‘Green’ Energy Fails Every Test....

[Old Rocks]

A highlight of the report is just-released Department of Energy data showing that consumers in the states that use the most wind energy have fared much better than consumers in states that use less wind energy. Consumers in the top wind energy-producing states have seen their electricity prices actually decrease by 0.37 percent over the last 5 years, while all other states have seen their electricity prices increase by 7.79 percent over that time period. The following chart summarizes how consumers have fared in states that produce more than 7 percent of their electricity from wind (Texas, Wyoming, Oregon, Oklahoma, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa) relative to other states.

Electricity Price Changes, 2008 – 2013

“During last month’s cold snaps, we saw very high wind energy output play a critical role in protecting consumers across the country from skyrocketing energy prices. This study confirms that wind energy is providing that benefit every day,” said Michael Goggin, Senior Electric Industry Analyst at the American Wind Energy Association.

New evidence that wind energy reduces electric bills for consumers

Well now Markle, you are a true 'Conservative', you just have to lie about everything. Wind and solar are both declining in price per kw produced. That is why in this nation we are building very few new coal plants. And we are installing solar and wind by the gigawatt. Definitely a good thing.

 

[Markle]

Solar produced almost all of the energy used by my properties in Coronado, Ca.

What I have always stated that green should start at home where each home has solar, but that impacts the profit potential of energy producers, thus we have so much false information pertaining to green energy where corporations are formed to serve the investor.

WOW! TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE! We seat well over 60,000 in our football stadium for a game on Saturday.

I also see that electricity in Coranado, CA, is about 50% higher than the rest of the country. Must be one of those rich California counties where they can afford to burn money. Hard on low income families though isn't it? Or do you not have any?

 

[bripat9643]

Solar produced almost all of the energy used by my properties in Coronado, Ca.

What I have always stated that green should start at home where each home has solar, but that impacts the profit potential of energy producers, thus we have so much false information pertaining to green energy where corporations are formed to serve the investor.

WOW! TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE! We seat well over 60,000 in our football stadium for a game on Saturday.

I also see that electricity in Coranado, CA, is about 50% higher than the rest of the country. Must be one of those rich California counties where they can afford to burn money. Hard on low income families though isn't it? Or do you not have any?

OnePercent doesn't have any properties in Coronado, so his claims about them using Solar Energy is a fairy tail.

 

[Markle]

A highlight of the report is just-released Department of Energy data showing that consumers in the states that use the most wind energy have fared much better than consumers in states that use less wind energy. Consumers in the top wind energy-producing states have seen their electricity prices actually decrease by 0.37 percent over the last 5 years, while all other states have seen their electricity prices increase by 7.79 percent over that time period. The following chart summarizes how consumers have fared in states that produce more than 7 percent of their electricity from wind (Texas, Wyoming, Oregon, Oklahoma, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa) relative to other states.

Electricity Price Changes, 2008 – 2013

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“During last month’s cold snaps, we saw very high wind energy output play a critical role in protecting consumers across the country from skyrocketing energy prices. This study confirms that wind energy is providing that benefit every day,” said Michael Goggin, Senior Electric Industry Analyst at the American Wind Energy Association.

New evidence that wind energy reduces electric bills for consumers

Well now Markle, you are a true 'Conservative', you just have to lie about everything. Wind and solar are both declining in price per kw produced. That is why in this nation we are building very few new coal plants. And we are installing solar and wind by the gigawatt. Definitely a good thing.

This is 2017. Sure, Wind and Solar power might be declining but are still crippling to low and medium income households.'

We, the US, is building very few new coal powered plants because of petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama's goal to cripple this nation by punishing low and medium income household's. How is that a good thing for our country?

China learned decades ago that in order for their economy to grow, they needed cheap and plentiful electricity. Since then they have been working toward that goal. President Obama's outspoken goal was to do just the opposite to the United States. Why do you believe that is good?

 

[Markle]

Fusion will be the energy of the future, possibly with Thorium nuclear power plants to fill the gap. Wind and solar are a joke. They will always need a 100% backup from a reliable source of power.

I really do not believe that greenies 100% backup is necessary for all their wild schemes.

 

[skookerasbil]

A highlight of the report is just-released Department of Energy data showing that consumers in the states that use the most wind energy have fared much better than consumers in states that use less wind energy. Consumers in the top wind energy-producing states have seen their electricity prices actually decrease by 0.37 percent over the last 5 years, while all other states have seen their electricity prices increase by 7.79 percent over that time period. The following chart summarizes how consumers have fared in states that produce more than 7 percent of their electricity from wind (Texas, Wyoming, Oregon, Oklahoma, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa) relative to other states.

Electricity Price Changes, 2008 – 2013

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“During last month’s cold snaps, we saw very high wind energy output play a critical role in protecting consumers across the country from skyrocketing energy prices. This study confirms that wind energy is providing that benefit every day,” said Michael Goggin, Senior Electric Industry Analyst at the American Wind Energy Association.

New evidence that wind energy reduces electric bills for consumers

Well now Markle, you are a true 'Conservative', you just have to lie about everything. Wind and solar are both declining in price per kw produced. That is why in this nation we are building very few new coal plants. And we are installing solar and wind by the gigawatt. Definitely a good thing.

All folklore.........

Imagine a slug trying to backpack across a state. That's what we are talking in terms of growth in renewables.

One will note.......any time we get a quote in this forum about the costs of renewables, it is from representatives of the wind/solar industry. Ghey........our own government provides yearly summaries of energy projections out to 2040 ( the latest from last year - the Obama EIA final report ). The graphs are hysterical...........but not if you are a climate crusader.

Here ya go s0ns.......one click is a 00buck 12G blast to the face for any progressive... http://naturalgasnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/eia-aeo2014-forecast-512x384.png

 

[skookerasbil]

1,600 new coal plants in the process of being built around the world as we speak.........only the climate nutters think these plants are decorative.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/03/forget-paris-1600-new-coal-power-plants-built-around-the-world/

C'mon now s0ns..........please with the fakery..........

 

[skookerasbil]

A highlight of the report is just-released Department of Energy data showing that consumers in the states that use the most wind energy have fared much better than consumers in states that use less wind energy. Consumers in the top wind energy-producing states have seen their electricity prices actually decrease by 0.37 percent over the last 5 years, while all other states have seen their electricity prices increase by 7.79 percent over that time period. The following chart summarizes how consumers have fared in states that produce more than 7 percent of their electricity from wind (Texas, Wyoming, Oregon, Oklahoma, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa) relative to other states.

Electricity Price Changes, 2008 – 2013

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“During last month’s cold snaps, we saw very high wind energy output play a critical role in protecting consumers across the country from skyrocketing energy prices. This study confirms that wind energy is providing that benefit every day,” said Michael Goggin, Senior Electric Industry Analyst at the American Wind Energy Association.

New evidence that wind energy reduces electric bills for consumers

Well now Markle, you are a true 'Conservative', you just have to lie about everything. Wind and solar are both declining in price per kw produced. That is why in this nation we are building very few new coal plants. And we are installing solar and wind by the gigawatt. Definitely a good thing.

This is 2017. Sure, Wind and Solar power might be declining but are still crippling to low and medium income households.'

We, the US, is building very few new coal powered plants because of petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama's goal to cripple this nation by punishing low and medium income household's. How is that a good thing for our country?

China learned decades ago that in order for their economy to grow, they needed cheap and plentiful electricity. Since then they have been working toward that goal. President Obama's outspoken goal was to do just the opposite to the United States. Why do you believe that is good?

Hey man......you spend a little time in this forum like I have and you realize that these folks who still worship Al Gore are in deep, deep denial. I mean......its astounding. Not even sure how some of these people navigate in the real world but upon closer inspection, the handful of regular climate crusaders in here live and work in virtual obscurity in terms of human social contact......who can forget what happened to Jack Nicholson in "The Shining". It certainly explains how one can hold onto this fantasy stuff for a long, long time.

Eight years ago when I started in this forum, I heard every day about how cheap solar energy was becoming. So 20 years of it getting "cheaper than fossil fuels" has netted us exactly what? Solar providing the US with just a smidge over 1% of our electricity, that's what!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Who's not winning?

 

[bripat9643]

A highlight of the report is just-released Department of Energy data showing that consumers in the states that use the most wind energy have fared much better than consumers in states that use less wind energy. Consumers in the top wind energy-producing states have seen their electricity prices actually decrease by 0.37 percent over the last 5 years, while all other states have seen their electricity prices increase by 7.79 percent over that time period. The following chart summarizes how consumers have fared in states that produce more than 7 percent of their electricity from wind (Texas, Wyoming, Oregon, Oklahoma, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa) relative to other states.

Electricity Price Changes, 2008 – 2013

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“During last month’s cold snaps, we saw very high wind energy output play a critical role in protecting consumers across the country from skyrocketing energy prices. This study confirms that wind energy is providing that benefit every day,” said Michael Goggin, Senior Electric Industry Analyst at the American Wind Energy Association.

New evidence that wind energy reduces electric bills for consumers

Well now Markle, you are a true 'Conservative', you just have to lie about everything. Wind and solar are both declining in price per kw produced. That is why in this nation we are building very few new coal plants. And we are installing solar and wind by the gigawatt. Definitely a good thing.

The price of fossil fuel energy has been going up because Obama has been forcing it up. Meanwhile massive subsidies have been artificially lowering the price of wind energy, and they aren't counting the cost of the 100% backup from fossil fuels or nuclear required.

 

[bripat9643]

Fusion will be the energy of the future, possibly with Thorium nuclear power plants to fill the gap. Wind and solar are a joke. They will always need a 100% backup from a reliable source of power.

I really do not believe that greenies 100% backup is necessary for all their wild schemes.

Germany and the UK learned otherwise.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wind power h

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

If wind had not ever produced any energy you'd be correct, but it has, and your wrong.

Yeah it works so well in Europe. You really need to research.

Germany went all in on wind and now has to burn more coal to take up the slack

Your saying wind DOES produce energy?

At 25% it's rated capacity.

I never said wind mills do not produce electricity.

Wind is an intermittent power source that does not produce the reliable power we need.

Tell me One Percenter uber rich on the internet if you're really as savvy as you say what would you invest in

1) an intermittent power generation source that runs at 25% rated capacity and only has a 20 year life span
2) A power generation plant that runs at 90+% capacity 24/7/365 and has a life span of greater than 60 years?

 

[Weatherman2020]

A highlight of the report is just-released Department of Energy data showing that consumers in the states that use the most wind energy have fared much better than consumers in states that use less wind energy. Consumers in the top wind energy-producing states have seen their electricity prices actually decrease by 0.37 percent over the last 5 years, while all other states have seen their electricity prices increase by 7.79 percent over that time period. The following chart summarizes how consumers have fared in states that produce more than 7 percent of their electricity from wind (Texas, Wyoming, Oregon, Oklahoma, Idaho, Colorado, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa) relative to other states.

Electricity Price Changes, 2008 – 2013

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“During last month’s cold snaps, we saw very high wind energy output play a critical role in protecting consumers across the country from skyrocketing energy prices. This study confirms that wind energy is providing that benefit every day,” said Michael Goggin, Senior Electric Industry Analyst at the American Wind Energy Association.

New evidence that wind energy reduces electric bills for consumers

Well now Markle, you are a true 'Conservative', you just have to lie about everything. Wind and solar are both declining in price per kw produced. That is why in this nation we are building very few new coal plants. And we are installing solar and wind by the gigawatt. Definitely a good thing.

Your link:
About AWEA
About the American Wind Energy Association
The American Wind Energy Association (AWEA) is the national trade association for the U.S. wind industry. With thousands of wind industry members and wind policy advocates, AWEA promotes wind energy as a clean source of electricity for American consumers.

Using the American Wind Energy Association to post propaganda articles only validates you have nothing to support your claim.

 

[Old Rocks]

https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine...nergy-costs-wind-energy-costs-LCOE-Lazard.png

As usual, the 'Consertives' are lying through their teeth. There are the real comparisons. Solar and wind, unsubsidized, beat the heavily subsidized gas and coal plants.

 

[Weatherman2020]

https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine...nergy-costs-wind-energy-costs-LCOE-Lazard.png

As usual, the 'Consertives' are lying through their teeth. There are the real comparisons. Solar and wind, unsubsidized, beat the heavily subsidized gas and coal plants.

"CleanTechnica is the #1 cleantech-focused website in the US and the world."

In other news today, Pravda reports that Putin is the best leader in the history of the world.

 

[Old Rocks]

And, also in Oklahoma, American Electric Power ended up tripling the amount of wind power it had originally sought after seeing how low the bids came in last year.

“Wind was on sale — it was a Blue Light Special,” said Jay Godfrey, managing director of renewable energy for the company. He noted that Oklahoma, unlike many states, did not require utilities to buy power from renewable sources.

“We were doing it because it made sense for our ratepayers,” he said.

According to a study by the investment banking firm Lazard, the cost of utility-scale solar energy is as low as 5.6 cents a kilowatt-hour, and wind is as low as 1.4 cents. In comparison, natural gas comes at 6.1 cents a kilowatt-hour on the low end and coal at 6.6 cents. Without subsidies, the firm’s analysis shows, solar costs about 7.2 cents a kilowatt-hour at the low end, with wind at 3.7 cents.

“It is really quite notable, when compared to where we were just five years ago, to see the decline in the cost of these technologies,” said Jonathan Mir, a managing director at Lazard, which has been comparing the economics of power generation technologies since 2008.

Solar and Wind Energy Start to Win on Price vs. Conventional Fuels

Now this was published three years ago, and solar prices have come down significantly since then, put the price of solar produced power below that of coal and gas. Without the externalities of poisonous pollution. Without the cost of drilling, mining, pipelines and rail lines. Sorry boys, time to leave the 20th century, and join the 21st century, at least for those of you 'Conservatives' still stuck in the 18th century. You are simply hopeless cases. LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

Where clean energy jobs are growing the fastes

As the federal government changes policies to prop up the coal industry at the expense of renewable energy, it's facing increasing headwinds from market forces.

Recently released data from the Bureau of Labor statistics shows that jobs in solar and wind are projected to grow fastest over the coming decade. Employment for solar installers and wind turbine technicians is expected to roughly double, figures show.

SOURCE: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS
More surprising is where those jobs--and markets--are focused. Disproportionately, they are in red states, including those that voted for Donald Trump in last year's presidential election. Even as the Trump administration moves to dismantle incentives that were previously given to clean-energy projects, states in the Midwest and the South are moving ahead with large-scale clean-energy projects.

Of the 10 states where solar jobs grew fastest between 2015 and 2016, eight voted for Mr. Trump in the 2016 election, according to figures from the Solar Foundation, which tracks the industry. In the three top states -- Oklahoma, Nebraska and Alaska -- the number of people working in solar grew by 100 percent from 2015 to 2016.

"Solar has become a clean, inexpensive source of electricity. Especially on the utilities side, it's competitive with gas and coal," said Colin Smith, a solar analyst at GTM Research.

Where clean energy jobs are growing the fastest

LOL Dumb little cocksuck just cannot face reality.

 

[skookerasbil]

https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine...nergy-costs-wind-energy-costs-LCOE-Lazard.png

As usual, the 'Consertives' are lying through their teeth. There are the real comparisons. Solar and wind, unsubsidized, beat the heavily subsidized gas and coal plants.

Well gee........then we should be saying goodbye to all fossil fuels in about 10 years then!!!

But ummmm.........right in your own graphic what do we see? Many, many what if's.........the operative term being "under some scenario's.........." ( yep.....right up there in the blue abstract ). A lot of "ie's" and "eg's".

Call me a glass half empty guy but the graph reads like somebody trying to make a case in that "Shark Tank" show!!

 

[skookerasbil]

In todays REALCLEARENERGY >>>


Don’t Overlook Coal's Continued Importance
Matthew Kandrach
October 27, 2017

Contrary to popular opinion, coal is still critically important to meeting our nation’s energy needs. Coal is America’s number one source of electricity, accounting for 32 percent of electricity production, and it generates more than half of the power in states with heavy industries like Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, Colorado and Utah.

Coal is also the leading supplier of electricity globally. Nothing else can match it for abundance, reliability and cost.

http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2017/10/27/dont_overlook_coals_continued_importance_110253.html



What can I say? I prefer to navigate life in the realm of real at all times!!

 

[mamooth]

In the past 1.5 years, construction has started on precisely 4 new nuclear plants worldwide. That's nothing.

Why are you lying?

So, did you lie about me deliberately on the orders of your cult, or did you lie because you're so goddamn stupid? Those are the only two options I see, so you'll have to tell us which one it was.

I said construction _starts_, dumbass, not plants under construction.

If you still can't grasp such a simple concept, find a grownup to explain it to you. Once they stop laughing at you, of course.

Again, my point, that nuclear is going nowhere, as shown by new construction starts. And that you Trump cultists are all weeping uncontrollably again because the real world keeps demonstrating your cult beliefs are remarkably stupid.