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    And another one who is ignorant of Kinetic Energy. Ok. Newton’s Third Law, any action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the bullet that is fired by the .45 ACP is so powerful that it would knock someone down, then firing the bullet would in turn knock the shooter down. It would look like this.



    But since every time someone shoots a .45 ACP they don’t look like Will Smith in Men in Black firing the “Noisy Cricket” we know that isn’t the case don’t we?”



    Now, if you want real world information, instead of the mythical nonsense fed to you over the years, try this video on for reality.



    That study was done with information from over a thousand real world shooting events. Not the nonsense from one or two people who talk about knock down power mythology.

    The .45 ACP has essentially the same one shot stop statistics as a 9MM. And there are more than a few events where someone dumped a magazine plus of .45 into a baddie and they kept on coming.

    There are four ways that a bullet kills someone. 1) Vital Organ. Head or heart basically. Generally speaking if you hit either the brain, or the heart, the baddie is going to die. 2) Exsanguination. This means that you bleed to death. The faster that the red stuff flows from a body, the faster this means of death occurs. 3) Suffocation. The chest or lungs fill up with blood, and the individual literally drowns in his own bodily fluids. Again, faster is better generally speaking.

    Number four. This is all others. Lead poisoning, Shock. Embolism from a blood clot, a chunk of bone, or fat, in the blood stream. This is realistically speaking, impossible to plan for. But people do die from it so we have to include it.

    In none of those, is the .45 superior to the .357, or the 5.56. The 5.56MM causes an effect known as Hydrostatic Damage. In other words, the bullet strikes the human body, and the liquids that make up a vast majority of us, say about 70%, is compressed by the fast moving bullet. This can’t actually happen, liquids do not compress, so the shock wave spreads outwards, and tears up additional flesh. That torn flesh bleeds more than the hole would, thus causing faster loss of blood, and speedier arrival of the number two method of death. If you want to know what this looks like, toss a rock into a pool of water. You have an example of Hydrostatic force, the waves radiating outwards.

    Also, the through and though wound would allow blood to flow out of two holes. Presuming that the individual did not die faster from a vital organ being destroyed.

    Now, we have ended the nonsense about “knockdown power” and shown that stopping power of the .45 in real world, instead of mythic Hollywood and other fictional sources, is essentially equal to other handgun rounds. We have explained how bullets kill. From experience, this is where the .45 lover will insist I have no idea what I am talking about, and none of those links are telling the truth.
     
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    The ignorance is all on you troll. Real world is different than the BS you live in.
     
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    He is quoting a study of thousands of real world shootings. What information would you offer that would be more accurate?
     
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    Really? So the cop who conducted a study consisting of more than 1,700 shootings, real world shootings, is full of shit? Wow. That’s awesome. And the medical reality of shootings concerning causes of death is also bullshit? Great to know. So what magical force causes death, and where is the study that you can quote that shows my information is wrong? Let me guess, your gun shoots bullets empowered by the Harry Potter death curse right?

    LOL. Come on Mike, tell me the truth. I’d like to see some proof of it. Of course, you backing up anything, including the time of day, would be a first.
     
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    You have to understand Mike. He detests me. So if I said Night was Dark and Day was light, Mike would rush out and scream that I’m a troll and I’m lying.
     
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    I guess you didnt see the part of the doped up individual that was shot many times, but it took the big heavy slow bullet to finally bring him down...This was from Vietnam vets, I wont argue with...
     
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    That would be because you are so damn stupid.

    Loaded mag in the pistol means it loaded, chambered or not. Ask your local law enforcement.
     
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    Can't fire with no bullet in the chamber. unloaded.
     
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    If I put the safety on, my 1911 can't fire, even with one in the chamber. Is it unloaded?

    Loaded or unloaded is not about whether the gun is ready to fire. It is about whether it is loaded with ammunition.
     
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    Oh, I saw it.



    I saw it. I guess you didn’t watch the link I posted where even the mighty .45 failed to stop the baddie about 1/3 of the time. Myths die hard. So keep on with the myths while the rest of us deal with facts and reality.
     

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