i've seen enough of your palin threads to know you are not rational about hersays anyone that isnt irrational about herSays you, Divey.
Meh, if you wanna debate this again, start a Palin thread. I'm game.
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i've seen enough of your palin threads to know you are not rational about hersays anyone that isnt irrational about herSays you, Divey.
Meh, if you wanna debate this again, start a Palin thread. I'm game.
Yes, he is, Sunni Man. These men we have been discussing are all good examples of how us Americans like our history whitewashed.
is it wrong to admire someone for the good they did or do we have to trash them because they did someone bad?Yes, he is, Sunni Man. These men we have been discussing are all good examples of how us Americans like our history whitewashed.
Why bring up alleged anti-semitism on the right with forty or fifty year old cherry picked statements? Is it a desperate effort to camouflage the support for the muslem brotherhood by the UN and the Obama administration? Look at former president Jimmy Carter's rantings and you get a feel for the modern left's anti-semitism.
So true Dive Con;is it wrong to admire someone for the good they did or do we have to trash them because they did someone bad?Yes, he is, Sunni Man. These men we have been discussing are all good examples of how us Americans like our history whitewashed.
very poor example, and you know itSo true Dive Con;is it wrong to admire someone for the good they did or do we have to trash them because they did someone bad?Yes, he is, Sunni Man. These men we have been discussing are all good examples of how us Americans like our history whitewashed.
Hitler did many wonderful things for the German people and revitalised the German economy..
But people only seem to remember his WWII misunderstandings with other countries.![]()
I'm hoping we can discuss this dispassionately.
Does anyone know when and why the Right pushed antisemitism from the party's mainstream into the neo-nazi fringe?
Save Pat Buchanan, who is sympathetic to the Holocaust Denial movement, one can no longer find vocal antisemitism on the Right.
The old American Right was filled with a small, but very vocal coalition of people who did not trust Jews or Israel. I'm talking about the days when Jews were not allowed into country clubs. I'm talking about the days of Henry Ford.
Why are so many on the Right now afraid to be openly antisemitic and openly anti-Israel? This is not a rhetorical question or snarky potshot designed to call people on the Right closet antisemites -- I realize that the majority of people on the Right today are not antisemitic.
Can anyone explain how and why the party evolved away from antisemitism?
I'm trying to figure out if Cold War anti-Communism -- which invested heavily in Israel as a geopolitical asset -- was the reason for the shift. That is, once the party needed Israel to fulfill its visionary globalism (where Washington emerged as the chief facilitator and benefactor of the global market system), it was forced to keep antisemitism alive only on the margins, where it could still be used to agitate the base, e.g., Nixon's Liberal Jewish Media. [Of course, the true rightwing antisemite will tell you that Washington is Israel's puppet, not the other way around. They think the world is secretly run by a conspiracy of soulless Jewish bankers (-this is exactly what the Medieval Church and then Hitler said). Interestingly, you will not see the mainstream right denounce this conspiracy because it is candy for their uneducated base, who, in exchange for their electoral support, are given a political outlet for hating gays, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews, blacks, etc., etc.]
**I'm assuming people here are familiar with European antisemitism, and the way Jews were seen as Christ killers who were a plague on Christian culture. The Medieval church was ferociously anti-Jewish. Jews were literally constructed as agents of the devil because they rejected Jesus' revelation. Antisemitism in Europe calcified into a commonsense banality that affected generations of Christians. Christians in America were not immune to this.
I'm hoping we can discuss this dispassionately.
Does anyone know when and why the Right pushed antisemitism from the party's mainstream into the neo-nazi fringe?
Save Pat Buchanan, who is sympathetic to the Holocaust Denial movement, one can no longer find vocal antisemitism on the Right.
The old American Right was filled with a small, but very vocal coalition of people who did not trust Jews or Israel. I'm talking about the days when Jews were not allowed into country clubs. I'm talking about the days of Henry Ford.
Why are so many on the Right now afraid to be openly antisemitic and openly anti-Israel? This is not a rhetorical question or snarky potshot designed to call people on the Right closet antisemites -- I realize that the majority of people on the Right today are not antisemitic.
Can anyone explain how and why the party evolved away from antisemitism?
I'm trying to figure out if Cold War anti-Communism -- which invested heavily in Israel as a geopolitical asset -- was the reason for the shift. That is, once the party needed Israel to fulfill its visionary globalism (where Washington emerged as the chief facilitator and benefactor of the global market system), it was forced to keep antisemitism alive only on the margins, where it could still be used to agitate the base, e.g., Nixon's Liberal Jewish Media. [Of course, the true rightwing antisemite will tell you that Washington is Israel's puppet, not the other way around. They think the world is secretly run by a conspiracy of soulless Jewish bankers (-this is exactly what the Medieval Church and then Hitler said). Interestingly, you will not see the mainstream right denounce this conspiracy because it is candy for their uneducated base, who, in exchange for their electoral support, are given a political outlet for hating gays, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews, blacks, etc., etc.]
**I'm assuming people here are familiar with European antisemitism, and the way Jews were seen as Christ killers who were a plague on Christian culture. The Medieval church was ferociously anti-Jewish. Jews were literally constructed as agents of the devil because they rejected Jesus' revelation. Antisemitism in Europe calcified into a commonsense banality that affected generations of Christians. Christians in America were not immune to this.
Charles Main wrote:
I hope you are not under the delusion that Antisemitism is something exclusive to the Far right. It runs just as deep on the far left as it does on the right.
Are you speaking of today, Charles? Where do you see anti-semitism in the left now?
more proof you are the fucking moron i call youCharles Main wrote:
I hope you are not under the delusion that Antisemitism is something exclusive to the Far right. It runs just as deep on the far left as it does on the right.
Are you speaking of today, Charles? Where do you see anti-semitism in the left now?
It's there. The Democratic Party is inclusive. That means that along with the liberals and all the other groups, you will also have racists and uneducated, those that dismiss science and even conservatives. It's why it's a coalition party. The good comes with the bad.
Unlike the Republicans. 90% white, mostly Christian. They hate nearly everyone equally.
Check your premise....It's still a part of the mainstream.I'm still trying to figure out how the democrat party pushed their racism from the party's mainstream to the lunatic racist fringe. Al Gore's father, senator Al Gore was a segregationist. Democrat senator Harry Byrd who died last year was some sort of grand kleagle in the KKK and used the "N" word in public during his entire career.
Check in on their attitudes toward people like Clarence Thomas and J.C. Watts to get your reality check.
Today's American & European Leftists are far more Anti Semitic/Anti-Israel than today's Right Wing/Conservatives are. Most Conservatives/Right Wingers are actually staunch supporters of Israel. This cannot be said for most of today's American & European Leftists. Most of the hate i observe being expressed towards Jews/Israelis comes from wild-eyed Lefty nutters. Hey just my observations though.
I'm hoping we can discuss this dispassionately.
Does anyone know when and why the Right pushed antisemitism from the party's mainstream into the neo-nazi fringe?
Save Pat Buchanan, who is sympathetic to the Holocaust Denial movement, one can no longer find vocal antisemitism on the Right.
The old American Right was filled with a small, but very vocal coalition of people who did not trust Jews or Israel. I'm talking about the days when Jews were not allowed into country clubs. I'm talking about the days of Henry Ford.
Why are so many on the Right now afraid to be openly antisemitic and openly anti-Israel? This is not a rhetorical question or snarky potshot designed to call people on the Right closet antisemites -- I realize that the majority of people on the Right today are not antisemitic.
Can anyone explain how and why the party evolved away from antisemitism?
I'm trying to figure out if Cold War anti-Communism -- which invested heavily in Israel as a geopolitical asset -- was the reason for the shift. That is, once the party needed Israel to fulfill its visionary globalism (where Washington emerged as the chief facilitator and benefactor of the global market system), it was forced to keep antisemitism alive only on the margins, where it could still be used to agitate the base, e.g., Nixon's Liberal Jewish Media. [Of course, the true rightwing antisemite will tell you that Washington is Israel's puppet, not the other way around. They think the world is secretly run by a conspiracy of soulless Jewish bankers (-this is exactly what the Medieval Church and then Hitler said). Interestingly, you will not see the mainstream right denounce this conspiracy because it is candy for their uneducated base, who, in exchange for their electoral support, are given a political outlet for hating gays, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews, blacks, etc., etc.]
**I'm assuming people here are familiar with European antisemitism, and the way Jews were seen as Christ killers who were a plague on Christian culture. The Medieval church was ferociously anti-Jewish. Jews were literally constructed as agents of the devil because they rejected Jesus' revelation. Antisemitism in Europe calcified into a commonsense banality that affected generations of Christians. Christians in America were not immune to this.
Who was Harry ByrdI'm still trying to figure out how the democrat party pushed their racism from the party's mainstream to the lunatic racist fringe. Al Gore's father, senator Al Gore was a segregationist. Democrat senator Harry Byrd who died last year was some sort of grand kleagle in the KKK and used the "N" word in public during his entire career.