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Yawn.
Ice has been melting for the last 14,000 years
And refreezing as well.
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Yawn.
Ice has been melting for the last 14,000 years
Sorry to bust up this party with facts.. But we REALLY REALLY should get a grip and look at some data...
Sorry to bust up this party with facts.. But we REALLY REALLY should get a grip and look at some data...
So you declare a rapid increase arctic temperatures is proof AGW theory is wrong, even though such a rapid increase never happened before, and even though AGW theory specifically predicted the rapid increase in arctic temperatures well ahead of time? Even for you, that's dumb.
As can be seen from this thread, a common factor among denialists is that, without exception, they all suck in epic fashion at basic logical thinking. One factor that breeds denialists is a near-total inability to think logically.
The other factor is a disregard for honestly. Again, as you can see from this thread, denialists are almost always right-wing political cultists (the opposite of AGW scientists, who come from all political persuasions, and who don't spend their days going off on crazy political rants). Naturally, denialists will deny the purely political basis of their beliefs. In the moral relativist denialist mind, lying is morally justifiable, so long as those lies aid them their quest to hate the people on their enemies list.
Who gives a fuck about the goddamned ice-cap ?
Fucking asswipe...
yo chickenshit thanks for stopping by
Sorry to bust up this party with facts.. But we REALLY REALLY should get a grip and look at some data...
So you declare a rapid increase arctic temperatures is proof AGW theory is wrong, even though such a rapid increase never happened before, and even though AGW theory specifically predicted the rapid increase in arctic temperatures well ahead of time? Even for you, that's dumb.
As can be seen from this thread, a common factor among denialists is that, without exception, they all suck in epic fashion at basic logical thinking. One factor that breeds denialists is a near-total inability to think logically.
The other factor is a disregard for honesty. Again, as you can see from this thread, denialists are almost always right-wing political cultists (the opposite of AGW scientists, who come from all political persuasions, and who don't spend their days going off on crazy political rants). Naturally, denialists will deny the purely political basis of their beliefs. In the moral relativist denialist mind, lying is morally justifiable, so long as those lies aid them their quest to hate the people on their enemies list.
Sorry to bust up this party with facts.. But we REALLY REALLY should get a grip and look at some data...
(for those who can't navigate a link --- It's NASA.GOV..)
Ice melts when the temp increases.. There were no pretty real-time satellite pixs in the 1930s, but i imagine if there WERE --- we wouldn't all be listening to panty wetting going on NOW about the melt.
ALL ANECTODAL and historical records indicate the melt in the mid 30s and 40s was substantially the same if not more severe than the recent trend..
If you stare at the graph and the trendlines for a minute or 2 --- you'll learn a bit about panicking about climate over a couple decades of observation.. Might help the incontinience problem we're seeing...
Sorry to bust up this party with facts.. But we REALLY REALLY should get a grip and look at some data...
So you declare a rapid increase arctic temperatures is proof AGW theory is wrong, even though such a rapid increase never happened before, and even though AGW theory specifically predicted the rapid increase in arctic temperatures well ahead of time? Even for you, that's dumb.
As can be seen from this thread, a common factor among denialists is that, without exception, they all suck in epic fashion at basic logical thinking. One factor that breeds denialists is a near-total inability to think logically.
The other factor is a disregard for honestly. Again, as you can see from this thread, denialists are almost always right-wing political cultists (the opposite of AGW scientists, who come from all political persuasions, and who don't spend their days going off on crazy political rants). Naturally, denialists will deny the purely political basis of their beliefs. In the moral relativist denialist mind, lying is morally justifiable, so long as those lies aid them their quest to hate the people on their enemies list.
How do you know it has never happened before... Earth has been here much longer than scientists have been recording changing climate.
The LOLberals still believe that the earth is under our controla nd if we just do what they say, the earth will participate in the LOLberal agenda.
Do you think it was a worthy lead story when it was proven that professors were cooking the books on global warming?
By the way, I notice you call it 'climate change' now b/c you hacks are actually convinced you were wrong after all.
Quite simply --- he's wrong.
Quite simply --- he's wrong.
Quite simply, you posted a graph that ended at year 2000, and then pretended the last decade didn't exist. It's not the weirdest thing you've ever done, but it's up there.
Say, why don't you post a more current graph? Oh wait, that would debunk your claim. Looks like it's up to me.
Dang. So much for your "but ... but ... the 1930's were just as bad!" claim. Keep trying. Your cult expects some top-quality cherrypicking out of you, and you don't dare disobey.
People in New York City and Miami might be interested.
So here we are with Dueling graphs that don't look the same for the 30s/40s and show MORE/LESS warming in the Arctic for the present warming trend.
How did we get here?? GISS has been caught adjusting this data for YEARS.. It's not as tho the RAW DATA changed -- it's that the data's been "adjusted and homogenized" MULTIPLE times a year for years.
So I guess we're gonna part ways on this about now.. I'll stick with the older "RAWER" data and more reasonable massages. You can have the fudge and remain completely oblivous to the tampering... We can BOTH be happy. But you will be dissappointed when all this "created" crisis comes tumbling down on it's own weight on your head.
Plenty of people have been following along with this data larceny -- it HAS happened.
Data Tampering: GISS Caught Red-Handed Manipulating Data To Produce Arctic Climate History Revision
Note SPECIFICALLY the last graph that shows the result of COOLING THE 30s and WARMING the current era.. With a little boost for the pesky 1960/70 readings. If you were gonna "pad" your argument for AGW -- you couldn't ask for more could you?
This larceny is HAPPENING. That's why the graphs are different.
The first single station graph above --- is a blatant Cooling for the 30s/40s and a blatant boost for the 60s/70s.
A 0.5degC cooling added to the 1930s does WONDERS for the cause don't it?
I have verified the individual changes to many of these stations. IanC follows this in detail.
Nasa will still show you the diff between latest GISS and the PREVIOUS version -- but will NO LONGER make any earlier or RAW data available..
You figure it out...
The glaciers continue to recede, the Arctic Ice is on a curve to be virtually gone for part of August and September between 2015 and 2020. Both Antarctica and Greenland are losing ice by the gigaton, and at an increasing rate. The weather extremes have increased in frequency. All of this is happening far faster than the alarmists ever predicted.
And you fellows are still stuck on it's all being made up. Lordy, lordy!