Gun question

[SavannahMann]

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You don’t know much about kinetic energy do you?

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The revolver round, .357 has nearly twice the kinetic energy of a 9MM. Half again as much as a .45 ACP. Why would you want a less powerful handgun?

Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report

Not all kinetic energy is good energy. If you shoot the .357 into a guy who is all doped up, when the bullet goes though him he keeps on coming at you. With a .45 the impact of the bullet is enough to knock the person down. Some of my Air Force supers said that in North Vietnam, the .556 would go through the Vietcong, who were so doped up, that even after 20 rounds they kept coming until around the 20 yard mark with then the .45 well placed finally brought the gook down...

And another one who is ignorant of Kinetic Energy. Ok. Newton’s Third Law, any action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the bullet that is fired by the .45 ACP is so powerful that it would knock someone down, then firing the bullet would in turn knock the shooter down. It would look like this.



But since every time someone shoots a .45 ACP they don’t look like Will Smith in Men in Black firing the “Noisy Cricket” we know that isn’t the case don’t we?”



Now, if you want real world information, instead of the mythical nonsense fed to you over the years, try this video on for reality.



That study was done with information from over a thousand real world shooting events. Not the nonsense from one or two people who talk about knock down power mythology.

The .45 ACP has essentially the same one shot stop statistics as a 9MM. And there are more than a few events where someone dumped a magazine plus of .45 into a baddie and they kept on coming.

There are four ways that a bullet kills someone. 1) Vital Organ. Head or heart basically. Generally speaking if you hit either the brain, or the heart, the baddie is going to die. 2) Exsanguination. This means that you bleed to death. The faster that the red stuff flows from a body, the faster this means of death occurs. 3) Suffocation. The chest or lungs fill up with blood, and the individual literally drowns in his own bodily fluids. Again, faster is better generally speaking.

Number four. This is all others. Lead poisoning, Shock. Embolism from a blood clot, a chunk of bone, or fat, in the blood stream. This is realistically speaking, impossible to plan for. But people do die from it so we have to include it.

In none of those, is the .45 superior to the .357, or the 5.56. The 5.56MM causes an effect known as Hydrostatic Damage. In other words, the bullet strikes the human body, and the liquids that make up a vast majority of us, say about 70%, is compressed by the fast moving bullet. This can’t actually happen, liquids do not compress, so the shock wave spreads outwards, and tears up additional flesh. That torn flesh bleeds more than the hole would, thus causing faster loss of blood, and speedier arrival of the number two method of death. If you want to know what this looks like, toss a rock into a pool of water. You have an example of Hydrostatic force, the waves radiating outwards.

Also, the through and though wound would allow blood to flow out of two holes. Presuming that the individual did not die faster from a vital organ being destroyed.

Now, we have ended the nonsense about “knockdown power” and shown that stopping power of the .45 in real world, instead of mythic Hollywood and other fictional sources, is essentially equal to other handgun rounds. We have explained how bullets kill. From experience, this is where the .45 lover will insist I have no idea what I am talking about, and none of those links are telling the truth.

 

[miketx]

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You don’t know much about kinetic energy do you?

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The revolver round, .357 has nearly twice the kinetic energy of a 9MM. Half again as much as a .45 ACP. Why would you want a less powerful handgun?

Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report

Not all kinetic energy is good energy. If you shoot the .357 into a guy who is all doped up, when the bullet goes though him he keeps on coming at you. With a .45 the impact of the bullet is enough to knock the person down. Some of my Air Force supers said that in North Vietnam, the .556 would go through the Vietcong, who were so doped up, that even after 20 rounds they kept coming until around the 20 yard mark with then the .45 well placed finally brought the gook down...

And another one who is ignorant of Kinetic Energy. Ok. Newton’s Third Law, any action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the bullet that is fired by the .45 ACP is so powerful that it would knock someone down, then firing the bullet would in turn knock the shooter down. It would look like this.



But since every time someone shoots a .45 ACP they don’t look like Will Smith in Men in Black firing the “Noisy Cricket” we know that isn’t the case don’t we?”



Now, if you want real world information, instead of the mythical nonsense fed to you over the years, try this video on for reality.



That study was done with information from over a thousand real world shooting events. Not the nonsense from one or two people who talk about knock down power mythology.

The .45 ACP has essentially the same one shot stop statistics as a 9MM. And there are more than a few events where someone dumped a magazine plus of .45 into a baddie and they kept on coming.

There are four ways that a bullet kills someone. 1) Vital Organ. Head or heart basically. Generally speaking if you hit either the brain, or the heart, the baddie is going to die. 2) Exsanguination. This means that you bleed to death. The faster that the red stuff flows from a body, the faster this means of death occurs. 3) Suffocation. The chest or lungs fill up with blood, and the individual literally drowns in his own bodily fluids. Again, faster is better generally speaking.

Number four. This is all others. Lead poisoning, Shock. Embolism from a blood clot, a chunk of bone, or fat, in the blood stream. This is realistically speaking, impossible to plan for. But people do die from it so we have to include it.

In none of those, is the .45 superior to the .357, or the 5.56. The 5.56MM causes an effect known as Hydrostatic Damage. In other words, the bullet strikes the human body, and the liquids that make up a vast majority of us, say about 70%, is compressed by the fast moving bullet. This can’t actually happen, liquids do not compress, so the shock wave spreads outwards, and tears up additional flesh. That torn flesh bleeds more than the hole would, thus causing faster loss of blood, and speedier arrival of the number two method of death. If you want to know what this looks like, toss a rock into a pool of water. You have an example of Hydrostatic force, the waves radiating outwards.

Also, the through and though wound would allow blood to flow out of two holes. Presuming that the individual did not die faster from a vital organ being destroyed.

Now, we have ended the nonsense about “knockdown power” and shown that stopping power of the .45 in real world, instead of mythic Hollywood and other fictional sources, is essentially equal to other handgun rounds. We have explained how bullets kill. From experience, this is where the .45 lover will insist I have no idea what I am talking about, and none of those links are telling the truth.

The ignorance is all on you troll. Real world is different than the BS you live in.

 

[WinterBorn]

You don’t know much about kinetic energy do you?

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The revolver round, .357 has nearly twice the kinetic energy of a 9MM. Half again as much as a .45 ACP. Why would you want a less powerful handgun?

Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report

Not all kinetic energy is good energy. If you shoot the .357 into a guy who is all doped up, when the bullet goes though him he keeps on coming at you. With a .45 the impact of the bullet is enough to knock the person down. Some of my Air Force supers said that in North Vietnam, the .556 would go through the Vietcong, who were so doped up, that even after 20 rounds they kept coming until around the 20 yard mark with then the .45 well placed finally brought the gook down...

And another one who is ignorant of Kinetic Energy. Ok. Newton’s Third Law, any action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the bullet that is fired by the .45 ACP is so powerful that it would knock someone down, then firing the bullet would in turn knock the shooter down. It would look like this.



But since every time someone shoots a .45 ACP they don’t look like Will Smith in Men in Black firing the “Noisy Cricket” we know that isn’t the case don’t we?”



Now, if you want real world information, instead of the mythical nonsense fed to you over the years, try this video on for reality.



That study was done with information from over a thousand real world shooting events. Not the nonsense from one or two people who talk about knock down power mythology.

The .45 ACP has essentially the same one shot stop statistics as a 9MM. And there are more than a few events where someone dumped a magazine plus of .45 into a baddie and they kept on coming.

There are four ways that a bullet kills someone. 1) Vital Organ. Head or heart basically. Generally speaking if you hit either the brain, or the heart, the baddie is going to die. 2) Exsanguination. This means that you bleed to death. The faster that the red stuff flows from a body, the faster this means of death occurs. 3) Suffocation. The chest or lungs fill up with blood, and the individual literally drowns in his own bodily fluids. Again, faster is better generally speaking.

Number four. This is all others. Lead poisoning, Shock. Embolism from a blood clot, a chunk of bone, or fat, in the blood stream. This is realistically speaking, impossible to plan for. But people do die from it so we have to include it.

In none of those, is the .45 superior to the .357, or the 5.56. The 5.56MM causes an effect known as Hydrostatic Damage. In other words, the bullet strikes the human body, and the liquids that make up a vast majority of us, say about 70%, is compressed by the fast moving bullet. This can’t actually happen, liquids do not compress, so the shock wave spreads outwards, and tears up additional flesh. That torn flesh bleeds more than the hole would, thus causing faster loss of blood, and speedier arrival of the number two method of death. If you want to know what this looks like, toss a rock into a pool of water. You have an example of Hydrostatic force, the waves radiating outwards.

Also, the through and though wound would allow blood to flow out of two holes. Presuming that the individual did not die faster from a vital organ being destroyed.

Now, we have ended the nonsense about “knockdown power” and shown that stopping power of the .45 in real world, instead of mythic Hollywood and other fictional sources, is essentially equal to other handgun rounds. We have explained how bullets kill. From experience, this is where the .45 lover will insist I have no idea what I am talking about, and none of those links are telling the truth.

The ignorance is all on you troll. Real world is different than the BS you live in.

He is quoting a study of thousands of real world shootings. What information would you offer that would be more accurate?

 

[SavannahMann]

You don’t know much about kinetic energy do you?

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The revolver round, .357 has nearly twice the kinetic energy of a 9MM. Half again as much as a .45 ACP. Why would you want a less powerful handgun?

Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report

Not all kinetic energy is good energy. If you shoot the .357 into a guy who is all doped up, when the bullet goes though him he keeps on coming at you. With a .45 the impact of the bullet is enough to knock the person down. Some of my Air Force supers said that in North Vietnam, the .556 would go through the Vietcong, who were so doped up, that even after 20 rounds they kept coming until around the 20 yard mark with then the .45 well placed finally brought the gook down...

And another one who is ignorant of Kinetic Energy. Ok. Newton’s Third Law, any action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the bullet that is fired by the .45 ACP is so powerful that it would knock someone down, then firing the bullet would in turn knock the shooter down. It would look like this.



But since every time someone shoots a .45 ACP they don’t look like Will Smith in Men in Black firing the “Noisy Cricket” we know that isn’t the case don’t we?”



Now, if you want real world information, instead of the mythical nonsense fed to you over the years, try this video on for reality.



That study was done with information from over a thousand real world shooting events. Not the nonsense from one or two people who talk about knock down power mythology.

The .45 ACP has essentially the same one shot stop statistics as a 9MM. And there are more than a few events where someone dumped a magazine plus of .45 into a baddie and they kept on coming.

There are four ways that a bullet kills someone. 1) Vital Organ. Head or heart basically. Generally speaking if you hit either the brain, or the heart, the baddie is going to die. 2) Exsanguination. This means that you bleed to death. The faster that the red stuff flows from a body, the faster this means of death occurs. 3) Suffocation. The chest or lungs fill up with blood, and the individual literally drowns in his own bodily fluids. Again, faster is better generally speaking.

Number four. This is all others. Lead poisoning, Shock. Embolism from a blood clot, a chunk of bone, or fat, in the blood stream. This is realistically speaking, impossible to plan for. But people do die from it so we have to include it.

In none of those, is the .45 superior to the .357, or the 5.56. The 5.56MM causes an effect known as Hydrostatic Damage. In other words, the bullet strikes the human body, and the liquids that make up a vast majority of us, say about 70%, is compressed by the fast moving bullet. This can’t actually happen, liquids do not compress, so the shock wave spreads outwards, and tears up additional flesh. That torn flesh bleeds more than the hole would, thus causing faster loss of blood, and speedier arrival of the number two method of death. If you want to know what this looks like, toss a rock into a pool of water. You have an example of Hydrostatic force, the waves radiating outwards.

Also, the through and though wound would allow blood to flow out of two holes. Presuming that the individual did not die faster from a vital organ being destroyed.

Now, we have ended the nonsense about “knockdown power” and shown that stopping power of the .45 in real world, instead of mythic Hollywood and other fictional sources, is essentially equal to other handgun rounds. We have explained how bullets kill. From experience, this is where the .45 lover will insist I have no idea what I am talking about, and none of those links are telling the truth.

The ignorance is all on you troll. Real world is different than the BS you live in.

Really? So the cop who conducted a study consisting of more than 1,700 shootings, real world shootings, is full of shit? Wow. That’s awesome. And the medical reality of shootings concerning causes of death is also bullshit? Great to know. So what magical force causes death, and where is the study that you can quote that shows my information is wrong? Let me guess, your gun shoots bullets empowered by the Harry Potter death curse right?

LOL. Come on Mike, tell me the truth. I’d like to see some proof of it. Of course, you backing up anything, including the time of day, would be a first.

 

[SavannahMann]

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The revolver round, .357 has nearly twice the kinetic energy of a 9MM. Half again as much as a .45 ACP. Why would you want a less powerful handgun?

Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report

Not all kinetic energy is good energy. If you shoot the .357 into a guy who is all doped up, when the bullet goes though him he keeps on coming at you. With a .45 the impact of the bullet is enough to knock the person down. Some of my Air Force supers said that in North Vietnam, the .556 would go through the Vietcong, who were so doped up, that even after 20 rounds they kept coming until around the 20 yard mark with then the .45 well placed finally brought the gook down...

And another one who is ignorant of Kinetic Energy. Ok. Newton’s Third Law, any action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the bullet that is fired by the .45 ACP is so powerful that it would knock someone down, then firing the bullet would in turn knock the shooter down. It would look like this.



But since every time someone shoots a .45 ACP they don’t look like Will Smith in Men in Black firing the “Noisy Cricket” we know that isn’t the case don’t we?”



Now, if you want real world information, instead of the mythical nonsense fed to you over the years, try this video on for reality.



That study was done with information from over a thousand real world shooting events. Not the nonsense from one or two people who talk about knock down power mythology.

The .45 ACP has essentially the same one shot stop statistics as a 9MM. And there are more than a few events where someone dumped a magazine plus of .45 into a baddie and they kept on coming.

There are four ways that a bullet kills someone. 1) Vital Organ. Head or heart basically. Generally speaking if you hit either the brain, or the heart, the baddie is going to die. 2) Exsanguination. This means that you bleed to death. The faster that the red stuff flows from a body, the faster this means of death occurs. 3) Suffocation. The chest or lungs fill up with blood, and the individual literally drowns in his own bodily fluids. Again, faster is better generally speaking.

Number four. This is all others. Lead poisoning, Shock. Embolism from a blood clot, a chunk of bone, or fat, in the blood stream. This is realistically speaking, impossible to plan for. But people do die from it so we have to include it.

In none of those, is the .45 superior to the .357, or the 5.56. The 5.56MM causes an effect known as Hydrostatic Damage. In other words, the bullet strikes the human body, and the liquids that make up a vast majority of us, say about 70%, is compressed by the fast moving bullet. This can’t actually happen, liquids do not compress, so the shock wave spreads outwards, and tears up additional flesh. That torn flesh bleeds more than the hole would, thus causing faster loss of blood, and speedier arrival of the number two method of death. If you want to know what this looks like, toss a rock into a pool of water. You have an example of Hydrostatic force, the waves radiating outwards.

Also, the through and though wound would allow blood to flow out of two holes. Presuming that the individual did not die faster from a vital organ being destroyed.

Now, we have ended the nonsense about “knockdown power” and shown that stopping power of the .45 in real world, instead of mythic Hollywood and other fictional sources, is essentially equal to other handgun rounds. We have explained how bullets kill. From experience, this is where the .45 lover will insist I have no idea what I am talking about, and none of those links are telling the truth.

The ignorance is all on you troll. Real world is different than the BS you live in.

He is quoting a study of thousands of real world shootings. What information would you offer that would be more accurate?

You have to understand Mike. He detests me. So if I said Night was Dark and Day was light, Mike would rush out and scream that I’m a troll and I’m lying.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

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You don’t know much about kinetic energy do you?

View attachment 230457

The revolver round, .357 has nearly twice the kinetic energy of a 9MM. Half again as much as a .45 ACP. Why would you want a less powerful handgun?

Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report

Not all kinetic energy is good energy. If you shoot the .357 into a guy who is all doped up, when the bullet goes though him he keeps on coming at you. With a .45 the impact of the bullet is enough to knock the person down. Some of my Air Force supers said that in North Vietnam, the .556 would go through the Vietcong, who were so doped up, that even after 20 rounds they kept coming until around the 20 yard mark with then the .45 well placed finally brought the gook down...

And another one who is ignorant of Kinetic Energy. Ok. Newton’s Third Law, any action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the bullet that is fired by the .45 ACP is so powerful that it would knock someone down, then firing the bullet would in turn knock the shooter down. It would look like this.



But since every time someone shoots a .45 ACP they don’t look like Will Smith in Men in Black firing the “Noisy Cricket” we know that isn’t the case don’t we?”



Now, if you want real world information, instead of the mythical nonsense fed to you over the years, try this video on for reality.



That study was done with information from over a thousand real world shooting events. Not the nonsense from one or two people who talk about knock down power mythology.

The .45 ACP has essentially the same one shot stop statistics as a 9MM. And there are more than a few events where someone dumped a magazine plus of .45 into a baddie and they kept on coming.

There are four ways that a bullet kills someone. 1) Vital Organ. Head or heart basically. Generally speaking if you hit either the brain, or the heart, the baddie is going to die. 2) Exsanguination. This means that you bleed to death. The faster that the red stuff flows from a body, the faster this means of death occurs. 3) Suffocation. The chest or lungs fill up with blood, and the individual literally drowns in his own bodily fluids. Again, faster is better generally speaking.

Number four. This is all others. Lead poisoning, Shock. Embolism from a blood clot, a chunk of bone, or fat, in the blood stream. This is realistically speaking, impossible to plan for. But people do die from it so we have to include it.

In none of those, is the .45 superior to the .357, or the 5.56. The 5.56MM causes an effect known as Hydrostatic Damage. In other words, the bullet strikes the human body, and the liquids that make up a vast majority of us, say about 70%, is compressed by the fast moving bullet. This can’t actually happen, liquids do not compress, so the shock wave spreads outwards, and tears up additional flesh. That torn flesh bleeds more than the hole would, thus causing faster loss of blood, and speedier arrival of the number two method of death. If you want to know what this looks like, toss a rock into a pool of water. You have an example of Hydrostatic force, the waves radiating outwards.

Also, the through and though wound would allow blood to flow out of two holes. Presuming that the individual did not die faster from a vital organ being destroyed.

Now, we have ended the nonsense about “knockdown power” and shown that stopping power of the .45 in real world, instead of mythic Hollywood and other fictional sources, is essentially equal to other handgun rounds. We have explained how bullets kill. From experience, this is where the .45 lover will insist I have no idea what I am talking about, and none of those links are telling the truth.

I guess you didnt see the part of the doped up individual that was shot many times, but it took the big heavy slow bullet to finally bring him down...This was from Vietnam vets, I wont argue with...

 

[Crepitus]

Tell me what you think. Is a pistol with a fully loaded magazine locked in place but no round in the chamber considered loaded? I say no, it's unloaded.

That would be because you are so damn stupid.

Loaded mag in the pistol means it loaded, chambered or not. Ask your local law enforcement.

 

[miketx]

Tell me what you think. Is a pistol with a fully loaded magazine locked in place but no round in the chamber considered loaded? I say no, it's unloaded.

That would be because you are so damn stupid.

Loaded mag in the pistol means it loaded, chambered or not. Ask your local law enforcement.

Can't fire with no bullet in the chamber. unloaded.

 

[WinterBorn]

Tell me what you think. Is a pistol with a fully loaded magazine locked in place but no round in the chamber considered loaded? I say no, it's unloaded.

That would be because you are so damn stupid.

Loaded mag in the pistol means it loaded, chambered or not. Ask your local law enforcement.

Can't fire with no bullet in the chamber. unloaded.

If I put the safety on, my 1911 can't fire, even with one in the chamber. Is it unloaded?

Loaded or unloaded is not about whether the gun is ready to fire. It is about whether it is loaded with ammunition.

 

[SavannahMann]

You don’t know much about kinetic energy do you?

View attachment 230457

The revolver round, .357 has nearly twice the kinetic energy of a 9MM. Half again as much as a .45 ACP. Why would you want a less powerful handgun?

Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report

Not all kinetic energy is good energy. If you shoot the .357 into a guy who is all doped up, when the bullet goes though him he keeps on coming at you. With a .45 the impact of the bullet is enough to knock the person down. Some of my Air Force supers said that in North Vietnam, the .556 would go through the Vietcong, who were so doped up, that even after 20 rounds they kept coming until around the 20 yard mark with then the .45 well placed finally brought the gook down...

And another one who is ignorant of Kinetic Energy. Ok. Newton’s Third Law, any action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the bullet that is fired by the .45 ACP is so powerful that it would knock someone down, then firing the bullet would in turn knock the shooter down. It would look like this.



But since every time someone shoots a .45 ACP they don’t look like Will Smith in Men in Black firing the “Noisy Cricket” we know that isn’t the case don’t we?”



Now, if you want real world information, instead of the mythical nonsense fed to you over the years, try this video on for reality.



That study was done with information from over a thousand real world shooting events. Not the nonsense from one or two people who talk about knock down power mythology.

The .45 ACP has essentially the same one shot stop statistics as a 9MM. And there are more than a few events where someone dumped a magazine plus of .45 into a baddie and they kept on coming.

There are four ways that a bullet kills someone. 1) Vital Organ. Head or heart basically. Generally speaking if you hit either the brain, or the heart, the baddie is going to die. 2) Exsanguination. This means that you bleed to death. The faster that the red stuff flows from a body, the faster this means of death occurs. 3) Suffocation. The chest or lungs fill up with blood, and the individual literally drowns in his own bodily fluids. Again, faster is better generally speaking.

Number four. This is all others. Lead poisoning, Shock. Embolism from a blood clot, a chunk of bone, or fat, in the blood stream. This is realistically speaking, impossible to plan for. But people do die from it so we have to include it.

In none of those, is the .45 superior to the .357, or the 5.56. The 5.56MM causes an effect known as Hydrostatic Damage. In other words, the bullet strikes the human body, and the liquids that make up a vast majority of us, say about 70%, is compressed by the fast moving bullet. This can’t actually happen, liquids do not compress, so the shock wave spreads outwards, and tears up additional flesh. That torn flesh bleeds more than the hole would, thus causing faster loss of blood, and speedier arrival of the number two method of death. If you want to know what this looks like, toss a rock into a pool of water. You have an example of Hydrostatic force, the waves radiating outwards.

Also, the through and though wound would allow blood to flow out of two holes. Presuming that the individual did not die faster from a vital organ being destroyed.

Now, we have ended the nonsense about “knockdown power” and shown that stopping power of the .45 in real world, instead of mythic Hollywood and other fictional sources, is essentially equal to other handgun rounds. We have explained how bullets kill. From experience, this is where the .45 lover will insist I have no idea what I am talking about, and none of those links are telling the truth.

I guess you didnt see the part of the doped up individual that was shot many times, but it took the big heavy slow bullet to finally bring him down...This was from Vietnam vets, I wont argue with...

Oh, I saw it.



I saw it. I guess you didn’t watch the link I posted where even the mighty .45 failed to stop the baddie about 1/3 of the time. Myths die hard. So keep on with the myths while the rest of us deal with facts and reality.

 

[WinterBorn]

I love my 1911. I trust it. But there is no guarantee it will make a one shot stop, even if I am accurate.
We have 2 revolvers in the house that are loaded and ready. They are both .357s. There is no guaranteed on them either.

This idea that there is one perfect round for self defense (or any other use) is laughable.

 

[Geaux4it]

Since the firearm is not in Condition Zero, round in chamber, it is unable to fire in the Condition 3 in your scenario. So no, your gun is not loaded.

-Geaux

 

[WinterBorn]

Since the firearm is not in Condition Zero, round in chamber, it is unable to fire in the Condition 3 in your scenario. So no, your gun is not loaded.

-Geaux

Once again, the term "loaded" is about whether there is ammunition in the gun. Not whether it is ready to fire.

 

[SavannahMann]

I love my 1911. I trust it. But there is no guarantee it will make a one shot stop, even if I am accurate.
We have 2 revolvers in the house that are loaded and ready. They are both .357s. There is no guaranteed on them either.

This idea that there is one perfect round for self defense (or any other use) is laughable.

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you. My goal, and it is always my goal, is to let people know what the truth is, what the facts are. I prefer the .357, and the reason is that all things considered, I believe it is the best available round, but that is with the knowledge it isn’t anywhere near perfect. Firearms like cars are always a balancing act. How much you can get, versus how much it costs, and not just in money. A Smith and Wesson 500 may be powerful, but it is heavy, difficult to shoot, and expensive to shoot.

The myths that exist with guns are so many that it is probably a foolish effort to try and end the ignorance, but I go ahead and tilt at windmills. From anti gunners who think that my weapon is somehow imbued with homocidal intent, to pro gunners who are incredibly ignorant of the truth concerning history and facts.

I remain a firm believer in whatever works for you, is the best choice for you. I’ve spent a lifetime listening to the folks who swear that only a .45 is good enough, or a 9MM is a joke. It always comes down to math, and math is the determining factor. Not just in the calculations of kinetic energy, but in the statistical results from that kinetic energy.

My goal is always education, mine, and theirs. The more you know, the better decisions you can make. If the folks with a .45 would, like you, say you like and trust it, then I’d leave it at that. But most of them, and I’m sure you’ve seen it, believe it is this is some sort of mytically powerful round that if it touches the baddies thumb, will throw him to the ground and stomp the snot out of him.

I’ve never liked it, not since I learned about how Kinetic Energy is calculated. One half Mass times Velocity squared. You square the velocity, before you cut the mass in half, to get the number. So the heavy slow moving bullet isn’t an advantage, it is a disadvantage in efficiency.

 

[SavannahMann]

Since the firearm is not in Condition Zero, round in chamber, it is unable to fire in the Condition 3 in your scenario. So no, your gun is not loaded.

-Geaux

I think it comes down to the whim of the cop. Because no matter what the law says, the cop is going to do what he believes is “right” or what he can get away with. A loaded weapon if it is in violation of the law, will be written up as loaded when the cop arrests you, and your lawyer can argue if there is a round in the chamber, or not later, and probably lose since the Judges tend to side with the cops, unless there is a really good reason, like video, to prove them wrong.

 

[WinterBorn]

I love my 1911. I trust it. But there is no guarantee it will make a one shot stop, even if I am accurate.
We have 2 revolvers in the house that are loaded and ready. They are both .357s. There is no guaranteed on them either.

This idea that there is one perfect round for self defense (or any other use) is laughable.

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you. My goal, and it is always my goal, is to let people know what the truth is, what the facts are. I prefer the .357, and the reason is that all things considered, I believe it is the best available round, but that is with the knowledge it isn’t anywhere near perfect. Firearms like cars are always a balancing act. How much you can get, versus how much it costs, and not just in money. A Smith and Wesson 500 may be powerful, but it is heavy, difficult to shoot, and expensive to shoot.

The myths that exist with guns are so many that it is probably a foolish effort to try and end the ignorance, but I go ahead and tilt at windmills. From anti gunners who think that my weapon is somehow imbued with homocidal intent, to pro gunners who are incredibly ignorant of the truth concerning history and facts.

I remain a firm believer in whatever works for you, is the best choice for you. I’ve spent a lifetime listening to the folks who swear that only a .45 is good enough, or a 9MM is a joke. It always comes down to math, and math is the determining factor. Not just in the calculations of kinetic energy, but in the statistical results from that kinetic energy.

My goal is always education, mine, and theirs. The more you know, the better decisions you can make. If the folks with a .45 would, like you, say you like and trust it, then I’d leave it at that. But most of them, and I’m sure you’ve seen it, believe it is this is some sort of mytically powerful round that if it touches the baddies thumb, will throw him to the ground and stomp the snot out of him.

I’ve never liked it, not since I learned about how Kinetic Energy is calculated. One half Mass times Velocity squared. You square the velocity, before you cut the mass in half, to get the number. So the heavy slow moving bullet isn’t an advantage, it is a disadvantage in efficiency.

The myths surrounding certain rounds are crazy. Yes, the .45ACP is one of the big ones. My grandfather swore by the .45. I think part of his love for the round goes back to the days when the 38 Long Colt was the standard round. (granddaddy was born in 1896) So when the new round came out, everyone was jumping on the bandwagon.

Having said that, I have always been a fan of a bigger bullet.

 

[Geaux4it]

Since the firearm is not in Condition Zero, round in chamber, it is unable to fire in the Condition 3 in your scenario. So no, your gun is not loaded.

-Geaux

Once again, the term "loaded" is about whether there is ammunition in the gun. Not whether it is ready to fire.

Technically speaking, I disagree.

-Geaux

 

[BULLDOG]

Tell me what you think. Is a pistol with a fully loaded magazine locked in place but no round in the chamber considered loaded? I say no, it's unloaded.

All guns are loaded. Don't you know anything about safety?

 

[Geaux4it]

Some states have statutory definitions of loaded. State of Utah requires that the gun be "two or more mechanical actions away from being fired and no cartridge in the firing position" in order to qualify as not loaded. Thus, a revolver with two empty cylinders would not count as loaded, nor would a pistol with a loaded magazine but nothing in the chamber (two mechanical actions = racking slide + pulling trigger).

-Geaux

 

[Anathema]

Tell me what you think. Is a pistol with a fully loaded magazine locked in place but no round in the chamber considered loaded? I say no, it's unloaded.

In my mind it’s loaded but it’s a loaded rock, not a gun. Why anyone would carry a gun without a round in the chamber totally bewilders me. The same with manual safeties. ANYTHING that slows down my ability to put the gun into action is something I’m going to avoid like the plague.