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The argument from the left is that big business has no moral compass and no sense of patriotism or duty to any country or market and the republicans gladly and without embarrassment let corporate people like that run our country for their own selfish ends.
Big business (capitalists) do not exist to exemplify patriotism, promote social values, or devote themselves to moral causes dreamed up by liberals. They exist to do one thing, make a profit. Now sometimes it helps in the effort to make profits to be patriotic or devote themselves to causes, and when this is the case, they often do so. But primarily, their mission is to make as much profit as possible.
You view this as "greed" but it isn't. It's just what capitalists do. What is "greed" is sitting on your liberal ass and expecting your government to confiscate wealth you didn't earn and give it to you.
Oh please......Modern liberals could not even begin to conceptualize ANY of these things.More concepts coming out of the Liberal Mind..
1. The 40-hour work week.
2. Weekends
3. Vacations
4. Women’s Voting Rights
5. The Civil Rights Act of 1964
6. The right of people of all colors to use schools and facilities.
7. Public schools.
8. Child-labor laws.
9. The right to unionize
10. Health care benefits
11. National Parks
12. National Forests
13. Interstate Highway System
14. GI Bill
15. Labor Laws/Worker’s Rights
16. Marshall Plan
17. FDA
18. Direct election of Senators by the people.
19. Occupational Safety and Health Administration, Workplace safety laws
20. Social Security
8211 150 Achievements Of Liberalism That Conservatives Seek To Destroy
Your side gets ZERO credit for any item on this list....And do not insist. Because you'd be wrong
Conservatives STILL have a problem supporting these concepts
I know this, it's why I shudder when republicans say that they will bring big business values to government. Capitalism is amoral by your definition, do you want an amoral government concerned only with cash flow? I don't, I want a government that is concerned with the well being of it's citizens. Remember them? Those things that republicans and democrats alike are fond of calling "consumers".
Oh please......Modern liberals could not even begin to conceptualize ANY of these things.More concepts coming out of the Liberal Mind..
1. The 40-hour work week.
2. Weekends
3. Vacations
4. Women’s Voting Rights
5. The Civil Rights Act of 1964
6. The right of people of all colors to use schools and facilities.
7. Public schools.
8. Child-labor laws.
9. The right to unionize
10. Health care benefits
11. National Parks
12. National Forests
13. Interstate Highway System
14. GI Bill
15. Labor Laws/Worker’s Rights
16. Marshall Plan
17. FDA
18. Direct election of Senators by the people.
19. Occupational Safety and Health Administration, Workplace safety laws
20. Social Security
8211 150 Achievements Of Liberalism That Conservatives Seek To Destroy
Your side gets ZERO credit for any item on this list....And do not insist. Because you'd be wrong
Conservatives STILL have a problem supporting these concepts
Why do you say things you know to be false, are you attempting humor?
We have spent many more trillions on the military and yet, we still have warsI know this, it's why I shudder when republicans say that they will bring big business values to government. Capitalism is amoral by your definition, do you want an amoral government concerned only with cash flow? I don't, I want a government that is concerned with the well being of it's citizens. Remember them? Those things that republicans and democrats alike are fond of calling "consumers".
I want an amoral government only concerned with cash flow and the limited power it is granted under the constitution. Let the people define their own morals and address their own social concerns, it's not the government's place. Whenever government becomes involved in "do-good-ism" it fails. We have countless examples of that.
You say you're concerned with the "well being" of citizens, but repeatedly we've seen one liberal initiative after another fail to produce results. We've spent upwards of $20 trillion on social entitlement programs and we have as many people living in poverty as before we started. We're now spending $13,000 per child for education that lags behind the rest of the industrialized world. We've totally priced ourselves out of the manufacturing sector with unionized labor. On and on, one liberal initiative to "help people" after another has failed to help anyone but the politicians who continue to dangle a carrot for idiots like yourself, and push us closer and closer to totalitarian socialism and away from constitutional freedom.
I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around.Rachel Maddow.You actually believe that nonsense. Amazing.I have read so many ignorant right wing posts I don't know where to begin. I try to kiss republicans. Keep It Simple Stupid.
There are a lot of smart rich liberals out there. I remember one guy saying the smartest guys he knew were out there on the union shop floor because at least they were smart enough to insist on a fair share of the profits.
Notice a lot of celebs are liberal? That's because they weren't born with a silver spoon in our mouths.
And the rich you defend isn't the rich person who got rich because they were smarter or worked harder. We have a problem with old money in this country. They don't work for their money. Like Romney, they make their money on investments and by ruining companies. American workers cost too much so they shipped those jobs overseas. The rich in this country don't care about America. That's why our government has to defend the worker. If you don't get that, go start a libertarian country somewhere and see how that works out for ya.
America from 1950-2000 had the greatest middle class the world had ever seen. Republicans don't defend NAFTA, they just come back with "Clinton signed it". What a cop out. Republicans blamed unions for why companies were going overseas. Well of course when you can go from $25 hr to $5 a day, of course! I don't want to get distracted and go off on a tangent. What happened? As the union jobs went away and the Walmart jobs moved in, middle class America took a huge blow. Many today who think they are middle class are barely above the poverty line.
Long story short is we need some of the money the rich stole from us with those tax breaks. And we need to strengthen social security. The GOP blame the poor when they themselves PURPOSELY bankrupted the government. Not the poor, but the PENTAGON. Corporate tax breaks so that GE basically doesn't pay any taxes. Letting companies offshore their profits.
Do I really need to go on? You dumb ass middle class republicans are so fucking stupid I don't know why I even bother. That's why I stay in the Religion thread where I can attack the source of your stupidity. The fact you believe in an invisible man tells me you'll believe anything your politician/preacher says. You are fucking sheep. Us liberals follow no one unless they make sense. Like John Stewart, Bill Maher or Colbert. Where is the GOP's version of Colbert? He doesn't exist. Why? Because all the GOP spokespeople are liars and assholes. Ann Coulter's of the world. *****. LOL You are a ****. LOL
Oh, and any conservative woman is a **** to you. So much for the Republican war on women.....
Yup. Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, every GOP congressman's wife like McCain's rich **** wife. Even he calls her a ****. Rich spoiled bitches. Mitt Romney's wife? ****. LOL.
But I love Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Jennifer Granholm, Randi Rhodes, who's that lesbian on MSNBC?
Thanks. Bottom line is this. When the people of America get sick enough of it, they'll start showing up to vote. The right wing politicians rely on low voter turn out and they get it every midterm. So the American people get what they deserve. How many union guys in Michigan voted Republican and now we're a right to work state? Dummies. Ignorant arrogant Americans.
The rich that rule our country know not to make too many of us poor or make us all too poor. Every middle class American took a step back because of Bushanomics but they blame Clinton, Freddy, Fanny, Harry Reid, Obama, anyone but the real culprits who were the Mortgage Giants, Bankers and Wallstreet. They've even been found guilty but have the right wing defenders ever admitted they were wrong? NEVER
The GOP supports businesses. How evil of them. Democrats support unions which are deadset on punishing businesses. Businesses provide jobs. Unions chase away businesses. Businesses want a profit. How evil can you get.
I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else.To write a book on the mind, don't you have to have one first?
Not only do you need a mind but the ability to write coherently would be an essential requirement too.
But this does raise an interesting question. Why do those least qualified to write on a topic believe that they should tackle the subject matter? Isn't one of the basic premises that books are written by those who actually have a grasp of the subject matter concerned? Instead we have clueless buffoons who believe that they are "experts" spouting utter gibberish to their equally uninformed audiences.
The OP should start with something more within his own range of "expertise". The 'Dummy's Guide to Pretentious Obliviousness' would be an appropriate topic for the OP since that covers all of his threads to date.
We are. If you are poor or middle class and conservative, you have a screw or two missing.
If you are rich then we don't claim to be better than you we claim that you are a greedy fuck who's selfish to the core.
Conservatives hate government so they hate it anytime the government has to be the solution to a problem. Global Warming for example. We need our government to pass laws so citizens recycle and corporations clean up their act and we move toward green energy. This is why republicans hate admitting global warming is real and man made because they know you can't just ask and hope people stop pollutting. They won't. The government has to regulate it, and that kills Republicans.
The government has proven time and again that the do everything in a less efficient manner and in a more expensive way.
Also, Democrats lie. It's the only thing they're any good at.
If you're in business you have to be able to produce something people not only want to buy but can afford.Well here we see the one area of capitalism where a person can make too much money.Speaking of which:
Democrats support unions and unions kick back donations to Democrats. Without unions Democrats couldn't compete with Republicans for campaign funds. Unions chase businesses put of states and even chase em out of the country. So Democrats not only attack businesses with taxes and massive regulations, but they also back the groups primarily responsible for job loss in America.
Why did unions push companies out of the USA?
In 1998 Ford had record profits and employees got record level profit sharing.
You righties like to blame unions for things the GOP and Corporations did to themselves on purpose. They were able to go bankrupt and renig on pensions, move jobs overseas, cut wages and benefits, lower wages, get tax breaks passed that normally we wouldn't give but we were in a "recession" and they said it would help job creation.
And now you guys want to blame Obama because wages are down. If Romney would Prez you'd be bragging about this recovery. Fuck you guys.
I know some guys that worked in Detroit. Making $45/hr to do something a Japanese company will only pay $20/hr to do to make a much better product.
Not much surprise when American companies discovered they couldn't compete.
You mean like Obamacare?I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else.To write a book on the mind, don't you have to have one first?
Not only do you need a mind but the ability to write coherently would be an essential requirement too.
But this does raise an interesting question. Why do those least qualified to write on a topic believe that they should tackle the subject matter? Isn't one of the basic premises that books are written by those who actually have a grasp of the subject matter concerned? Instead we have clueless buffoons who believe that they are "experts" spouting utter gibberish to their equally uninformed audiences.
The OP should start with something more within his own range of "expertise". The 'Dummy's Guide to Pretentious Obliviousness' would be an appropriate topic for the OP since that covers all of his threads to date.
We are. If you are poor or middle class and conservative, you have a screw or two missing.
If you are rich then we don't claim to be better than you we claim that you are a greedy fuck who's selfish to the core.
Conservatives hate government so they hate it anytime the government has to be the solution to a problem. Global Warming for example. We need our government to pass laws so citizens recycle and corporations clean up their act and we move toward green energy. This is why republicans hate admitting global warming is real and man made because they know you can't just ask and hope people stop pollutting. They won't. The government has to regulate it, and that kills Republicans.
The government has proven time and again that the do everything in a less efficient manner and in a more expensive way.
Also, Democrats lie. It's the only thing they're any good at.
They are also good at stealing Republican ideas and make it seem that it's their idea. They are very good at that too.
We have spent many more trillions on the military and yet, we still have wars
I'd rather spend money on our people
Record profits is a bogus talking point.That goes back to this penchant by liberals for attacking job creation at it's core. Profit is evil. Businesses are here only to provide jobs. Both of which are totally fallacious arguments by the left.The group most responsible for job loss is the heartless bunch known only as "the stockholders". Isn't capitalism great? You can demand a factory move to China and never even have to see the faces of the newly unemployed or feel your greed hurt someone.Democrats support unions and unions kick back donations to Democrats. Without unions Democrats couldn't compete with Republicans for campaign funds. Unions chase businesses put of states and even chase em out of the country. So Democrats not only attack businesses with taxes and massive regulations, but they also back the groups primarily responsible for job loss in America.
I don't get you? In 2008 Ford had record profits that year. Everyone was happy including the employees who all got record profit sharing.
It is you who hates it when the employees get their fair share.
You want to cry about what is fair. In the past the CEO made 50 times the average employee. Today he makes 350 times. At what point do we speak up and ask what about our share? Walmart has record profits and what do the employees get?
Yeah, we tried to steal the 2000 election.America never put a guarantee to succeed in the bill of rights. Communism sure doesn't.Oooo scary, you got all serious and shit. No one wants to bring it down Mr. Big Bossman they just want to take the Psychopaths out of the equation. Do you think capitalism can work without undue exploitation or fraud? If it's that awesome then a return of some lost faith is nothing but a good thing. A lot of people have lost faith in capitalism because they did everything right and still failed. Shouting at people and calling them commies and infidels for noticing the warts and blemishes of your awesome economic religion is never going to restore anyone's faith.
Your side rigged the rules. Its our government's job to undo what the mega rich have done through Bush and the GOP and the Supreme Court.
No wonder the GOP needed to steal 2000. They already planned on invading Iraq that's we know for sure and they wanted to appoint Alito and Roberts so they could pass Citizens United.
Record profits is a bogus talking point.That goes back to this penchant by liberals for attacking job creation at it's core. Profit is evil. Businesses are here only to provide jobs. Both of which are totally fallacious arguments by the left.The group most responsible for job loss is the heartless bunch known only as "the stockholders". Isn't capitalism great? You can demand a factory move to China and never even have to see the faces of the newly unemployed or feel your greed hurt someone.Democrats support unions and unions kick back donations to Democrats. Without unions Democrats couldn't compete with Republicans for campaign funds. Unions chase businesses put of states and even chase em out of the country. So Democrats not only attack businesses with taxes and massive regulations, but they also back the groups primarily responsible for job loss in America.
I don't get you? In 2008 Ford had record profits that year. Everyone was happy including the employees who all got record profit sharing.
It is you who hates it when the employees get their fair share.
You want to cry about what is fair. In the past the CEO made 50 times the average employee. Today he makes 350 times. At what point do we speak up and ask what about our share? Walmart has record profits and what do the employees get?
BTW, who didn't take the bailout offer from TARP?
FORD.
Yeah, we tried to steal the 2000 election.America never put a guarantee to succeed in the bill of rights. Communism sure doesn't.Oooo scary, you got all serious and shit. No one wants to bring it down Mr. Big Bossman they just want to take the Psychopaths out of the equation. Do you think capitalism can work without undue exploitation or fraud? If it's that awesome then a return of some lost faith is nothing but a good thing. A lot of people have lost faith in capitalism because they did everything right and still failed. Shouting at people and calling them commies and infidels for noticing the warts and blemishes of your awesome economic religion is never going to restore anyone's faith.
Your side rigged the rules. Its our government's job to undo what the mega rich have done through Bush and the GOP and the Supreme Court.
No wonder the GOP needed to steal 2000. They already planned on invading Iraq that's we know for sure and they wanted to appoint Alito and Roberts so they could pass Citizens United.
Gore cheered when our deployed military had their votes thrown out. Obama went one up on that and simply burned their ballots.
Whoopsie!!!!
We have spent many more trillions on the military and yet, we still have wars
I'd rather spend money on our people
But that's not true. We've spent far less on defense than social entitlements. However, defense is the one area where our government has the responsibility under the constitution to spend our money. It's not optional, the constitution doesn't say government can either spend money for the defense of the nation or dole out money to people in need.
There will always be wars. We don't spend money on defense so there won't be a war.
We have spent many more trillions on the military and yet, we still have wars
I'd rather spend money on our people
But that's not true. We've spent far less on defense than social entitlements. However, defense is the one area where our government has the responsibility under the constitution to spend our money. It's not optional, the constitution doesn't say government can either spend money for the defense of the nation or dole out money to people in need.
There will always be wars. We don't spend money on defense so there won't be a war.
Increasing wages doesn't do either. As a matter of fact it drives the price up.If you're in business you have to be able to produce something people not only want to buy but can afford.Well here we see the one area of capitalism where a person can make too much money.Speaking of which:
Democrats support unions and unions kick back donations to Democrats. Without unions Democrats couldn't compete with Republicans for campaign funds. Unions chase businesses put of states and even chase em out of the country. So Democrats not only attack businesses with taxes and massive regulations, but they also back the groups primarily responsible for job loss in America.
Why did unions push companies out of the USA?
In 1998 Ford had record profits and employees got record level profit sharing.
You righties like to blame unions for things the GOP and Corporations did to themselves on purpose. They were able to go bankrupt and renig on pensions, move jobs overseas, cut wages and benefits, lower wages, get tax breaks passed that normally we wouldn't give but we were in a "recession" and they said it would help job creation.
And now you guys want to blame Obama because wages are down. If Romney would Prez you'd be bragging about this recovery. Fuck you guys.
I know some guys that worked in Detroit. Making $45/hr to do something a Japanese company will only pay $20/hr to do to make a much better product.
Not much surprise when American companies discovered they couldn't compete.
Which is one of the reasons why Henry Ford increased the wages of his workers.
Correct.The argument from the left is that big business has no moral compass and no sense of patriotism or duty to any country or market and the republicans gladly and without embarrassment let corporate people like that run our country for their own selfish ends.
Big business (capitalists) do not exist to exemplify patriotism, promote social values, or devote themselves to moral causes dreamed up by liberals. They exist to do one thing, make a profit. Now sometimes it helps in the effort to make profits to be patriotic or devote themselves to causes, and when this is the case, they often do so. But primarily, their mission is to make as much profit as possible.
You view this as "greed" but it isn't. It's just what capitalists do. What is "greed" is sitting on your liberal ass and expecting your government to confiscate wealth you didn't earn and give it to you.
I know this, it's why I shudder when republicans say that they will bring big business values to government. Capitalism is amoral by your definition, do you want an amoral government concerned only with cash flow? I don't, I want a government that is concerned with the well being of it's citizens. Remember them? Those things that republicans and democrats alike are fond of calling "consumers".
You mean like Obamacare?I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else.Not only do you need a mind but the ability to write coherently would be an essential requirement too.
But this does raise an interesting question. Why do those least qualified to write on a topic believe that they should tackle the subject matter? Isn't one of the basic premises that books are written by those who actually have a grasp of the subject matter concerned? Instead we have clueless buffoons who believe that they are "experts" spouting utter gibberish to their equally uninformed audiences.
The OP should start with something more within his own range of "expertise". The 'Dummy's Guide to Pretentious Obliviousness' would be an appropriate topic for the OP since that covers all of his threads to date.
We are. If you are poor or middle class and conservative, you have a screw or two missing.
If you are rich then we don't claim to be better than you we claim that you are a greedy fuck who's selfish to the core.
Conservatives hate government so they hate it anytime the government has to be the solution to a problem. Global Warming for example. We need our government to pass laws so citizens recycle and corporations clean up their act and we move toward green energy. This is why republicans hate admitting global warming is real and man made because they know you can't just ask and hope people stop pollutting. They won't. The government has to regulate it, and that kills Republicans.
The government has proven time and again that the do everything in a less efficient manner and in a more expensive way.
Also, Democrats lie. It's the only thing they're any good at.
They are also good at stealing Republican ideas and make it seem that it's their idea. They are very good at that too.
Who said anything about republicans?You mean like Obamacare?I think he can write a chapter or two on how liberals think they're smarter than everyone else.
We are. If you are poor or middle class and conservative, you have a screw or two missing.
If you are rich then we don't claim to be better than you we claim that you are a greedy fuck who's selfish to the core.
Conservatives hate government so they hate it anytime the government has to be the solution to a problem. Global Warming for example. We need our government to pass laws so citizens recycle and corporations clean up their act and we move toward green energy. This is why republicans hate admitting global warming is real and man made because they know you can't just ask and hope people stop pollutting. They won't. The government has to regulate it, and that kills Republicans.
The government has proven time and again that the do everything in a less efficient manner and in a more expensive way.
Also, Democrats lie. It's the only thing they're any good at.
They are also good at stealing Republican ideas and make it seem that it's their idea. They are very good at that too.
I was thinking more along the lines of your list.
Less work hours - for Coal Miners
National Parks and Forests, the FDA, most of them on that list were Theodore Roosevelt (R) ideas and were expanded by his Cousin FDR (D)
They took the ideas of Lincoln and Ted Roosevelt and made them into the Democrats ideas, then lied about it and said that it was always their ideas.
