Here we go again. Repeal Ocare with TCare take Three.

[easyt65]

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies who are now forced to cover bankrupting pre existing conditions. What future is left after that sinks in? NONE

Obama's Big Gubment 'Single Payer'.

Maybe Americans will one day wake to the realization of how they have been HERDED like 'cattle' down this path...but it will be too late at that point.

 

[deanrd]

McConnell says they have till Sept 30th to pass it. I suppose since it eliminates the mandate & sends the money to the states I can support it.
Surprised Rand Paul would rather keep Ocare than pass this.

I know. It's so fantastic.

Throws tens of millions off healthcare right away.
Ends that nasty pre existing conditions nonsense.
Throws children off healthcare.
Caps what can be spent.

And, best of all, will lead to billions in tax breaks for the super rich so they can create more automated jobs.

It's fantastic!

 

[rightwinger]

There is only one thing collapsing Obamacare right now - REPUBLICANS and all the market uncertainty they are whipping up that makes any future planning for insurance companies a guessing game.

While snowflakes continue to declare Americans will lose coverage if the ACA is repealed there are already millions of Americans who are out of coverage due to insurers leaving exchanges, leaving no insurers left. Many are left, due to massive increases, unable to afford 'affordable' health care.

And as long as the Federal Govt continues to pay into / for the Obama program sworn to pay for itself, not cost a dime, and which would lower the cost of health care it can survive.

If left to operate as it was always promised, it would have already collapsed.

THEY ARE LEAVING BECAUSE REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP ADMIN ARE DISRUPTING THE MARKETS.

Thanks a lot!

If this bill passes we are shooting straight up back to 18%+ uninsured in this country.

No.

It was promised it would pay for itself. It hasn't.
It was promised it would not cost a dime. It has.
It was promised to lower premiums. In some cases it has more than doubled it.
Harry Reid declared it was always meant to fail, a stepping stone to Single Payer.

If the ACA had not been a minority-supported, socialist-agenda-driven POS that the majority of Americans opposed, Liberals would not have had to ram it through into law in the wee hours of the morning while most Americans slept, only to learn of the betrayal when they awoke the next morning.

If the ACA would have been a 'good' idea / piece of legislation Democrats who voted for it would have actually known what was in the bill they voted for, Obama would have kept his promise to the American people and would have given them 72 hours to read it before the vote was cast, and it would have been more of a partisan bill....

There is no legitimate justification for the law, how it was sold', how it was rammed into law, and how it has failed thus far as compared to what was promised...but snowflakes will try to do it anyway.

Could I get links to those promises?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Take responsibility for once in your life.

This catastrophe was predicted YEARS ago.
You passed it you own it.

Bullshit - what was predicted was a period of market volatility and restructuring followed by a settling period. The settling period CAN'T HAPPEN is the legislative ground is constantly getting shaken up.

Lies. Completely fabricated bullshit.

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies for a few min and consider how you'd plan for 2018 in this environment of total uncertainty about the future of the market.

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies who are now forced to cover bankrupting pre existing conditions. What future is left after that sinks in?

NONE

You are seriously comparing common pre-existing condition actuarial data analysis and pricing to trying to figure out wtf those Republicans are going to do next?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes I am. While the idea of forced coverage is nice it is not practical. Insurance companies are created as a for profit gamble, but you idiots are trying to turn them into a government charity. It will never work.

 

[AntonToo]

There is only one thing collapsing Obamacare right now - REPUBLICANS and all the market uncertainty they are whipping up that makes any future planning for insurance companies a guessing game.

While snowflakes continue to declare Americans will lose coverage if the ACA is repealed there are already millions of Americans who are out of coverage due to insurers leaving exchanges, leaving no insurers left. Many are left, due to massive increases, unable to afford 'affordable' health care.

And as long as the Federal Govt continues to pay into / for the Obama program sworn to pay for itself, not cost a dime, and which would lower the cost of health care it can survive.

If left to operate as it was always promised, it would have already collapsed.

THEY ARE LEAVING BECAUSE REPUBLICANS AND TRUMP ADMIN ARE DISRUPTING THE MARKETS.

Thanks a lot!

If this bill passes we are shooting straight up back to 18%+ uninsured in this country.

No.

It was promised it would pay for itself. It hasn't.

Nonsense. Projections were 10 year out.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

McConnell says they have till Sept 30th to pass it. I suppose since it eliminates the mandate & sends the money to the states I can support it.
Surprised Rand Paul would rather keep Ocare than pass this.

I know. It's so fantastic.

Throws tens of millions off healthcare right away.
Ends that nasty pre existing conditions nonsense.
Throws children off healthcare.
Caps what can be spent.

And, best of all, will lead to billions in tax breaks for the super rich so they can create more automated jobs.

It's fantastic!

All that AFTER we beat your puppy and starve your cat!

Idiot

 

[easyt65]

Nonsense. Projections were 10 year out.

Yes...and if you liked your plan / doctor you could keep them...

 

[Siete]

so its down to take what you can get if you're a RW'r ... bad choice.

they're not interested in anything but holding on to their pride. Second or third best never works out in the long run - EVER.

THEY TRAPPED THEMSELVES AGAIN.

idiots.

They did but I want the mandate gone.

rather than kill it, amend it in congress EXACTLY LIKE THEY SHOULD DO. fix the bad, keep the working parts

but nooooooooooooooooooooooo.. big big hurry ...


IDIOTS

 

[AntonToo]

Bullshit - what was predicted was a period of market volatility and restructuring followed by a settling period. The settling period CAN'T HAPPEN is the legislative ground is constantly getting shaken up.

Lies. Completely fabricated bullshit.

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies for a few min and consider how you'd plan for 2018 in this environment of total uncertainty about the future of the market.

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies who are now forced to cover bankrupting pre existing conditions. What future is left after that sinks in?

NONE

You are seriously comparing common pre-existing condition actuarial data analysis and pricing to trying to figure out wtf those Republicans are going to do next?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes I am. While the idea of forced coverage is nice it is not practical. Insurance companies are created as a for profit gamble, but you idiots are trying to turn them into a government charity. It will never work.

Ok now WE KNOW you don't know what you are talking about.

Insurance companies are not "gambling", they use statistical models to forecast expenses and price their premiums accordingly - IT IS THEIR JOB.

What they CAN'T realistically price in is the distinct possibility of Republicans turning the whole market upside down tomorrow.

 

[Siete]

Nonsense. Projections were 10 year out.

Yes...and if you liked your plan / doctor you could keep them...

STFU .. I KEPT MY DR AND MY POLICY.

 

[Richard-H]

In the words of Winston Churchill:

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."

So it looks like we'll have to go thru a few variations of market based healthcare systems until we finally get to the inevitable: Fully Socialized Healthcare.

 

[easyt65]

STFU .. I KEPT MY DR AND MY POLICY.

'TRIGGERED" Bwuhahahaha....

Congrats - you are one of the FEW who got to do so......

 

[AntonToo]

Nonsense. Projections were 10 year out.

Yes...and if you liked your plan / doctor you could keep them...

How is that a sane response?

 

[easyt65]

In the words of Winston Churchill:

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."

So it looks like we'll have to go thru a few variations of market based healthcare systems until we finally get to the inevitable: Fully Socialized Healthcare.

I would exactly call that 'finally doing the right thing'.

The Democrats completely destroyed the previously existing health care system, replacing it with govt-defined minimum-mandated coverage.

Once the ACA collapses, Americans will struggle in the aftermath to rebuild/re-create, all the while facing the same pro-Single Payer forces that continue to manipulate markets and factors, continuing to HERD Americans towards Single payer...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Lies. Completely fabricated bullshit.

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies for a few min and consider how you'd plan for 2018 in this environment of total uncertainty about the future of the market.

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies who are now forced to cover bankrupting pre existing conditions. What future is left after that sinks in?

NONE

You are seriously comparing common pre-existing condition actuarial data analysis and pricing to trying to figure out wtf those Republicans are going to do next?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes I am. While the idea of forced coverage is nice it is not practical. Insurance companies are created as a for profit gamble, but you idiots are trying to turn them into a government charity. It will never work.

Ok now WE KNOW you don't know what you are talking about.

Insurance companies are not "gambling", they use statistical models to predict expenses and price their premiums accordingly - IT IS THEIR JOB.

What they CAN'T realistically price in is the possibility of Republicans turning the whole market upside down tomorrow.

Delusions. Statistical models can not predict bank breaking terminal or other bank breaking medical emergencies & situations. THEY ARE GAMBLING and when they start losing they typically cut your coverage and sometimes cancel your policy. That is and always has been the business model.

You're just an idiot that fell for the liberal bullshit you've been fed and substituted it for reality.

Face it, you are expecting the insurance industry to replace your dreams of government control and it isn't working out very well.

 

[AntonToo]

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies for a few min and consider how you'd plan for 2018 in this environment of total uncertainty about the future of the market.

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies who are now forced to cover bankrupting pre existing conditions. What future is left after that sinks in?

NONE

You are seriously comparing common pre-existing condition actuarial data analysis and pricing to trying to figure out wtf those Republicans are going to do next?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes I am. While the idea of forced coverage is nice it is not practical. Insurance companies are created as a for profit gamble, but you idiots are trying to turn them into a government charity. It will never work.

Ok now WE KNOW you don't know what you are talking about.

Insurance companies are not "gambling", they use statistical models to predict expenses and price their premiums accordingly - IT IS THEIR JOB.

What they CAN'T realistically price in is the possibility of Republicans turning the whole market upside down tomorrow.

Delusions. Statistical models can not predict bank breaking terminal or other bank breaking medical emergencies & situations.

LOL!

Yes they can, because guess what, THEY HAPPEN AT MORE OR LESS COMMON FREQUENCIES among a population large enough.

It's like predicting average life expectancy for 2017 - we KNOW that it will be very close to 80, even if we don't know who specifically will die.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Yea? Put yourself in the shoes of insurance companies who are now forced to cover bankrupting pre existing conditions. What future is left after that sinks in?

NONE

You are seriously comparing common pre-existing condition actuarial data analysis and pricing to trying to figure out wtf those Republicans are going to do next?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Yes I am. While the idea of forced coverage is nice it is not practical. Insurance companies are created as a for profit gamble, but you idiots are trying to turn them into a government charity. It will never work.

Ok now WE KNOW you don't know what you are talking about.

Insurance companies are not "gambling", they use statistical models to predict expenses and price their premiums accordingly - IT IS THEIR JOB.

What they CAN'T realistically price in is the possibility of Republicans turning the whole market upside down tomorrow.

Delusions. Statistical models can not predict bank breaking terminal or other bank breaking medical emergencies & situations.

LOL!

Yes they can, because guess what, THEY HAPPEN AT MORE OR LESS COMMON FREQUENCIES among a population large enough.

More of less.

So exactly as I said. GAMBLING. A calculated risk you called it right? Which is GAMBLING.

You're an idiot and I'm done here

 

[toobfreak]

ANY change to healthcare would be an improvement. They need to get something done and worry about more perfect solutions incrementally in the future once the pressure is off. They were supposed to pass this in order to generate the revenue to make tax reform practical!

 

[Mac1958]

How in the world do they determine what percentage of the available pool of funds goes to each state?

Medical costs vary by area, often by county. Utilization rates vary by area. Age varies by area. General health varies by area. Access varies by area.

Silly.
.

 

[Richard-H]

After having worked for a military contractor some years ago, I realized the government contracting was just 'Socialism with a middleman.'

The American people got the same product as if it were socialized. The workers got the same wages & benefits as if it were socialized. But there were a few privileged 'fat cats' that made millions from the American tax payers - the middlemen.

Insurance is fundamentally a communal fund. A whole lot of people contribute to a 'pool', then when one of them needs it, they get paid out of that pool.

But, there's 'fat cats' that profiteer off that pool - taking money from the contributors.

So why not eliminate the 'fat cats'? They contribute NOTHING.