Gunfire reported at California veterans home

[Asclepias]

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

Not a single thing that your side has proposed would have prevented a single one of those shootings, and your people admit that. But, they always say "it's a good first step". We know that their goal is an absolute ban on private ownership of guns. All totalitarians demand that. Your arguments are specious, and infantile. We know that, and so did the Founders who were far smarter than you and yours.

The founders wrote that in because they were paranoid. Look what they have done.

es, they set up a country that has gone further, faster, and for the benefit of more people, than any other country before it. Progressives are trying to destroy it so that they can institute yet another pogrom, and stamp out freedom yet again.

They set up a country that has committed more atrocities and killed more people than any nation on the planet. Progressives are trying to blend in with the rest of world instead of the arms race white culture tends to breed.

 

[westwall]

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

Not a single thing that your side has proposed would have prevented a single one of those shootings, and your people admit that. But, they always say "it's a good first step". We know that their goal is an absolute ban on private ownership of guns. All totalitarians demand that. Your arguments are specious, and infantile. We know that, and so did the Founders who were far smarter than you and yours.

The founders wrote that in because they were paranoid. Look what they have done.

es, they set up a country that has gone further, faster, and for the benefit of more people, than any other country before it. Progressives are trying to destroy it so that they can institute yet another pogrom, and stamp out freedom yet again.

They set up a country that has committed more atrocities and killed more people than any nation on the planet. Progressives are trying to blend in with the rest of world instead of the arms race white culture tends to breed.

Proving that you have no clue what you are talking about. Stalin murdered 80 million, Mao murdered 150 million. Progressives are the leading cause of human death the world over.

 

[Esmeralda]

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Then riddle me this batman, why is it that the black and Hispanic communities are orders of magnitude more violent than the white communities?

Its not a riddle if you are intelligent. Its common knowledge that oppression and honor based cultures dont mix well. Whats the excuse for whites and their gun culture of violence?

Who's oppressing who? And if that were in fact true, why would the blacks be killing the blacks, and the Hispanics killing the Hispanics? Your argument is simply idiotic. Anyone with a brain knows that if you are being oppressed, you fight the oppressor, not among yourselves. Only idiots do that.

Are you claiming that blacks and Hispanics are idiots?

I thought you were more intelligent than that? The system whites have created is oppressing non whites. When your enemy is faceless you start striking out at those you can see. You have to be an idiot not to know that.

Wow, a faceless enemy. So you randomly strike out and murder your own people in frustration? Get real.

You disappoint me. I thought you were learned? I knew you were a conservative but I thought you were one of the rare smart ones.

Not only is he not one of the smart ones, he is a loud mouthed, agressive bully who lies his head off and bans anyone he doesn't like. Many people have left this board because of him. Many good people, strong posters have left this board because of his abuse. Many others who are here complain about it.

 

[Esmeralda]

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

Not a single thing that your side has proposed would have prevented a single one of those shootings, and your people admit that. But, they always say "it's a good first step". We know that their goal is an absolute ban on private ownership of guns. All totalitarians demand that. Your arguments are specious, and infantile. We know that, and so did the Founders who were far smarter than you and yours.

The founders wrote that in because they were paranoid. Look what they have done.

es, they set up a country that has gone further, faster, and for the benefit of more people, than any other country before it. Progressives are trying to destroy it so that they can institute yet another pogrom, and stamp out freedom yet again.

They set up a country that has committed more atrocities and killed more people than any nation on the planet. Progressives are trying to blend in with the rest of world instead of the arms race white culture tends to breed.

Proving that you have no clue what you are talking about. Stalin murdered 80 million, Mao murdered 150 million. Progressives are the leading cause of human death the world over.

Contentions like this are as stupid as they get. You can't be any more stupid than to make a remark like this. A complete, self serving perversion of history.

 

[Asclepias]

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

Not a single thing that your side has proposed would have prevented a single one of those shootings, and your people admit that. But, they always say "it's a good first step". We know that their goal is an absolute ban on private ownership of guns. All totalitarians demand that. Your arguments are specious, and infantile. We know that, and so did the Founders who were far smarter than you and yours.

The founders wrote that in because they were paranoid. Look what they have done.

es, they set up a country that has gone further, faster, and for the benefit of more people, than any other country before it. Progressives are trying to destroy it so that they can institute yet another pogrom, and stamp out freedom yet again.

They set up a country that has committed more atrocities and killed more people than any nation on the planet. Progressives are trying to blend in with the rest of world instead of the arms race white culture tends to breed.

Proving that you have no clue what you are talking about. Stalin murdered 80 million, Mao murdered 150 million. Progressives are the leading cause of human death the world over.

Not sure how your claim about Stalin proves anything. Pretty sure the US is responsible for more than 230 million deaths due to is violent polices.

 

[cnm]

Britain, and Australia banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rates are going up.

And their firearm crime rate and firearm homicide rate are a fraction of that of the US'.

 

[cnm]

Gun control does not stop criminals or mass shooters even in Europe

It lowers the firearm homicide rate and the mass shooting rate.

 

[Esmeralda]

Terrorism is a completely different issue. You are deflecting from the real issue. YOU ARE THE TOTALLY FUCKED UP PERSON. You gunnuts are mentally ill.

Norway was one time. One time. In the US this happens practically every week. Paris was terrorism: a different issue.

The fact remains that guns are outlawed in the country's you claim are "safe". You are lying. They are not safe. The only reason why those country's don't have the level of violent crime that we do is because for the longest time they didn't have violent, third world immigrants bringing their violent culture with them. Now they do, and the violence is increasing at a incredible rate. Only liars, like you, ignore that very simple fact.

It's not true. I am living in Europe. I regularly travel around Europe. Crime is not anywhere near what it is in the US. There are no mass shootings every week. Terrorism is a different issue and is not a logical comparison to gun control in America. Pro-gun people try to justify the regular mass shootings in America by saying things are just as bad in other places. That's bullshit. Total bullshit. You brought up Norway. There was one mass shooting in Norway. One, and it was years ago. Since then there have been none. In the US they happen practically every week. There's no justification for it, none.

Bullshit. We just got back from Paris, the fact that you seem to live in a fantasy land doesn't negate the facts.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe
The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

IGNORE You are a nasty piece of work, a bully and a liar. I would put your on ignore if i could. People like you should not be mods.

Yeah, putting your fingers in your ears and screaming "la la la la" because your arguments are pathetic merely shows how ridiculous you truly are. Anecdotal "evidence" isn't evidence. For someone who claims to be an educator your exceptionally thin skin, and infantile behavior and argumentation style make me question that claim.

Bully? Not for a second, but your constant accusations of bullying, merely because you have lost whatever argument you may be in, that would be construed as bullying. False accusations are part and parcel of the progressive style of shutting down discussion.

In other words, if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen.

I know you are a bully because I know numerous people you have bullied to the extent they left this board: good, strong, well liked posters. People you repeatedly banned because they stood up to your bullying and people who just didn't want to take it anymore. It has nothing to do with me winning or losing an argument that I call you a bully; it is what you have done to others and your method of posting: aggressive, violent and bullying. You are unable to behave decently. Unfortunately, unlike other posters who post that way, people can't put you on ignore.

 

[cnm]

He's incompetent while he does it, too.

 

[Windparadox]

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A decorated Army veteran with a high-powered rifle returned to the Veterans Home of California in Yountville, where he had recently been kicked out of a program for treatment of combat stress, and killed three mental health workers Friday, officials said.

He and the victims were found dead about 8 hours after he exchanged gunfire with a Napa County sheriff’s deputy, officials said.

The attack, just after 10 a.m., touched off a daylong lockdown at the nation’s largest veterans home, which occupies a sprawling 600-acre state campus. The victims died in a building where they worked with The Pathway Home, a private organization that helps traumatized veterans transition to civilian life.- Source

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Another GUN massacre for the gun nuts to celebrate. What the NRA's response to this going to be? Arm the residents, CNA'a, nurses, doctors and staff?

 

[2aguy]

Help me understand this. Napa county, one of the richest areas in America, has so many hostage situations they need a dedicated truck for it?

Looks like they bought that one at a military equipment auction.

Why are you making jokes? People are being killed. Americans have lost their humanity. So many massacres on a weekly basis for so many years and Americans have come not only to think nothing of it but to make jokes about it.

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

That's what it looked like. Please remember that mass shootings are not just a thing to discuss or look at ironically or satirically. Real people are dying, regularly, in the US. The entire modern world is perplexed that the country allows this to go on and on. It happens so often Americans seem to think it is normal. It isn't. And the gun lobby and gunnuts justifying it by screaming individual freedom and personal rights is disgusting: a perversion of what freedom and constitutional rights mean.

The world you say is looking at us....not too long ago they allowed their own citizens to be sent to German socialist gas chambers, were starved to death in Russia, murdered by Mao .....and on and on.....

And again....as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate has gone down 49%....our gun crime rate has gone down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%....

And those countries in Europe are seeing an increase in violent crime, all over Europe....their social welfare systems have created the problem we are just moving out of....they now have single teenage mothers raising young males that their culture is no longer capable of civilizing, and they are importing violent young males from the 3rd world......

Guns are not the problem........culture is the problem.....not locking up violent criminals is the problem.

You are fixated on guns and you are missing the actual problems....

Also, Americans use their legally owned guns to stop violent criminals and often, mass public shooters, 1,500,000 times a year.

Those are rapes, robberies and murders stopped, because our people have guns to stop them.

Britain....violence is going through the roof...gun crime is up all over the country, and London is now more violent than New York.....

You don't know what you are talking about...

 

[2aguy]

Help me understand this. Napa county, one of the richest areas in America, has so many hostage situations they need a dedicated truck for it?

Looks like they bought that one at a military equipment auction.

Why are you making jokes? People are being killed. Americans have lost their humanity. So many massacres on a weekly basis for so many years and Americans have come not only to think nothing of it but to make jokes about it.

I wasnt making a joke. What made you think I was joking?

That's what it looked like. Please remember that mass shootings are not just a thing to discuss or look at ironically or satirically. Real people are dying, regularly, in the US. The entire modern world is perplexed that the country allows this to go on and on. It happens so often Americans seem to think it is normal. It isn't. And the gun lobby and gunnuts justifying it by screaming individual freedom and personal rights is disgusting: a perversion of what freedom and constitutional rights mean.

Its a normal thing in the US. The type of white philosophy in the US is directly to blame. When you deify gun slingers and cops instead of your teachers and health professionals this is what you get.

Of course.....what you refuse to acknowledge is that more Whites own guns but they commit less crime, fewer blacks own guns but they use them more to murder each other......that is the truth.

And more truth....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Moonglow]

Largest home for Vets is shut down as masses of LE converge on the complex, the largest home for our Vets.

Yountville, California, veterans home has reports of gunfire - CNN

They should put Gawd back in the retirement homes...

 

[Moonglow]

Not a single thing that your side has proposed would have prevented a single one of those shootings, and your people admit that. But, they always say "it's a good first step". We know that their goal is an absolute ban on private ownership of guns. All totalitarians demand that. Your arguments are specious, and infantile. We know that, and so did the Founders who were far smarter than you and yours.

The founders wrote that in because they were paranoid. Look what they have done.

es, they set up a country that has gone further, faster, and for the benefit of more people, than any other country before it. Progressives are trying to destroy it so that they can institute yet another pogrom, and stamp out freedom yet again.

They set up a country that has committed more atrocities and killed more people than any nation on the planet. Progressives are trying to blend in with the rest of world instead of the arms race white culture tends to breed.

Proving that you have no clue what you are talking about. Stalin murdered 80 million, Mao murdered 150 million. Progressives are the leading cause of human death the world over.

Contentions like this are as stupid as they get. You can't be any more stupid than to make a remark like this. A complete, self serving perversion of history.

Anyone who can think knows that God has the highest body count...

 

[Moonglow]

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A decorated Army veteran with a high-powered rifle returned to the Veterans Home of California in Yountville, where he had recently been kicked out of a program for treatment of combat stress, and killed three mental health workers Friday, officials said.

He and the victims were found dead about 8 hours after he exchanged gunfire with a Napa County sheriff’s deputy, officials said.

The attack, just after 10 a.m., touched off a daylong lockdown at the nation’s largest veterans home, which occupies a sprawling 600-acre state campus. The victims died in a building where they worked with The Pathway Home, a private organization that helps traumatized veterans transition to civilian life.- Source

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Another GUN massacre for the gun nuts to celebrate. What the NRA's response to this going to be? Arm the residents, CNA'a, nurses, doctors and staff?

It was those violent video games...

 

[2aguy]

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

Of the 10,000 gun murders a year, mass shooters account for about 30 each year....of the other 10,000, the majority are committed by minority criminals.....in democrat controlled cities,in minority neighborhoods...... genius.....so your high horse is something of a nag.....

Tell us about white violence...you could start with the Zulu, the Mongol hordes, the worst mass murderer in history....mao.......so please, tell us about white violence...like the white violence that ended slavery.....while it is still practiced in Africa...

 

[2aguy]

Gun control does not stop criminals. Gun control of not allowing security officers there be armed gave this guy free reign.

News conference: they found all hostages dead and the gunman dead.



Sad, but not unexpected.

OMG So awful. Why can people see we need to have strict gun control? My God!

That's stupid. That's just a stupid argument. In other modern Western countries with strict gun control, other developed countries, there are no mass shootings. And statistics show that gun control does not mean that only criminals have guns. Obviously this guy was not a criminal. He was one of you: a regular guy, a regular gunnut.

Uuuuuuh sure. The 130 who died in Paris were merely stoned to death. The 70 or so killed in Norway were drowned. You're about as fucked up as a person can be.

Uuuuuu sure: Thanks to Oreo for posting the below quoted remarks (post 621: Can the Students be Silenced)

Clearly Westwall hope to silence so.

"Republicans have owned the house since 2010. The Aurora theater shooting happened, they did nothing. Virginia Tech happened, they did nothing, Sandy Hook happened, they did nothing, San Bernardino, California happened they did nothing, Orlando, Florida happened they did nothing, Las Vegas, Nevada happened, they did nothing, Sutherland Springs, Texas happened they did nothing, and Parkland, Florida happened and they won't do nothing. A total of 9 mass shootings since Republicans have held the house and they have refused to do anything. They haven't even talked about bump stocks being sold across this country."

Who was Preisdent in 2008?

There was nothing to do...in just about every case there were laws in place to deal with the killers...and mental health professionals messed up or government agents failed to put paperwork into the system.....

And you guys proposed nothing that would stop any of those shootings...but you did use them to try to violate the Rights of people who didn't shoot anyone.....

You do realize that the Sandy Hook police knew about that shooter, right, that the mental health professionals knew about the others and the Feds and local law enforcement screwed up on San Bernadine, Orlando and Sutherland...law enforcement fucked up on those...Right?

Nothing you posted about those shootings has anything to do with republicans in office...your god, government, was the failure there...not republican politicians...

 

[2aguy]

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Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

Then riddle me this batman, why is it that the black and Hispanic communitarorders of magnitude more violent than the white communities?

Its not a riddle if you are intelligent. Its common knowledge that oppression and honor based cultures dont mix well. Whats the excuse for whites and their gun culture of violence?

Ask mao, the Japanese empire, the mongol empire, the various warlords in Africa, right now and the slavers active in Africa right now, your complete lack of historical awareness is really sad...

 

[cnm]

like the white violence that ended slavery.

Please, my ribs, have mercy.

 

[2aguy]

Thanks to the third world immigrants that have flooded in and brought their culture of violence with them.

Nope. The US was conceived in violence and has been that way since inception. Thats why most mass shooters are white.

The Violence was already here before the Europeans arrived.....and besides violence you had human sacrifice and cannibalism.......the Aztec, the Inca, and the indians who were on our continent were violent as well....so get off that high horse before you hurt yourself....and it was whites who ended slavery, while Africans are still practicing it..........you are so ignorant of history it is sad..