest anyone has to a literal movie rental is Redbox, which people just do on their way out of a store, rather than looking for an entire store to rent from.

That's nice. Me, I want the government to keep unethical companies from foisting products on kids. Your problem is you live in LIbertarian Fairy Land where you think magic market forces fix things. I'm a realist. sometimes you need a big government boot to squash the cockroaches.

It doesn't take a fairy land for people to stop buying from a business is they don't like their activity, products, for service. Your problem is that you seem to live in a magical fairy land where economics don't exist, and the Government's force is somehow ethical, when other people doing the same thing would be considered an evil psychopath.

To be claiming that people would continue buying from a business that's doing something unethical, you must be claiming that you yourself would continue supporting them financially. If you wouldn't, how then can you claim other people would? Such a discussion keeps bringing me back to businesses like Electronic Arts, where their sales have tanked, yet the Government's financial support keeps them in business, subverting the will of consumers. The Government doesn't stop unethical business practices, it conducts them itself and supports them. The only reason a business would need support from the Government or Regulations from the Government, is to prevent it from doing well in accordance with Consumer demand, or to prevent it from going out of business in accordance with consumer demand. If the Government were acting on behalf of the people, it would never do anything, because people already do what's in their self interest.

Social Security is perfectly sustainable. We just need to make the rich cocksuckers pay their fair share. DONE!!!!

That was easy.

Nobody is entitled to someone else's property, is the easiest rebuttal to that, but if you cared about ethics, you wouldn't be suggesting Government do anything, so instead I'll give an economic argument.

The law of diminishing returns prevents the Government from continuing to gain revenue beyond a 10% tax rate(If we're highballing), due to higher numbers of people trading around the Government and finding ways to avoid taxes, such as not signing the form when they start a job, putting a taxi meter in their vehicle, marking rooms as home offices, exchanging in crypto, etc. Taxing businesses also just causes them to pass on the cost to consumers, by increasing the cost of their products, moving to other locations, laying off employees, or lowering employee pay. As mentioned before, taxes also adversely affect smaller businesses, which results in fewer options for consumers, causing costs to rise.

TL;DR, you have to be a complete and total economic illiterate to ever suggest that as a solution to any problem, ever.

Ah, you see, this is why talking to you is a fucking waste of time. You are a complete fucking paranoid loon who sees conspiracies when you ain't wanking off to Tentacle Porn.

I already refuted using "Conspiracy theory" as a method to disregard an argument; In order to remain consistent, you must also believe the Government never hides anything from you, and that the Mafia doesn't exist. Such a line of thinking would mean that Watergate wasn't real until the Government acknowledged that it happened. It means you don't believe in thinking for yourself, basically, which is actually probably the case.

Oh, and also you're basically denying that the Government would do anything to sustain itself, which means you don't believe that those in Government are acting in their own interests, which would mean you don't consider them humans. In other words, you worship Government.

Abortion was made legal because people finally figured out that the archaic laws were unenforceable, cruel and counterproductive. If anything, if brith rates were sustained at the rate of "Baby Boom", we wouldn't have a Social Security problem. There'd be more than enough money coming in.

There's no such thing as a sustainable Government or Social Security being sustainable, for reasons highlighted above. I'll repeat it anyway, though; The Law of Diminishing Returns prevents any Social Programs from being sustainable, especially since the Government cannot properly allocate resources due to the Economic Calculation Problem.

Secondly, all laws are unenforceable, Police/Road Pirates are a reactive force, and must be a reactive force, due to the nature of laws preventing them from being a preventative force. It's impossible for Centralized Security to prevent crimes because they would have to be everywhere at once and are not an infinite resource, in addition to the fact that laws do not prevent people from conducting actions, but instead punish them after.

Thirdly, Abortion can only be unethical if the child was not a self-owning agent, which it is, otherwise your argument is special pleading and your stances are completely arbitrary. Because the child is a self-owning agent, in order to be killed ethically, it must have infringed on someone else's self-ownership, such as depriving someone of their property, or initiating force against someone. The fetus cannot do either of these things. Because the burden of proof is on the active position, and the mother cannot prove her position to be just, the killing of the child is unethical.

The real problem is that the wealth redistirbution started under FDR has been under attack for 40 years since that senile idiot Reagan. That's why we have a problem. Plenty of money, but in too few hands.

Nobody entitled to someone else's property, and wealth redistribution not only is unethical for the aforementioned reasons, but for the reasons mentioned above, it does not work.

In addition to those reasons, wealth redistribution encourages failure and punishes success, resulting in fewer people working to earn a living. Well, that, and due to the Economic Calculation Problem, it literally results in the Government handing out less than it's taking in, making the Government even more unsustainable.

Oh, and economics isn't a Zero-Sum game. You should study, at the least, basic economics, otherwise you're just making yourself look less intelligent with every post.

 

[JoeB131]

Considering Capitalism is people freely and voluntarily trading with each other, there's no way to completely kill that concept, but the closest you can get is to fully centralize absolutely everything.

Works for me.

I kind of want to know if the person I'm dealing with is trying to cheat me, and I want recourse if he tries.

That's why you have government, at least in part, to enforce standards and contracts.

It was 100% a lack of demand, how many people are looking to rent VHS and games? Nobody. People barely even rent DVDs. In fact, I just watch what I feel like watch for free, online. The closest anyone has to a literal movie rental is Redbox, which people just do on their way out of a store, rather than looking for an entire store to rent from.

But again, did consumers make that decision, or was that decision made for us? The real problem was that with VHS and DVD, people could make copies of movies and just distribute them to their friends. That's why the movie companies have worked so hard to put them out of business.

It doesn't take a fairy land for people to stop buying from a business is they don't like their activity, products, for service. Your problem is that you seem to live in a magical fairy land where economics don't exist, and the Government's force is somehow ethical, when other people doing the same thing would be considered an evil psychopath.

Um, yeah, we were talking about the tobacco industry, which formulated their products to be more addictive and then marketed them to children. Putting a stop to that was ethical, but the market forces weren't going to do it. It took big ass lawsuits and regulation.

Thirdly, Abortion can only be unethical if the child was not a self-owning agent, which it is, otherwise your argument is special pleading and your stances are completely arbitrary. Because the child is a self-owning agent, in order to be killed ethically, it must have infringed on someone else's self-ownership, such as depriving someone of their property, or initiating force against someone. The fetus cannot do either of these things. Because the burden of proof is on the active position, and the mother cannot prove her position to be just, the killing of the child is unethical.

Fetuses aren't children, and as long as they are in a woman's body, it's HER choice.

Nobody entitled to someone else's property, and wealth redistribution not only is unethical for the aforementioned reasons, but for the reasons mentioned above, it does not work.

Actually, it works just fine in all the Western Democracies.... We Americans haven't gotten with the program because we've let people like the Koch Brothers fill empty heads like yours with stupid ideas about "Freedom", which usually means those with money abusing those of us with less money.

 

[Deno]

Socialism is the answer since capitalism is dying.

Are you really this Stupid?

 

[Deno]

Socialism is the answer since capitalism is dying.

Uncle Bernie's type of socialism isn't real socialism; he's a real estate millionaire who isn't going to vote against his own interests and like most Dems he's fine with Goldman Sachs bribing him.

Bernie is no socialist just like Trump is no conservative....What's new?

You say Crazy bernie is not a socialist?

You are a Tards Tard......…..

 

[miketx]

Capitalism has turned a lot of people off, and is in trouble, in part because today's conservatives have wrecked it with their goofy, ignorant, simplistic pseudo-libertarian approach to it.

The Left has wrecked our culture, the Right has wrecked out socio-economics.

Thanks, wingers.
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You're welcome traitor.