Haneyya: Efforts underway to bridle Israeli escalation

[P F Tinmore]

You've never seen an excuse for denying the Palestinian Arabs free, fair democratic elections, have you? All your bullshit excuses could be overcome by calling for international monitors to oversee the election. Until the Hamas government is willing to submit to the will of the Palestinian people, it remains a dictatorship and an occupation government.

There is a constitutional procedure that must be followed. That would probably be acceptable.

Bullshit. Hamas has no respect for the constitution. The constitution requires that the election be called for by the President, but as along as Hamas refuses to recognize Abbas as the president, no elections can be called for. Meshal agreed to a Qatari brokered compromise with the PA for an interim government with Abbas as President, but the Hamas occupation forces in Gaza rejected the compromise in order to make elections impossible.

Hamas is strangling the life out of Palestinian Arab nationalist aspirations with its desperate and dishonest efforts to hang on to power.

Abbas is not complying with the agreement. He is holding up the elections,

 

[JStone]

There is a constitutional procedure that must be followed. That would probably be acceptable.

Bullshit. Hamas has no respect for the constitution. The constitution requires that the election be called for by the President, but as along as Hamas refuses to recognize Abbas as the president, no elections can be called for. Meshal agreed to a Qatari brokered compromise with the PA for an interim government with Abbas as President, but the Hamas occupation forces in Gaza rejected the compromise in order to make elections impossible.

Hamas is strangling the life out of Palestinian Arab nationalist aspirations with its desperate and dishonest efforts to hang on to power.

Abbas is not complying with the agreement. He is holding up the elections,

How's that Hamas Constitution workin' out?
HAMAS KILL FATAH PEAPLE IN GAZA

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is a constitutional procedure that must be followed. That would probably be acceptable.

Bullshit. Hamas has no respect for the constitution. The constitution requires that the election be called for by the President, but as along as Hamas refuses to recognize Abbas as the president, no elections can be called for. Meshal agreed to a Qatari brokered compromise with the PA for an interim government with Abbas as President, but the Hamas occupation forces in Gaza rejected the compromise in order to make elections impossible.

Hamas is strangling the life out of Palestinian Arab nationalist aspirations with its desperate and dishonest efforts to hang on to power.

Abbas is not complying with the agreement. He is holding up the elections,

Bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the agreement Meshal negotiated with Abbas in order to prevent elections so they could hold on to power. All the efforts to hold elections have come from Abbas and all the objections to holding elections have come from HOFG.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bullshit. Hamas has no respect for the constitution. The constitution requires that the election be called for by the President, but as along as Hamas refuses to recognize Abbas as the president, no elections can be called for. Meshal agreed to a Qatari brokered compromise with the PA for an interim government with Abbas as President, but the Hamas occupation forces in Gaza rejected the compromise in order to make elections impossible.

Hamas is strangling the life out of Palestinian Arab nationalist aspirations with its desperate and dishonest efforts to hang on to power.

Abbas is not complying with the agreement. He is holding up the elections,

Bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the agreement Meshal negotiated with Abbas in order to prevent elections so they could hold on to power. All the efforts to hold elections have come from Abbas and all the objections to holding elections have come from HOFG.

What part of the agreement is Abbas out of compliance?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Abbas is not complying with the agreement. He is holding up the elections,

Bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the agreement Meshal negotiated with Abbas in order to prevent elections so they could hold on to power. All the efforts to hold elections have come from Abbas and all the objections to holding elections have come from HOFG.

What part of the agreement is Abbas out of compliance?

More bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas agreement almost immediately in order to prevent elections so that they could hold on to power. Abbas never had the chance to violate anything before HOFG acted to prevent elections.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the agreement Meshal negotiated with Abbas in order to prevent elections so they could hold on to power. All the efforts to hold elections have come from Abbas and all the objections to holding elections have come from HOFG.

What part of the agreement is Abbas out of compliance?

More bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas agreement almost immediately in order to prevent elections so that they could hold on to power. Abbas never had the chance to violate anything before HOFG acted to prevent elections.

See, you don't know or you would not have given that answer. You are only looking at the propaganda version of this issue.

 

[JStone]

What part of the agreement is Abbas out of compliance?

More bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas agreement almost immediately in order to prevent elections so that they could hold on to power. Abbas never had the chance to violate anything before HOFG acted to prevent elections.

See, you don't know or you would not have given that answer. You are only looking at the propaganda version of this issue.

Hamas "propagandizes" they are arab occupiers of Israel from Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Palesteenian Hamas Minister of the Interior Fathi Hammad, Al-Hekma TV [Egypt]: "Half of the Palestiniains are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis

Brothers, there are 1.8 million of us in Gaza.Allah be praised, we all have Arab roots and every Palestinian in Gaza and throughout Palestine can prove his Arab roots--whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere.

Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that.

More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri [Egyptian]

Brothers, half of the Palestiniains are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis

Who are the Palestinians? we have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. we are Arabs. We are Muslims
Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad Slams Egypt over Fuel Shortage in Gaza Strip, and Says: "Half of the Palestinians Are Egyptians and the Other Half Are Saudis"

 

[Hossfly]

Any election under Abbas will be a sham. Of course Hamas and others are not going to fall into that trap.

You've never seen an excuse for denying the Palestinian Arabs free, fair democratic elections, have you? All your bullshit excuses could be overcome by calling for international monitors to oversee the election. Until the Hamas government is willing to submit to the will of the Palestinian people, it remains a dictatorship and an occupation government.

There is a constitutional procedure that must be followed. That would probably be acceptable.

Criminals, outlaws and terrorists generally don't follow any constitutional procedures. In this case the inmates are running the asylum. Big time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You've never seen an excuse for denying the Palestinian Arabs free, fair democratic elections, have you? All your bullshit excuses could be overcome by calling for international monitors to oversee the election. Until the Hamas government is willing to submit to the will of the Palestinian people, it remains a dictatorship and an occupation government.

There is a constitutional procedure that must be followed. That would probably be acceptable.

Criminals, outlaws and terrorists generally don't follow any constitutional procedures. In this case the inmates are running the asylum. Big time.

Really, Abbas violates the constitution every day.

 

[JStone]

There is a constitutional procedure that must be followed. That would probably be acceptable.

Criminals, outlaws and terrorists generally don't follow any constitutional procedures. In this case the inmates are running the asylum. Big time.

Really, Abbas violates the constitution every day.

The Constitution of Hamastan

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- The Hamas-run government has launched a series of campaigns targeting fortune-tellers, mannequins and cigarette vendors in the Gaza Strip.

Police sources told Ma'an that 142 fortune tellers were forced to sign an agreement at the Ministry of Interior pledging that they would not practice their craft.

As well as predicting the future, fortune tellers sell amulets for protection and are sometimes called on to solve personal or family problems.

Another campaign targets boutiques displaying lingerie on mannequins. Police officials told Ma'an that security forces inspected clothes shops across the Gaza Strip and warned owners not to display naked mannequins, lingerie or "indecent advertisements."

Police are also targeting vendors selling smuggled cigarettes and tobacco, confiscating their goods, police sources said.

Maan News Agency: Hamas cracks down on fortune-tellers, mannequins

 

[toomuchtime_]

What part of the agreement is Abbas out of compliance?

More bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas agreement almost immediately in order to prevent elections so that they could hold on to power. Abbas never had the chance to violate anything before HOFG acted to prevent elections.

See, you don't know or you would not have given that answer. You are only looking at the propaganda version of this issue.

I do know. I followed this story in the news as it was happening, and and within a few days of the agreement, Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas deal because they are opposed to free, fair, democratic elections. Everyone always knew that once Hamas got power they would never agree to give it up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

More bullshit. Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas agreement almost immediately in order to prevent elections so that they could hold on to power. Abbas never had the chance to violate anything before HOFG acted to prevent elections.

See, you don't know or you would not have given that answer. You are only looking at the propaganda version of this issue.

I do know. I followed this story in the news as it was happening, and and within a few days of the agreement, Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas deal because they are opposed to free, fair, democratic elections. Everyone always knew that once Hamas got power they would never agree to give it up.

And that tells me what news you follow. I asked that question specifically because the propaganda version would not mention that because it does not slime Hamas.

 

[toomuchtime_]

See, you don't know or you would not have given that answer. You are only looking at the propaganda version of this issue.

I do know. I followed this story in the news as it was happening, and and within a few days of the agreement, Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas deal because they are opposed to free, fair, democratic elections. Everyone always knew that once Hamas got power they would never agree to give it up.

And that tells me what news you follow. I asked that question specifically because the propaganda version would not mention that because it does not slime Hamas.

Why don't you cut the crap and if you have something to say, say it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I do know. I followed this story in the news as it was happening, and and within a few days of the agreement, Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas deal because they are opposed to free, fair, democratic elections. Everyone always knew that once Hamas got power they would never agree to give it up.

And that tells me what news you follow. I asked that question specifically because the propaganda version would not mention that because it does not slime Hamas.

Why don't you cut the crap and if you have something to say, say it?

Say what?

 

[JStone]

See, you don't know or you would not have given that answer. You are only looking at the propaganda version of this issue.

I do know. I followed this story in the news as it was happening, and and within a few days of the agreement, Hamas Occupation Forces in Gaza (HOFG) rejected the Meshal-Abbas deal because they are opposed to free, fair, democratic elections. Everyone always knew that once Hamas got power they would never agree to give it up.

And that tells me what news you follow. I asked that question specifically because the propaganda version would not mention that because it does not slime Hamas.

Propaganda, junior jihadist?

Hamas And The Islamization Of Gaza: Mkhaimer Abusada, Professor Of Political Science, Al-Azhar University in Gaza.

The Gaza Strip was known as a very traditional and conservative society long before Hamas seized control of it in June 2007. The densely populated Strip is primarily inhabited by Palestinian refugees who have long suffered from poverty and negligence. But since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, it has intensified its efforts and activities to Islamize the social life of local Palestinians. Islamization of the Gaza Strip refers to the efforts and process to impose Islamic laws and tradition by force.

The process of Islamization is being imposed by the Hamas government and its security apparatuses as well as volunteer dawa groups who go from door to door asking people to adhere to Islamic laws and hijab conservative dress. Beyond its imposition of Islamic social codes on daily life, Hamas controls the social, educational and religious systems that indoctrinate the residents with Islamic values that have a long-term effect on the nature of Gazan society.

The formal educational system in Gaza (with the exception of UNRWA schools) is completely controlled by Hamas. This was facilitated by the general teachers strike at the beginning of the 2008-2009 school year. Hamas was able to replace them with its own ideologue teachers. The educational system is undergoing a process of Islamization – in August 2009, the beginning of the school year, Hamas’ Education Ministry imposed the hijab on school girls and transferred male teachers to boys schools.

The Islamization process is also facilitated by the tendencies of local residents, both male and female, to adjust themselves and conform with Hamas’ Islamic values. One of the most visible signs is the increasing number of bearded men, and women wearing hijab and veil in the streets of Gaza. Some of them grow beards for religious reasons, but women simply do not want to be harassed by Hamas “morality police” and dawa groups. These dawa groups are a civilian network of Hamas volunteers who belong to Islamic charitable societies, and deal with cultural, educational and religious matters.

The Hamas government stepped up the social Islamization process of Gaza in 2010. According to a statement released by the Palestinian Independent Commission for Human Rights in mid-September, these efforts included the repression of civil society and severe violations of personal freedom. For example, Hamas banned the smoking of nargilas (water pipes) by women in public places. Smoking and partying in a public place was the reason Hamas police closed the Beach Hotel in Gaza for three days in mid-September, as well as many other tourist places.

Crazy Water Park, one of the Gaza Strip’s most popular entertainment sites, was closed down in mid-September by Hamas police for allowing mixed swimming. Two weeks later, the site was set on fire by a group of unknown gunmen. The Hamas government issued a strong condemnation and promised to pursue the perpetrators. Although it is not clear which Islamist group was behind it, Islamist militants allegedly supported by Hamas who objected to mixed-gender socializing, are to be blamed.

A troubling development this last summer was the expanded role of Hamas’ “morality police.” The Hamas black-uniformed police began to patrol the beaches of Gaza to ensure that men and women are dressed “appropriately” and that unrelated men and women are not mingling. The morality police are monitoring public places, streets and mixed universities for any suspicious and immoral behavior.

Hamas’ strategy is to Islamize the Gaza Strip step by step to avoid provoking neighboring Arab countries and the international community. Hamas has always denied accusations of turning Gaza into an Islamic emirate, but in a very recent interview with Reuters, top Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar asked: “Is it a crime to Islamize the people? I am a Muslim living here according to our tradition. Why should I live under [Western] tradition?” Zahar defended Hamas laws and efforts, but declined to say how far it would go with Islamization.
THE DAILY STAR :: Opinion :: Commentary :: Hamas and the Islamization of Gaza

 

[toomuchtime_]

And that tells me what news you follow. I asked that question specifically because the propaganda version would not mention that because it does not slime Hamas.

Why don't you cut the crap and if you have something to say, say it?

Say what?

You keep hinting that there is something I don't know about, why don't you say what you think it is?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why don't you cut the crap and if you have something to say, say it?

Say what?

You keep hinting that there is something I don't know about, why don't you say what you think it is?

Abbas is supposed to release all political prisoners and stop political arrests. He has done neither. Until he complies there will be no reconciliation or elections.

 

[JStone]

Say what?

You keep hinting that there is something I don't know about, why don't you say what you think it is?

Abbas is supposed to release all political prisoners and stop political arrests. He has done neither. Until he complies there will be no reconciliation or elections.

Hamastan is a democracy?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adeKtTlejNY]Christians under Siege in Gaza - UN Silent - YouTube[/ame]

 

[toomuchtime_]

Say what?

You keep hinting that there is something I don't know about, why don't you say what you think it is?

Abbas is supposed to release all political prisoners and stop political arrests. He has done neither. Until he complies there will be no reconciliation or elections.

That was not part of the deal Meshal made with Abbas. They agreed to form a caretaker government so that elections could be arranged, with Abbas as both president and pm. This would have been only until a new government was elected in spring. HOFG at first agreed but a few days later objected to Abbas being pm. This is all just another Hamas excuse for not allowing free, fair democratic elections.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You keep hinting that there is something I don't know about, why don't you say what you think it is?

Abbas is supposed to release all political prisoners and stop political arrests. He has done neither. Until he complies there will be no reconciliation or elections.

That was not part of the deal Meshal made with Abbas. They agreed to form a caretaker government so that elections could be arranged, with Abbas as both president and pm. This would have been only until a new government was elected in spring. HOFG at first agreed but a few days later objected to Abbas being pm. This is all just another Hamas excuse for not allowing free, fair democratic elections.

I thought it was. It has been a focal point since the Egyptian debates. Hamas announced that it no longer has political prisoners in Gaza. Abbas, however, has been silent on this issue, but there are protests in the West Bank demanding prisoner release.

Offhand I cannot find an actual text of the agreement although it is still a Hamas demand. I don't see how there can be a fair election when the Hamas leadership is in West Bank prisons.