Gunfire reported at California veterans home

[westwall]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Terrorism is a completely different issue. You are deflecting from the real issue. YOU ARE THE TOTALLY FUCKED UP PERSON. You gunnuts are mentally ill.

Norway was one time. One time. In the US this happens practically every week. Paris was terrorism: a different issue.

The fact remains that guns are outlawed in the country's you claim are "safe". You are lying. They are not safe. The only reason why those country's don't have the level of violent crime that we do is because for the longest time they didn't have violent, third world immigrants bringing their violent culture with them. Now they do, and the violence is increasing at a incredible rate. Only liars, like you, ignore that very simple fact.

It's not true. I am living in Europe. I regularly travel around Europe. Crime is not anywhere near what it is in the US. There are no mass shootings every week. Terrorism is a different issue and is not a logical comparison to gun control in America. Pro-gun people try to justify the regular mass shootings in America by saying things are just as bad in other places. That's bullshit. Total bullshit. You brought up Norway. There was one mass shooting in Norway. One, and it was years ago. Since then there have been none. In the US they happen practically every week. There's no justification for it, none.

Bullshit. We just got back from Paris, the fact that you seem to live in a fantasy land doesn't negate the facts.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

 

[Esmeralda]

Firing upon voters isn’t a problem? Get real.
Spain: Police Used Excessive Force in Catalonia

Yeah, Spain is great, attacking its own citizens-
Catalonia Shows the Danger of Disarming Civilians | Laura Williams
Just hours before an alleged lone gunman opened fire from the Mandalay Bay casino, the citizens of a small region surrounding Barcelona, Spain, cast a vote for their regional independence. Catalonia’s citizens have a unique language, culture, and history, and consider Spain a neighboring power, not their rightful rulers. So as America’s Continental Congress heroically did (and as Texans and Californians occasionally threaten to do) Catalonia wished to declare independence and secede.

Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

Polling stations in Catalonia were attacked by heavily armed agents of the state with riot gear and pointed rifles. Spanish National Police fired rubber bullets and unleashed tear gas canisters on voters, broke down polling center doors, disrupted the vote, and destroyed enough ballots to throw results into serious doubt.


Exceedingly few of those would-be patriots were armed.

In Spain, firearm ownership is not a protected individual right. Civilian firearms licenses are restricted to “cases of extreme necessity” if the government finds “genuine reason.” Background checks, medical exams, and license restrictions further restrict access. Licenses are granted individually by caliber and model, with automatic weapons strictly forbidden to civilians. Police can demand a citizen produce a firearm at any time for inspection or confiscation. Spain has enacted, it would seem, the kind of “common sense restrictions” American gun-control advocates crave.

But of course, that doesn’t mean that Spanish citizens don’t buy guns. In fact, Spanish taxpayers maintain an enormous arsenal of weapons, which are all in the hands “professional armed police forces within the administration of the state, who are the persons in charge of providing security to the population.”

Those agents of the state weren’t “providing security to the population” of Catalonia on Sunday — they were pointing guns at would-be founding patriots who had challenged the rule of their oppressors.

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

Gun control stops this kind of massacre. I am currently in Spain. They have very strict gun control and automatic and semi-automatic weapons are banned for private citizens. There are NO mass shootings and crime is very low. It's a lie that banning guns means only criminals will have them. A lie. This guy wasn't a criminal. He was just an average guy like any of you who can get a gun. Who never commited a crime before. You people are nuts, insane. Stop this madness.

Catalonia separatism is favored by less than half the population there. They are citizens of Spain. Demanding to separate from the country and to have weapons to fight the country is treason. Spain is not oppressing them. It's an issue you don't understand.

Trying to break up a potential riot situation with rubber bullets and tear gas is not shooting people. In the US, some gunnut kills masses of people practically every week. If they were using rubber bullets and tear gas,no one would die. Why do you defend mass murder?

 

[Asclepias]

Help me understand this. Napa county, one of the richest areas in America, has so many hostage situations they need a dedicated truck for it?

Looks like they bought that one at a military equipment auction.

Why are you making jokes? People are being killed. Americans have lost their humanity. So many massacres on a weekly basis for so many years and Americans have come not only to think nothing of it but to make jokes about it.

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

That's what it looked like. Please remember that mass shootings are not just a thing to discuss or look at ironically or satirically. Real people are dying, regularly, in the US. The entire modern world is perplexed that the country allows this to go on and on. It happens so often Americans seem to think it is normal. It isn't. And the gun lobby and gunnuts justifying it by screaming individual freedom and personal rights is disgusting: a perversion of what freedom and constitutional rights mean.

Its a normal thing in the US. The type of white philosophy in the US is directly to blame. When you deify gun slingers and cops instead of your teachers and health professionals this is what you get.

 

[Esmeralda]

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Terrorism is a completely different issue. You are deflecting from the real issue. YOU ARE THE TOTALLY FUCKED UP PERSON. You gunnuts are mentally ill.

Norway was one time. One time. In the US this happens practically every week. Paris was terrorism: a different issue.

The fact remains that guns are outlawed in the country's you claim are "safe". You are lying. They are not safe. The only reason why those country's don't have the level of violent crime that we do is because for the longest time they didn't have violent, third world immigrants bringing their violent culture with them. Now they do, and the violence is increasing at a incredible rate. Only liars, like you, ignore that very simple fact.

It's not true. I am living in Europe. I regularly travel around Europe. Crime is not anywhere near what it is in the US. There are no mass shootings every week. Terrorism is a different issue and is not a logical comparison to gun control in America. Pro-gun people try to justify the regular mass shootings in America by saying things are just as bad in other places. That's bullshit. Total bullshit. You brought up Norway. There was one mass shooting in Norway. One, and it was years ago. Since then there have been none. In the US they happen practically every week. There's no justification for it, none.

Bullshit. We just got back from Paris, the fact that you seem to live in a fantasy land doesn't negate the facts.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

IGNORE You are a nasty piece of work, a bully and a liar. I would put your on ignore if i could. People like you should not be mods.

 

[Esmeralda]

Help me understand this. Napa county, one of the richest areas in America, has so many hostage situations they need a dedicated truck for it?

Looks like they bought that one at a military equipment auction.

Why are you making jokes? People are being killed. Americans have lost their humanity. So many massacres on a weekly basis for so many years and Americans have come not only to think nothing of it but to make jokes about it.

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

That's what it looked like. Please remember that mass shootings are not just a thing to discuss or look at ironically or satirically. Real people are dying, regularly, in the US. The entire modern world is perplexed that the country allows this to go on and on. It happens so often Americans seem to think it is normal. It isn't. And the gun lobby and gunnuts justifying it by screaming individual freedom and personal rights is disgusting: a perversion of what freedom and constitutional rights mean.

Its a normal thing in the US. The type of white philosophy in the US is directly to blame. When deify gun slingers and cops instead of your teachers and health professionals this is what you get.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

 

[Asclepias]

Looks like they bought that one at a military equipment auction.

Why are you making jokes? People are being killed. Americans have lost their humanity. So many massacres on a weekly basis for so many years and Americans have come not only to think nothing of it but to make jokes about it.

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

That's what it looked like. Please remember that mass shootings are not just a thing to discuss or look at ironically or satirically. Real people are dying, regularly, in the US. The entire modern world is perplexed that the country allows this to go on and on. It happens so often Americans seem to think it is normal. It isn't. And the gun lobby and gunnuts justifying it by screaming individual freedom and personal rights is disgusting: a perversion of what freedom and constitutional rights mean.

Its a normal thing in the US. The type of white philosophy in the US is directly to blame. When deify gun slingers and cops instead of your teachers and health professionals this is what you get.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Culture. The US has a culture of violence.

 

[westwall]

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Terrorism is a completely different issue. You are deflecting from the real issue. YOU ARE THE TOTALLY FUCKED UP PERSON. You gunnuts are mentally ill.

Norway was one time. One time. In the US this happens practically every week. Paris was terrorism: a different issue.

The fact remains that guns are outlawed in the country's you claim are "safe". You are lying. They are not safe. The only reason why those country's don't have the level of violent crime that we do is because for the longest time they didn't have violent, third world immigrants bringing their violent culture with them. Now they do, and the violence is increasing at a incredible rate. Only liars, like you, ignore that very simple fact.

It's not true. I am living in Europe. I regularly travel around Europe. Crime is not anywhere near what it is in the US. There are no mass shootings every week. Terrorism is a different issue and is not a logical comparison to gun control in America. Pro-gun people try to justify the regular mass shootings in America by saying things are just as bad in other places. That's bullshit. Total bullshit. You brought up Norway. There was one mass shooting in Norway. One, and it was years ago. Since then there have been none. In the US they happen practically every week. There's no justification for it, none.

Bullshit. We just got back from Paris, the fact that you seem to live in a fantasy land doesn't negate the facts.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

IGNORE You are a nasty piece of work, a bully and a liar. I would put your on ignore if i could. People like you should not be mods.

Yeah, putting your fingers in your ears and screaming "la la la la" because your arguments are pathetic merely shows how ridiculous you truly are. Anecdotal "evidence" isn't evidence. For someone who claims to be an educator your exceptionally thin skin, and infantile behavior and argumentation style make me question that claim.

Bully? Not for a second, but your constant accusations of bullying, merely because you have lost whatever argument you may be in, that would be construed as bullying. False accusations are part and parcel of the progressive style of shutting down discussion.

In other words, if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen.

 

[westwall]

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

 

[Asclepias]

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

 

[westwall]

S

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

Then riddle me this batman, why is it that the black and Hispanic communities are orders of magnitude more violent than the white communities?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

 

[Asclepias]

S

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

Then riddle me this batman, why is it that the black and Hispanic communities are orders of magnitude more violent than the white communities?

Its not a riddle if you are intelligent. Its common knowledge that oppression and honor based cultures dont mix well. Whats the excuse for whites and their gun culture of violence?

 

[westwall]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

Not a single thing that your side has proposed would have prevented a single one of those shootings, and your people admit that. But, they always say "it's a good first step". We know that their goal is an absolute ban on private ownership of guns. All totalitarians demand that. Your arguments are specious, and infantile. We know that, and so did the Founders who were far smarter than you and yours.

 

[Asclepias]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

Not a single thing that your side has proposed would have prevented a single one of those shootings, and your people admit that. But, they always say "it's a good first step". We know that their goal is an absolute ban on private ownership of guns. All totalitarians demand that. Your arguments are specious, and infantile. We know that, and so did the Founders who were far smarter than you and yours.

The founders wrote that in because they were paranoid. Look what they have done.

 

[westwall]

S

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

Then riddle me this batman, why is it that the black and Hispanic communities are orders of magnitude more violent than the white communities?

Its not a riddle if you are intelligent. Its common knowledge that oppression and honor based cultures dont mix well. Whats the excuse for whites and their gun culture of violence?

Who's oppressing who? And if that were in fact true, why would the blacks be killing the blacks, and the Hispanics killing the Hispanics? Your argument is simply idiotic. Anyone with a brain knows that if you are being oppressed, you fight the oppressor, not among yourselves. Only idiots do that.

Are you claiming that blacks and Hispanics are idiots?

 

[westwall]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

Not a single thing that your side has proposed would have prevented a single one of those shootings, and your people admit that. But, they always say "it's a good first step". We know that their goal is an absolute ban on private ownership of guns. All totalitarians demand that. Your arguments are specious, and infantile. We know that, and so did the Founders who were far smarter than you and yours.

The founders wrote that in because they were paranoid. Look what they have done.

es, they set up a country that has gone further, faster, and for the benefit of more people, than any other country before it. Progressives are trying to destroy it so that they can institute yet another pogrom, and stamp out freedom yet again.

 

[Esmeralda]

Why are you making jokes? People are being killed. Americans have lost their humanity. So many massacres on a weekly basis for so many years and Americans have come not only to think nothing of it but to make jokes about it.

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

That's what it looked like. Please remember that mass shootings are not just a thing to discuss or look at ironically or satirically. Real people are dying, regularly, in the US. The entire modern world is perplexed that the country allows this to go on and on. It happens so often Americans seem to think it is normal. It isn't. And the gun lobby and gunnuts justifying it by screaming individual freedom and personal rights is disgusting: a perversion of what freedom and constitutional rights mean.

Its a normal thing in the US. The type of white philosophy in the US is directly to blame. When deify gun slingers and cops instead of your teachers and health professionals this is what you get.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Culture. The US has a culture of violence.

It's the gun culture and it is not inevitable.

 

[Asclepias]

S

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

Then riddle me this batman, why is it that the black and Hispanic communities are orders of magnitude more violent than the white communities?

Its not a riddle if you are intelligent. Its common knowledge that oppression and honor based cultures dont mix well. Whats the excuse for whites and their gun culture of violence?

Who's oppressing who? And if that were in fact true, why would the blacks be killing the blacks, and the Hispanics killing the Hispanics? Your argument is simply idiotic. Anyone with a brain knows that if you are being oppressed, you fight the oppressor, not among yourselves. Only idiots do that.

Are you claiming that blacks and Hispanics are idiots?

I thought you were more intelligent than that? The system whites have created is oppressing non whites. When your enemy is faceless you start striking out at those you can see. You have to be an idiot not to know that.

 

[Asclepias]

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

That's what it looked like. Please remember that mass shootings are not just a thing to discuss or look at ironically or satirically. Real people are dying, regularly, in the US. The entire modern world is perplexed that the country allows this to go on and on. It happens so often Americans seem to think it is normal. It isn't. And the gun lobby and gunnuts justifying it by screaming individual freedom and personal rights is disgusting: a perversion of what freedom and constitutional rights mean.

Its a normal thing in the US. The type of white philosophy in the US is directly to blame. When deify gun slingers and cops instead of your teachers and health professionals this is what you get.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Culture. The US has a culture of violence.

It's the gun culture and it is not inevitable.

Its going to take a change of culture. Telling people they have to give up their guns is probably the worst way to make it happen.

 

[westwall]

S

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

Then riddle me this batman, why is it that the black and Hispanic communities are orders of magnitude more violent than the white communities?

Its not a riddle if you are intelligent. Its common knowledge that oppression and honor based cultures dont mix well. Whats the excuse for whites and their gun culture of violence?

Who's oppressing who? And if that were in fact true, why would the blacks be killing the blacks, and the Hispanics killing the Hispanics? Your argument is simply idiotic. Anyone with a brain knows that if you are being oppressed, you fight the oppressor, not among yourselves. Only idiots do that.

Are you claiming that blacks and Hispanics are idiots?

I thought you were more intelligent than that? The system whites have created is oppressing non whites. When your enemy is faceless you start striking out at those you can see. You have to be an idiot not to know that.

Wow, a faceless enemy. So you randomly strike out and murder your own people in frustration? Get real.