Guns vs Voter ID laws and right wing hypocrisy .

[Stephanie]

Getting an I.D. is an undue burden

It is when they have to find the DMV (unless it's next door to the welfare office or the nearest liquor store)...

If u don't have a photo ID , how do u get a photo ID ?

This has been covered in so many thread, its beyond ridiculous that you ask this question....
Who doesn't have a photo ID?

Getting an I.D. is an undue burden

It is when they have to find the DMV (unless it's next door to the welfare office or the nearest liquor store)...

If u don't have a photo ID , how do u get a photo ID ?

This has been covered in so many thread, its beyond ridiculous that you ask this question....
Who doesn't have a photo ID?

It's not just a photo ID , it's a specific photo ID . Old people may have some 20 year old ID, that's not acceptable . Student Photo ID from state university . Not acceptable !

Why not ?

Gee, are you actually saying Democrats are too stupid to find the DMV???

Maybe we should Institute an IQ test for voting, to rule out the absolute vegetables, where they don't drool on the voting machines and short them out...

oh darn. my sides

 

[MarathonMike]

NaziCon now that's funny. If you will recall your history, assuming you know any, the Nazis were an extreme form of SOCIALISTS bent on imposing their government control on Germany and the world. If you are going to invoke that label, it fits better with you and your Liberal friends than it does Conservatives.

 

[Stephanie]

You have to register to vote.

And let's say someone cheats and illegally votes . The result is not 10 dead bodies .

Let's assume someone manages to commit voter 'fraud' by identity.

Such an event is so extremely rare that it will in no way effect the outcome of any election, and because voter 'fraud' is so extremely rare, it is devoid of justification to require a specific type of ID for a citizen to vote, where such a requirement again manifests as an undue burden to the right to vote.

The myth of voter 'fraud' has become an article of religious faith among most conservatives, who incorrectly believe that 'fraud' is why they're losing elections, when in fact republicans lose elections because a majority of the voters reject their candidates, and the failed agenda those candidates represent.

Last, republicans advocate for voter 'ID' laws in bad faith, not out of concern for the 'integrity' of the election process, but in an effort to disadvantage minority voters perceive to be likely democratic voters, where absent their votes, the republican candidate has a 'greater chance of winning.'

If a white person needs a voter-id to vote, and a black person needs a voter-id to vote, how is it the black is disadvantaged?

I have a whole folder of voter fraud stories; at least a couple dozen of them. Voter fraud is alive and well in this country. First you let them tell you it's somehow racial, and then they tell you it isn't happening when it is. I guarantee you that there are way more people that cheated the elections then there could ever be of people not being able to get an ID.

Post an example of voter fraud . Im calling u out !

Well Timmy, that's a lot of work, especially since Care4All did the same to me yesterday. So instead of posting all those sites again, I'm just going to give you the URL to our discussion yesterday and you can see all the voter fraud stories I posted. It's a little past half way down on the screen:

Why we don't want voter ID | Page 12 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

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oh man you're bad. cracked me up though

 

[Bob Blaylock]

So, what you're saying is there should be background checks to vote, and every vote you cast should be maintained in a government database.

I don't think you'll find anyone credibly claiming any such thing.

But certainly any sensible person would recognize the need to verify that every vote is cast by someone who is eligible to cast that vote, and that nobody is allowed to cast more than one ballot in the same election. The only reason to oppose that would be out of a willful desire to compromise the integrity of electoral process.

Everyone must register to vote . When they vote it is recorded .

Why not register your gun?

The fact that they voted is recorded, only to prevent them from voting again. The content of their vote is secret. This is necessary in order to protect the integrity of the electoral process.

There is no legitimate government purpose to be served by requiring firearms or their owners to be registered in any manner; there is no purpose at all to such a thing that isn't directly related to willfully violating that right.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So, what you're saying is there should be background checks to vote, and every vote you cast should be maintained in a government database.

I don't think you'll find anyone credibly claiming any such thing.

But certainly any sensible person would recognize the need to verify that every vote is cast by someone who is eligible to cast that vote, and that nobody is allowed to cast more than one ballot in the same election. The only reason to oppose that would be out of a willful desire to compromise the integrity of electoral process.

Everyone must register to vote . When they vote it is recorded .

Why not register your gun?

Surely, you are not going to say you don't know.....

If so, you represent yet another failure of the educational system.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If u don't have a photo ID , how do u get a photo ID ?

Illiterate fool…

Dumber than a pile of shit…

Writes like a retard.​

 

[Kerry Won Ohio2]

Actually, the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment...

Which Amendment guarantees the right to vote without an ID (and insure that voter fraud is made as easy as possible)???

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 guarantees it, white trash. Maybe you're old enough to remember how you white trash racist fucks tried to prevent black people from voting in the South?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Let's assume someone manages to commit voter 'fraud' by identity.

Such an event is so extremely rare that it will in no way effect the outcome of any election, and because voter 'fraud' is so extremely rare, it is devoid of justification to require a specific type of ID for a citizen to vote, where such a requirement again manifests as an undue burden to the right to vote.

The myth of voter 'fraud' has become an article of religious faith among most conservatives, who incorrectly believe that 'fraud' is why they're losing elections, when in fact republicans lose elections because a majority of the voters reject their candidates, and the failed agenda those candidates represent.

I know of at least one instance where the outcome of a Congressional election was almost certainly altered by election fraud.

In 1996, Loretta Sanchez ran for Congress against incumbent Bob Dornan. Ms. Sanchez's campaign openly encouraged invading foreign criminals to illegally vote for her. She narrowly defeated Mr. Dornan, by less than a thousand votes. A subsequent investigation established that there were at least 748 votes that were cast illegally, and suggested as many as 4700 illegal votes; but the investigation was cut short before it could fully investigate these. Because the investigation was stopped well short of being properly completed, we'll never know for certain, but the available evidence suggests a near-certainty that if not for illegal voter fraud, Mr. Dornan would have easily won this election.

Last, republicans advocate for voter 'ID' laws in bad faith, not out of concern for the 'integrity' of the election process, but in an effort to disadvantage minority voters perceive to be likely democratic voters, where absent their votes, the republican candidate has a 'greater chance of winning.'

I think it is very obvious which side is acting in bad faith, here. Democrats stand to benefit from voter fraud, and they are the side that opposes any efforts to prevent it.

Why are Democrats so afraid to allow the electoral process to be protected from such fraud? Are they afraid that they cannot win honestly?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio2]

Tell me if this sounds familiar ?

"Our constitutional rights shall not be infringed "
"These laws only stop the law abiding , not the criminals"
"These laws don't even work"


What am I talking about ? We'll those are typical responses when the issue of gun control comes into play .

But talk about state issued voter ID , and the conservatives do a 180.

"What's the big deal about getting one of these IDS?" (Fuck your constitutional rights)
"We have to stop voter fraud ". ( it doesn't exist )
"We need to protect the vote " ( this stops more legit voters than any illegal vote)


So much for protecting our freedoms .

I actually don't have a problem with a national ID card that can be used for voting. However, this ID card must be equally accessible to everyone -- poor, rich, white, black, etc.,.

This is NOT something Repugs want to do. They want poor people and college kids to travel 50 miles away to pick up their voter ID card or throw up similar roadblocks. This is not possible for thousands of poor people.

This is a clever voter suppression tactic advocated by Repugs because they know they can't win elections on a level playing field anymore, especially not the White House. They've even admitted this, like that Republican congressman from Pennsylvania a couple of years ago. Repugs hate democracy and they have to cheat to have any chance of holding power in the future because most minorities and poor people hate their fucking guts.

 

[Missourian]

If u don't have a photo ID , how do u get a photo ID ?

Illiterate fool…

Dumber than a pile of shit…

Writes like a retard.​

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 guarantees it, white trash. Maybe you're old enough to remember how you white trash racist fucks tried to prevent black people from voting in the South?

 

[Obiwan]

Actually, the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment...

Which Amendment guarantees the right to vote without an ID (and insure that voter fraud is made as easy as possible)???

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 guarantees it, white trash. Maybe you're old enough to remember how you white trash racist fucks tried to prevent black people from voting in the South?

In case you're too damn retarded to remember, Democrats did that...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Tell me if this sounds familiar ?

"Our constitutional rights shall not be infringed "
"These laws only stop the law abiding , not the criminals"
"These laws don't even work"


What am I talking about ? We'll those are typical responses when the issue of gun control comes into play .

But talk about state issued voter ID , and the conservatives do a 180.

"What's the big deal about getting one of these IDS?" (Fuck your constitutional rights)
"We have to stop voter fraud ". ( it doesn't exist )
"We need to protect the vote " ( this stops more legit voters than any illegal vote)


So much for protecting our freedoms .

I actually don't have a problem with a national ID card that can be used for voting. However, this ID card must be equally accessible to everyone -- poor, rich, white, black, etc.,.

This is NOT something Repugs want to do. They want poor people and college kids to travel 50 miles away to pick up their voter ID card or throw up similar roadblocks. This is not possible for thousands of poor people.

This is a clever voter suppression tactic advocated by Repugs because they know they can't win elections on a level playing field anymore, especially not the White House. They've even admitted this, like that Republican congressman from Pennsylvania a couple of years ago. Repugs hate democracy and they have to cheat to have any chance of holding power in the future because most minorities and poor people hate their fucking guts.

So where is this place that people have to travel 50 miles away to get a Voter-ID card?

If I ever wanted to try to sell a bridge to somebody, I'd make sure they were a Democrat, because you people will believe anything anybody tells you.

The real problem is it's Democrats who don't want a level playing field when it comes to elections. That's why they are fighting this and giving you BS reasons instead of the truth.

Many Democrat voters really don't care about voting at all. Yeah, if it's convenient, if it's easier than getting the mail out of your mailbox, if somebody gives them a ride to the polls or comes to their institution, yeah, they'll vote. But if they have to put the slightest effort towards it, no chance. They'll stay home, and this is what Democrat politicians are afraid of.

How are they going to get homeless people on park benches to get an ID? They can't. How are they going to get felons to get an ID? They won't be able to. How are they going to get illegals to vote? No chance.

 

[Stephanie]

Actually, the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment...

Which Amendment guarantees the right to vote without an ID (and insure that voter fraud is made as easy as possible)???

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 guarantees it, white trash. Maybe you're old enough to remember how you white trash racist fucks tried to prevent black people from voting in the South?

In case you're too damn retarded to remember, Democrats did that...

LOL, some people

 

[tinydancer]

Tell me if this sounds familiar ?

"Our constitutional rights shall not be infringed "
"These laws only stop the law abiding , not the criminals"
"These laws don't even work"


What am I talking about ? We'll those are typical responses when the issue of gun control comes into play .

But talk about state issued voter ID , and the conservatives do a 180.

"What's the big deal about getting one of these IDS?" (Fuck your constitutional rights)
"We have to stop voter fraud ". ( it doesn't exist )
"We need to protect the vote " ( this stops more legit voters than any illegal vote)


So much for protecting our freedoms .

What on earth does voter ID have to do with gun control timmy?

This leap is insane. It makes no sense whatsoever.

And why do American progressives believe the American voter is nothing short of a drooling knuckle dragging thumb sucking idiot?

Third world countries have constitutionally mandated voter ID. The Carter Center will not monitor an election without voter ID for crying out loud.

If South Africa can handle having voter ID laws what the hell is wrong with them?

 

[Obiwan]

Tell me if this sounds familiar ?

"Our constitutional rights shall not be infringed "
"These laws only stop the law abiding , not the criminals"
"These laws don't even work"


What am I talking about ? We'll those are typical responses when the issue of gun control comes into play .

But talk about state issued voter ID , and the conservatives do a 180.

"What's the big deal about getting one of these IDS?" (Fuck your constitutional rights)
"We have to stop voter fraud ". ( it doesn't exist )
"We need to protect the vote " ( this stops more legit voters than any illegal vote)


So much for protecting our freedoms .

What on earth does voter ID have to do with gun control timmy?

This leap is insane. It makes no sense whatsoever.

And why do American progressives believe the American voter is nothing short of a drooling knuckle dragging thumb sucking idiot?

Third world countries have constitutionally mandated voter ID. The Carter Center will not monitor an election without voter ID for crying out loud.

If South Africa can handle having voter ID laws what the hell is wrong with them?

But those third world countries don't have lazy Democrats with single-digit IQs...

 

[mikegriffith1]

Tell me if this sounds familiar ?

"Our constitutional rights shall not be infringed "
"These laws only stop the law abiding , not the criminals"
"These laws don't even work"


What am I talking about ? We'll those are typical responses when the issue of gun control comes into play .

But talk about state issued voter ID , and the conservatives do a 180.

"What's the big deal about getting one of these IDS?" (&#$@ your constitutional rights)
"We have to stop voter fraud ". ( it doesn't exist )
"We need to protect the vote " ( this stops more legit voters than any illegal vote)

So much for protecting our freedoms .

Silly logic and false assumptions. I could cite evidence that voter fraud most certainly *does* exist. I could note that state-issued voter IDs cost little or nothing. But, instead, let me just ask you one question:

If merely requiring someone to present a free or virtually free state-issued photo ID to vote "infringes" on the right to vote, then does requiring the showing of a photo ID to board a plane, buy alcohol, buy tobacco, use a credit card, open a bank account, etc., "infringe" on anyone's right to board a plane, buy alcohol, buy tobacco, use a credit card, or open a bank account?

If your liberal brain hasn't shut down after being confronting with logic and fact that debunk your silly talking point, let me ask a bonus question: Do the people who claim they are being "discouraged from voting" by being required to show a photo ID never fly on plane, never buy alcohol or tobacco, never use credit cards, and never open bank accounts?

 

[Redfish]

If you are too stupid to get an ID, then frankly, you are too stupid to vote.

This is nothing but a left wing bullshit theme designed to make stupid democrats even more stupid.

 

[Redfish]

Tell me if this sounds familiar ?

"Our constitutional rights shall not be infringed "
"These laws only stop the law abiding , not the criminals"
"These laws don't even work"


What am I talking about ? We'll those are typical responses when the issue of gun control comes into play .

But talk about state issued voter ID , and the conservatives do a 180.

"What's the big deal about getting one of these IDS?" (Fuck your constitutional rights)
"We have to stop voter fraud ". ( it doesn't exist )
"We need to protect the vote " ( this stops more legit voters than any illegal vote)


So much for protecting our freedoms .

Listen, idiot. you have to prove who you are to buy a gun or get a CC permit. You should have to prove who you are in order to vote.

Its not complicated.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

Actually, the right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment...

Which Amendment guarantees the right to vote without an ID (and insure that voter fraud is made as easy as possible)???

Democrats dont see a problem with intruders/burgerlers coming into a home and either raping/robbing or burning your home while the owner is their all tied up.

it seems that we have been living in a country where the party of selfish slime could care less about murders so long as its the voters of the opposition party that gets killed,,,therefore less votes for them in the next election. no wonder they are tryingt to turn Texas blue.