Hi all, Senior in HS and trying to understand

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    Graduating this up-coming year (yay!) and want to try and understand this thing we call our government...:banana:
    Here to learn!
     
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    Welcome.
    Godspeed in your efforts.
     
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    Welcome to USMB. Good luck learning anything. :thup:
     
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    Hopefully you aren't being sarcastic...:smile: and Thanks!
     
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    Congratulations, 18, good luck in the future, and welcome to the boards.

    First thing you need to do in order to "understand this thing we call our government" is to forget all the sranje that your teachers have been filling your head with for the past decade or so. They have not been teaching you, they have been indoctrinating you, big difference.
    The USA are/was a Constitutional Republic. Not a democracy, (or oligarchy as it appears to be becoming).
    The foundation of the government is the recognizance that all men are endowed with the ability to rule themselves through their elected officials and thus enjoy the fruits of their labor without undue interference.

    Keep this in mind as you enjoy the site... oh, and beware of Sorosians...
     
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    Good for you! Are you going to school in a state that leans
    towards states rights and away from dependence on federal govt?

    The biggest split I see between liberals and conservatives,
    Democrats and Republicans, is the difference in belief about the role of govt:

    Conservative Constitutionalists tend toward the position that rights and responsibilities
    belong with people first, then the state, and last the federal govt which
    should only exercise authority within the limits of the Constitution,
    and only gain more authority by amendment to the Constitution.
    This notion of courts making laws by rulings, or executive orders to bypass the legislature,
    is seen as abuse and overriding separation of powers and checks and balances.

    People who don't put the Constitution first as the guideline and central standard,
    can be more relative, and push for "any laws" passing as long as they go through
    the given process through legislatures and courts --
    i.e., pushing for govt to take on more responsibility for the people's welfare,
    even at the expense of Constitutional restrictions, until and unless
    the courts find otherwise, all that is needed is majority rule and it becomes law.

    The worse problems with the two major parties is
    exploiting the division in class between the poor (who
    tend not to have experience or education in ownership so
    that making and keeping them dependent on party or govt for help
    makes them vulnerable to buy out their votes and lose their leverage to check govt),
    and the rich who don't want to fund dependence on govt and massive bureaucracies
    built around social programs poorly run by govt when private sector could do a better job.

    So one is conditioned to fear corporate welfare and blame the rich for abusing govt,
    while the other is conditioned to fear social welfare and blame the poor for abusing govt.

    Both sides, instead of correcting these problems, deny them and try to push blame on the other
    for political points.

    Where we are today is between Occupy, the Tea Party, independent supporters of
    Sanders and Trump trying to overcome career politicians hijacking both parties, etc.
    people are rejecting the partisan politics of corporate buying and selling of agenda,
    and people in both major parties are calling for reform and answering to the working
    people instead of politicians kowtowing to corporate interests that buy out both parties.

    The corporations, the media and the political parties are NOT regulated by the Constitution.

    So all of that influence is a distraction from enforcing the Constitution to get govt back on track.

    But what you will see, instead of people enforcing Constitutional corrections,
    are people lobbying through the media to influence politicians and public policy.

    That's where America is because we are not educating and empowering our citizenry
    to learn and enforce the laws and process in the Constitution, but just teaching them
    as Clinton and Trump are doing, that whatever we see in the media is what influences elections and power.

    The true power and authority lies with people taking back charge and responsibility
    for self-governance, but you won't see that taught in the media.

    If you find the Constitutional and Tea Party and Libertarian groups that teach
    Constitutional history and law, you will understand how far we have strayed.

    So it may be hard to teach these principles, since very few people are following and enforcing them.
    Most people go with the popular means today of using party and media to lobby for reforms.

    It's not about consent of the governed, and defending equal protections of the laws for all.
    It's about fighting for one's own beliefs, and getting caught in competition with other people doing the same.

    It's very sad to me we don't use our resources to work out conflicts, find common solutions
    and invest in those instead. Most people just pour money into campaigns to compete to hire
    or elect the bigger bully to override the other party equally fighting for those beliefs and members
    trying to defend their interests.

    So party politics has become more important than sticking with common Constitutional principles,
    and pushing help for people to solve their own problems and govern their own resources locally.

    When this phase comes to a head, at some point we should figure it out we'd do better
    working together to make sure all of America is equally represented, rather than parties
    compete to dominate, each only representing half the nation, and taking turns undercutting each other.
     
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    Point to the place on the teddy bear where the government touched you.

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