Hello impeachment, goodbye democracy.

[Porter Rockwell]

There is a chilling possibility threatening our democracy obvious to those who watched the impeachment inquiries that have bottlenecked Congress preventing it from doing anything useful to solve the nation’s most pressing problems. That possibility is that the democratic party has produced such a stunted sense of reality among its followers that democracy itself could be in peril.

No one doubts that the transition from actual democracy to authoritarian oligarchy was well underway before Trump interrupted it. But the reaction to that upset by the industrial grade slobbering pomposity of the deep state has propagated such a delusional, true-believing, jack booted and hate-fueled national goon platoon of democratic voters that democracy itself is in the balance.

Only the most gullible of citizens is unaware that the president’s impeachment by the state was job one even before he took office in 2017. The danger is that the indoctrinated hatred of about half the US population is being used by the democratic party to attack democracy in order to preserve an elitist, autocratic, self-serving nucleus of embedded central planners armed with the aid and comfort of propaganda platforms disguised as objective national media.

In a democracy the people elect a president but in a controlled totalitarian state that has been masquerading as a democracy, the people must follow the state. If the people become so bold as to oppose the state as they did when they elected Trump, then their choice must be set aside or overthrown. Even if the people sense that the government is not acting in their best interest it is not their place to defy the state that knows best-of course it knows best for the state not the people.

The impeachment inquiries, launched to suggest that the president’s concerns about the activities of a crack-smoking, widow-servicing, brothel-hopping son of a then vice president is a propaganda show trial. With the former vice president on tape extorting influence money from Ukrainian officials by threatening to withhold aid, any reasonable observer can easily figure out who the real culprits are.

But propagandized hate wields a powerful influence, powerful enough to convince its targets to abandon democracy. Democracy means that the people decide who leads them at the ballot box, not by partisan government inventions of crimes against the state.

The president is a populist threatening the state and the state has no place for actual democracy. To the state it’s just a word.

Wrong.

The impeachment process is the reaffirmation of democracy.

In essence, the impeachment process is the people telling the states that the states got it wrong regarding whom the states elected president.

The people’s representatives in the House, whose members were elected via the democratic process, are authorized by Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution to submit to the states (the Senate) evidence as to why a president is unfit to hold office, and should be removed from office pursuant to that evidence.

Impeachment is the ultimate expression of democracy, reflecting the will of the people.

Democracy sucks. The states don't have any power since we elect United States Senators by direct election, so quit blaming the states.

 

[kyzr]

The real danger is in the Senate. To acquit they have to either ignore the past two weeks of testimony or decide that the QPQ was not serious enough to warrant removal. Either way it is an attack on our two party system using our bipartisan foreign policy against one of the parties.

1. To acquit the GOP would need to follow the law. Two law professors can testify the Ukraine issue is not a "high crime" and is not impeachable.
Trump's Ukraine transcript: Unwise words but no proof of a crime
Alan Dershowitz to Newsmax TV: 'Political Sin' Not a Crime

2. Censure would be the correct remedy prescribed by law. Impeachment is a serious overreach.

3. The Hunter Biden raked in $83,000 a month from Burisma, and then got a $1.5b "investment" from China following Joe's trip to China. So much money, so little work.
Hunter Biden's China Deal Partners Include Mobster Whitey Bulger's Nephew, John Kerry's Stepson - Washington Free Beacon

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There is a chilling possibility threatening our democracy obvious to those who watched the impeachment inquiries that have bottlenecked Congress preventing it from doing anything useful to solve the nation’s most pressing problems. That possibility is that the democratic party has produced such a stunted sense of reality among its followers that democracy itself could be in peril.

No one doubts that the transition from actual democracy to authoritarian oligarchy was well underway before Trump interrupted it. But the reaction to that upset by the industrial grade slobbering pomposity of the deep state has propagated such a delusional, true-believing, jack booted and hate-fueled national goon platoon of democratic voters that democracy itself is in the balance.

Only the most gullible of citizens is unaware that the president’s impeachment by the state was job one even before he took office in 2017. The danger is that the indoctrinated hatred of about half the US population is being used by the democratic party to attack democracy in order to preserve an elitist, autocratic, self-serving nucleus of embedded central planners armed with the aid and comfort of propaganda platforms disguised as objective national media.

In a democracy the people elect a president but in a controlled totalitarian state that has been masquerading as a democracy, the people must follow the state. If the people become so bold as to oppose the state as they did when they elected Trump, then their choice must be set aside or overthrown. Even if the people sense that the government is not acting in their best interest it is not their place to defy the state that knows best-of course it knows best for the state not the people.

The impeachment inquiries, launched to suggest that the president’s concerns about the activities of a crack-smoking, widow-servicing, brothel-hopping son of a then vice president is a propaganda show trial. With the former vice president on tape extorting influence money from Ukrainian officials by threatening to withhold aid, any reasonable observer can easily figure out who the real culprits are.

But propagandized hate wields a powerful influence, powerful enough to convince its targets to abandon democracy. Democracy means that the people decide who leads them at the ballot box, not by partisan government inventions of crimes against the state.

The president is a populist threatening the state and the state has no place for actual democracy. To the state it’s just a word.

Hello Impeachment, goodbye democrats

 

[kyzr]

Trump solicited the Ukrainians to investigate his political rival - Impeachable

Trump ordered his people to ignore a Congressional subpoena - Impeachable.

1. Trump wants Burisma investigated as required by law, not "the Bidens".
2. Executive Priviledge is a real thing, read up on it

No crimes, nothing impeachable, but go for it, the senate trial will be a scream.

 

[g5000]

Trump solicited the Ukrainians to investigate his political rival - Impeachable

Trump ordered his people to ignore a Congressional subpoena - Impeachable.

1. Trump wants Burisma investigated as required by law, not "the Bidens".

Trump very specifically mentioned the Bidens. Twice.

Like the man says, "Read the transcript."

 

[g5000]

The real danger is in the Senate. To acquit they have to either ignore the past two weeks of testimony or decide that the QPQ was not serious enough to warrant removal. Either way it is an attack on our two party system using our bipartisan foreign policy against one of the parties.

1. To acquit the GOP would need to follow the law. Two law professors can testify the Ukraine issue is not a "high crime" and is not impeachable.
Trump's Ukraine transcript: Unwise words but no proof of a crime
Alan Dershowitz to Newsmax TV: 'Political Sin' Not a Crime

2. Censure would be the correct remedy prescribed by law. Impeachment is a serious overreach.

3. The Hunter Biden raked in $83,000 a month from Burisma, and then got a $1.5b "investment" from China following Joe's trip to China. So much money, so little work.
Hunter Biden's China Deal Partners Include Mobster Whitey Bulger's Nephew, John Kerry's Stepson - Washington Free Beacon

I guess nepotism is only okay in your eyes if the Trump's do it.

Ivanka Trump Wins China Trademarks, Then Her Father Vows to Save ZTE

China this month awarded Ivanka Trump seven new trademarks across a broad collection of businesses, including books, housewares and cushions.

At around the same time, President Trump vowed to find a way to prevent a major Chinese telecommunications company from going bust, even though the company has a history of violating American limits on doing business with countries like Iran and North Korea.


Even as Mr. Trump contends with Beijing on issues like security and trade, his family and the company that bears his name are trying to make money off their brand in China’s flush and potentially promising market.

The most recent slew of trademarks appear to have been granted along the same timeline as Ms. Trump’s previous requests, experts said. But more broadly, they said, Ms. Trump’s growing portfolio of trademarks in China and the family’s business interests there raises questions about whether Chinese officials are giving the Trump family extra consideration that they otherwise might not get.

These critics say the foreign governments that do business with Ms. Trump know they are dealing with the president’s daughter — a person who also works in the White House.

 

[g5000]

 

[g5000]

Trump, Bush 43, Iraq, and Impeachment | National Review

Strange as it may be to hear, the current president of the United States — a hero of the Republican party and the conservative movement — has the same view of the Bush administration and the Iraq War as the hard Left. As Code Pink, for example.

Trump was very hot for the impeachment of Bush. Indeed, it was the one thing he faulted Pelosi for (not impeaching).

The Bush’s and Clintons are best buddies.... They are above the law

 

[Siete]

There is a chilling possibility threatening our democracy obvious to those who watched the impeachment inquiries that have bottlenecked Congress preventing it from doing anything useful to solve the nation’s most pressing problems. That possibility is that the democratic party has produced such a stunted sense of reality among its followers that democracy itself could be in peril.

No one doubts that the transition from actual democracy to authoritarian oligarchy was well underway before Trump interrupted it. But the reaction to that upset by the industrial grade slobbering pomposity of the deep state has propagated such a delusional, true-believing, jack booted and hate-fueled national goon platoon of democratic voters that democracy itself is in the balance.

Only the most gullible of citizens is unaware that the president’s impeachment by the state was job one even before he took office in 2017. The danger is that the indoctrinated hatred of about half the US population is being used by the democratic party to attack democracy in order to preserve an elitist, autocratic, self-serving nucleus of embedded central planners armed with the aid and comfort of propaganda platforms disguised as objective national media.

In a democracy the people elect a president but in a controlled totalitarian state that has been masquerading as a democracy, the people must follow the state. If the people become so bold as to oppose the state as they did when they elected Trump, then their choice must be set aside or overthrown. Even if the people sense that the government is not acting in their best interest it is not their place to defy the state that knows best-of course it knows best for the state not the people.

The impeachment inquiries, launched to suggest that the president’s concerns about the activities of a crack-smoking, widow-servicing, brothel-hopping son of a then vice president is a propaganda show trial. With the former vice president on tape extorting influence money from Ukrainian officials by threatening to withhold aid, any reasonable observer can easily figure out who the real culprits are.

But propagandized hate wields a powerful influence, powerful enough to convince its targets to abandon democracy. Democracy means that the people decide who leads them at the ballot box, not by partisan government inventions of crimes against the state.

The president is a populist threatening the state and the state has no place for actual democracy. To the state it’s just a word.

Wrong.

The impeachment process is the reaffirmation of democracy.

In essence, the impeachment process is the people telling the states that the states got it wrong regarding whom the states elected president.

The people’s representatives in the House, whose members were elected via the democratic process, are authorized by Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution to submit to the states (the Senate) evidence as to why a president is unfit to hold office, and should be removed from office pursuant to that evidence.

Impeachment is the ultimate expression of democracy, reflecting the will of the people.

Democracy sucks. The states don't have any power since we elect United States Senators by direct election, so quit blaming the states.

is that why the right fights wars trying to shove democracy down 3rd world countries throat ?

 

[Defiant1]

impeachment IS democracy

stonewalling congress, ignoring subpoenas, refusing to allow party members to testify under oath is ABUSE OF POWER

not a democracy.
A republic with three co-equal branches.

 

[francoHFW]

There is a chilling possibility threatening our democracy obvious to those who watched the impeachment inquiries that have bottlenecked Congress preventing it from doing anything useful to solve the nation’s most pressing problems. That possibility is that the democratic party has produced such a stunted sense of reality among its followers that democracy itself could be in peril.

No one doubts that the transition from actual democracy to authoritarian oligarchy was well underway before Trump interrupted it. But the reaction to that upset by the industrial grade slobbering pomposity of the deep state has propagated such a delusional, true-believing, jack booted and hate-fueled national goon platoon of democratic voters that democracy itself is in the balance.

Only the most gullible of citizens is unaware that the president’s impeachment by the state was job one even before he took office in 2017. The danger is that the indoctrinated hatred of about half the US population is being used by the democratic party to attack democracy in order to preserve an elitist, autocratic, self-serving nucleus of embedded central planners armed with the aid and comfort of propaganda platforms disguised as objective national media.

In a democracy the people elect a president but in a controlled totalitarian state that has been masquerading as a democracy, the people must follow the state. If the people become so bold as to oppose the state as they did when they elected Trump, then their choice must be set aside or overthrown. Even if the people sense that the government is not acting in their best interest it is not their place to defy the state that knows best-of course it knows best for the state not the people.

The impeachment inquiries, launched to suggest that the president’s concerns about the activities of a crack-smoking, widow-servicing, brothel-hopping son of a then vice president is a propaganda show trial. With the former vice president on tape extorting influence money from Ukrainian officials by threatening to withhold aid, any reasonable observer can easily figure out who the real culprits are.

But propagandized hate wields a powerful influence, powerful enough to convince its targets to abandon democracy. Democracy means that the people decide who leads them at the ballot box, not by partisan government inventions of crimes against the state.

The president is a populist threatening the state and the state has no place for actual democracy. To the state it’s just a word.

Our de jure / lawful / constitutional form of government is a Republic. If the "Democracy" dies, then great. I want the Republic we were guaranteed in Article 4 Section 4 of the Constitution of the United States.

A republic is a representational democracy. You have no point except the one on top of your head, super duper.

 

[Meathead]

Putin is very happy with the results, you can be sure.

At least a tacit recognition of the failure of the hearings.

At this point I am not at all sure even the House will vote for impeachment.

 

[Polishprince]

There is a chilling possibility threatening our democracy obvious to those who watched the impeachment inquiries that have bottlenecked Congress preventing it from doing anything useful to solve the nation’s most pressing problems. That possibility is that the democratic party has produced such a stunted sense of reality among its followers that democracy itself could be in peril.

No one doubts that the transition from actual democracy to authoritarian oligarchy was well underway before Trump interrupted it. But the reaction to that upset by the industrial grade slobbering pomposity of the deep state has propagated such a delusional, true-believing, jack booted and hate-fueled national goon platoon of democratic voters that democracy itself is in the balance.

Only the most gullible of citizens is unaware that the president’s impeachment by the state was job one even before he took office in 2017. The danger is that the indoctrinated hatred of about half the US population is being used by the democratic party to attack democracy in order to preserve an elitist, autocratic, self-serving nucleus of embedded central planners armed with the aid and comfort of propaganda platforms disguised as objective national media.

In a democracy the people elect a president but in a controlled totalitarian state that has been masquerading as a democracy, the people must follow the state. If the people become so bold as to oppose the state as they did when they elected Trump, then their choice must be set aside or overthrown. Even if the people sense that the government is not acting in their best interest it is not their place to defy the state that knows best-of course it knows best for the state not the people.

The impeachment inquiries, launched to suggest that the president’s concerns about the activities of a crack-smoking, widow-servicing, brothel-hopping son of a then vice president is a propaganda show trial. With the former vice president on tape extorting influence money from Ukrainian officials by threatening to withhold aid, any reasonable observer can easily figure out who the real culprits are.

But propagandized hate wields a powerful influence, powerful enough to convince its targets to abandon democracy. Democracy means that the people decide who leads them at the ballot box, not by partisan government inventions of crimes against the state.

The president is a populist threatening the state and the state has no place for actual democracy. To the state it’s just a word.

If this liberal strategery to nullify the lawful election of Donald J. Trump is allowed to succeed, this is the end of democratic voting for sure.

How much respect do libs think that Sleepy Joe or Kamala the Hoe will get if elected from the people? Not very much. In fact, unless they win a majority in the Senate, they won't get cabinet officials confirmed. If the GOP were to gain the House, impeachment would be the first and only item of business until it is completed.

The D's are bad sports, they don't like the fact that Trump had the nerve to schlong Hillary and to actually work to implement his political will The libs have blocked some of Trump's ideas, but he's got around their obstruction on the wall through the courts and with the help of our tremendous friends in Mexico. No thanks to the libs. He still hasn't paid off the debt, but the D's have given him no help on this, spending money hand over fist for Witch Hunts.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

There is a chilling possibility threatening our democracy obvious to those who watched the impeachment inquiries that have bottlenecked Congress preventing it from doing anything useful to solve the nation’s most pressing problems. That possibility is that the democratic party has produced such a stunted sense of reality among its followers that democracy itself could be in peril.

No one doubts that the transition from actual democracy to authoritarian oligarchy was well underway before Trump interrupted it. But the reaction to that upset by the industrial grade slobbering pomposity of the deep state has propagated such a delusional, true-believing, jack booted and hate-fueled national goon platoon of democratic voters that democracy itself is in the balance.

Only the most gullible of citizens is unaware that the president’s impeachment by the state was job one even before he took office in 2017. The danger is that the indoctrinated hatred of about half the US population is being used by the democratic party to attack democracy in order to preserve an elitist, autocratic, self-serving nucleus of embedded central planners armed with the aid and comfort of propaganda platforms disguised as objective national media.

In a democracy the people elect a president but in a controlled totalitarian state that has been masquerading as a democracy, the people must follow the state. If the people become so bold as to oppose the state as they did when they elected Trump, then their choice must be set aside or overthrown. Even if the people sense that the government is not acting in their best interest it is not their place to defy the state that knows best-of course it knows best for the state not the people.

The impeachment inquiries, launched to suggest that the president’s concerns about the activities of a crack-smoking, widow-servicing, brothel-hopping son of a then vice president is a propaganda show trial. With the former vice president on tape extorting influence money from Ukrainian officials by threatening to withhold aid, any reasonable observer can easily figure out who the real culprits are.

But propagandized hate wields a powerful influence, powerful enough to convince its targets to abandon democracy. Democracy means that the people decide who leads them at the ballot box, not by partisan government inventions of crimes against the state.

The president is a populist threatening the state and the state has no place for actual democracy. To the state it’s just a word.

Wrong.

The impeachment process is the reaffirmation of democracy.

In essence, the impeachment process is the people telling the states that the states got it wrong regarding whom the states elected president.

The people’s representatives in the House, whose members were elected via the democratic process, are authorized by Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution to submit to the states (the Senate) evidence as to why a president is unfit to hold office, and should be removed from office pursuant to that evidence.

Impeachment is the ultimate expression of democracy, reflecting the will of the people.

Democracy sucks. The states don't have any power since we elect United States Senators by direct election, so quit blaming the states.

is that why the right fights wars trying to shove democracy down 3rd world countries throat ?

RINOs. Both sides screwing us.

 

[Siete]

There is a chilling possibility threatening our democracy obvious to those who watched the impeachment inquiries that have bottlenecked Congress preventing it from doing anything useful to solve the nation’s most pressing problems. That possibility is that the democratic party has produced such a stunted sense of reality among its followers that democracy itself could be in peril.

No one doubts that the transition from actual democracy to authoritarian oligarchy was well underway before Trump interrupted it. But the reaction to that upset by the industrial grade slobbering pomposity of the deep state has propagated such a delusional, true-believing, jack booted and hate-fueled national goon platoon of democratic voters that democracy itself is in the balance.

Only the most gullible of citizens is unaware that the president’s impeachment by the state was job one even before he took office in 2017. The danger is that the indoctrinated hatred of about half the US population is being used by the democratic party to attack democracy in order to preserve an elitist, autocratic, self-serving nucleus of embedded central planners armed with the aid and comfort of propaganda platforms disguised as objective national media.

In a democracy the people elect a president but in a controlled totalitarian state that has been masquerading as a democracy, the people must follow the state. If the people become so bold as to oppose the state as they did when they elected Trump, then their choice must be set aside or overthrown. Even if the people sense that the government is not acting in their best interest it is not their place to defy the state that knows best-of course it knows best for the state not the people.

The impeachment inquiries, launched to suggest that the president’s concerns about the activities of a crack-smoking, widow-servicing, brothel-hopping son of a then vice president is a propaganda show trial. With the former vice president on tape extorting influence money from Ukrainian officials by threatening to withhold aid, any reasonable observer can easily figure out who the real culprits are.

But propagandized hate wields a powerful influence, powerful enough to convince its targets to abandon democracy. Democracy means that the people decide who leads them at the ballot box, not by partisan government inventions of crimes against the state.

The president is a populist threatening the state and the state has no place for actual democracy. To the state it’s just a word.

Wrong.

The impeachment process is the reaffirmation of democracy.

In essence, the impeachment process is the people telling the states that the states got it wrong regarding whom the states elected president.

The people’s representatives in the House, whose members were elected via the democratic process, are authorized by Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution to submit to the states (the Senate) evidence as to why a president is unfit to hold office, and should be removed from office pursuant to that evidence.

Impeachment is the ultimate expression of democracy, reflecting the will of the people.

Democracy sucks. The states don't have any power since we elect United States Senators by direct election, so quit blaming the states.

is that why the right fights wars trying to shove democracy down 3rd world countries throat ?

RINOs. Both sides screwing us.

we are STILL fighting in the mid east so the Iraqui people could have a purple thumb -

that's 100% RW WAR....

 

[kyzr]

Trump solicited the Ukrainians to investigate his political rival - Impeachable

Trump ordered his people to ignore a Congressional subpoena - Impeachable.

1. Trump wants Burisma investigated as required by law, not "the Bidens".

Trump very specifically mentioned the Bidens. Twice.

Like the man says, "Read the transcript."

Even if he mentioned each Biden, the request was to work with Rudy and Barr to investigate Burisma, as to why Biden stopped the prosecution.
Hunter wasn't being prosecuted, Burisma was.

This Ukraine thing is a big nothingburger, so says two law professors:
'No crime there': Dershowitz backs Trump after impeachment hearings
Trump's Ukraine transcript: Unwise words but no proof of a crime

copied from the transcript:
"...I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If lying about a blowjob is a high crime and misdemeanor, then extorting a foreign power to provide dirt on a political opponent for personal gain is a many orders of magnitude greater high crime and misdemeanor.

The Republicans set the bar with Clinton. And it was called a "coup" and a "witch hunt" and a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and all kinds of nasty things back then, too.

The Republicans set the bar, and now they are reaping what they have sown.

Epstein was a frequent visitor to the Clinton White House. I'll bet he brought along many different 16 years old "nieces" to meet the President

 

[Rustic]

Trump, Bush 43, Iraq, and Impeachment | National Review

Strange as it may be to hear, the current president of the United States — a hero of the Republican party and the conservative movement — has the same view of the Bush administration and the Iraq War as the hard Left. As Code Pink, for example.

Trump was very hot for the impeachment of Bush. Indeed, it was the one thing he faulted Pelosi for (not impeaching).

The Bush’s and Clintons are best buddies.... They are above the law

Clintons always looking for campaign money... I think that’s fucking hilarious

 

[Siete]

Trump, Bush 43, Iraq, and Impeachment | National Review

Strange as it may be to hear, the current president of the United States — a hero of the Republican party and the conservative movement — has the same view of the Bush administration and the Iraq War as the hard Left. As Code Pink, for example.

Trump was very hot for the impeachment of Bush. Indeed, it was the one thing he faulted Pelosi for (not impeaching).

The Bush’s and Clintons are best buddies.... They are above the law

Clintons always looking for campaign money... I think that’s fucking hilarious

but but but but

C-L-I-N-T-O-N !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[g5000]

Trump, Bush 43, Iraq, and Impeachment | National Review

Strange as it may be to hear, the current president of the United States — a hero of the Republican party and the conservative movement — has the same view of the Bush administration and the Iraq War as the hard Left. As Code Pink, for example.

Trump was very hot for the impeachment of Bush. Indeed, it was the one thing he faulted Pelosi for (not impeaching).

The Bush’s and Clintons are best buddies.... They are above the law

Clintons always looking for campaign money... I think that’s fucking hilarious

That's true. 80 percent of Trump's political donations went to pro-abortionists.