2017 Wildfires

[waltky]

Wildfires strike Portugal & Spain...

Portugal and Spain wildfires: Dozens dead and injured
Mon, 16 Oct 2017 - At least 31 people are dead in Portugal and three in Spain as dozens of wildfires spread.

A spate of wildfires in central and north Portugal which started at the weekend has killed at least 31 people, civil defence authorities say. Dozens of the 145 fires still raging are considered serious, a spokeswoman said. To the north, fires which broke out across the border in Spain's Galicia region claimed at least three lives. Thousands of firefighters are battling the flames, which erupted after a hot dry summer. Conditions were worsened by Hurricane Ophelia, as it approached Europe's western coast, bringing strong winds to fan and spread the flames. More than 50 people have also been injured in Portugal; 15 are reported to be in a serious condition. Local media say several people are still missing there, including a month-old baby.

The latest fires in Portugal come just four months after the deadliest wildfire in its history​

In Spain, two of the victims were found in a burned-out car by the side of the road. Rain is forecast for the affected regions late on Monday. A state of emergency has been declared in Portugal north of the Tagus river - about half of the country's land area. More than 6,000 firefighters in 1,800 vehicles were deployed by early Monday morning. As a result of the fires, at least a dozen roads were closed, as well as schools in some places. The Portuguese deaths were in the Coimbra, Guarda, Castelo Branca and Viseu areas. "We went through absolute hell. It was horrible. There was fire everywhere," a resident of Penacova, near Coimbra, was quoted as telling Portuguese RTP radio and TV.

Map of fires in portugal and spain​

Fabio Ventura, who lives in Marinha Grande, in Leria district, told the BBC that some of his friends in villages in the nearby forest had lost their homes. "Currently, we don't have water in our homes because the pipes were damaged by the fire. We are avoiding taking showers to save water. The mobile network is going down several times and there is a huge cloud of smoke and ashes above my city. "Schools were closed, public services are closed, some roads are also closed. I have friends that lost their homes, but everyone is OK in my area."Spain's Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy travelled to the Pontevedra area of Galicia and met emergency workers on Monday afternoon. "What we are dealing with here is something that is not caused by accident. It has been provoked," Mr Rajoy said. "We are here in Pazos de Borden where there has been a big fire which began at 01:30 (22:00 GMT) in the morning at five different points. So as you can see it's impossible for this to be triggered under natural circumstances."

Some 30 "major" fires were reported to still be raging in Portugal on Monday​

Galician leader Alberto Nunez Feijoo has claimed the fires were deliberately set by arsonists, in what he called "terrorist acts". Earlier, Spain's Interior Minister Juan Ignacio Zoido said several people had already been identified in connection with the fires, and appealed for anyone with further information to share it with the national protection service. The wildfires follow a massive forest blaze in Portugal in June which killed 64 people and injured more than 130. Firefighters tackling that blaze also alleged it had been started by a "criminal hand". But in the aftermath, questions were raised about the speed of the response and the readiness to tackle such a fire. It also emerged that the country's rescue network, a public-private partnership, failed to connect several emergency calls to firefighters.

Dozens die in Portugal and Spain fires

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aging wildfires - in pictures
Mon, 16 Oct 2017 - Images of wildfires raging in Portugal and Spain that have left more than 30 people dead.

Wildfires sprang up in central and northern Portugal over the weekend, killing and injuring dozens of people.​

Parts of northern Spain were also affected by the fires.​

Residents did what they could to try and protect their property as the flames drew nearer.​

While inside others attacked by the fires, nothing was left to be salvaged.​

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[JoeMoma]

 

[tigerred59]

Folks lets all face facts...Donald Trump is just pure bad luck...worst hurricanes in US history, worst fires in California history, worst president in US history, I mean the guy is just bad luck all around!!

 

[gipper]

Folks lets all face facts...Donald Trump is just pure bad luck...worst hurricanes in US history, worst fires in California history, worst president in US history, I mean the guy is just bad luck all around!!

Can't be as bad as Obama...can he?

 

[tigerred59]

Folks lets all face facts...Donald Trump is just pure bad luck...worst hurricanes in US history, worst fires in California history, worst president in US history, I mean the guy is just bad luck all around!!

Can't be as bad as Obama...can he?

Now if you believe that shit, than I guess you believe a 70 year old white man, still has blonde hair and don't need glasses

 

[waltky]

Gonna take a long time for California to recover from wildfires...

N. California Wildfire Recovery May Take Years, Officials Say
28 Oct.`17 - Sonoma County officials said Saturday that it would take at least months and most likely years to fully recover from devastating wildfires that ripped through Northern California this month, destroying at least 8,900 structures and killing 42 people.

'We don't control these things, and it makes you realize how small you are in the world when something like this happens,' Sheriff Rob Giordano said during a memorial ceremony honoring those who died. 'I don't think we understand the level at which it is going to impact lives, and the community will be different.' The memorial service came nearly three weeks after the fires erupted October 8. Overall, they forced about 100,000 people to evacuate. U.S. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and five members of Congress attended the service in Santa Rosa, one of the hardest-hit cities, as part of a day of touring the devastated areas and meeting with elected officials.

'I can't think of anything that surpasses the opportunity to be with all of you today,' Pelosi said before presenting a flag that flew over the U.S. Capitol to commemorate the fire victims. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., left, gestures while speaking beside Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., and Naomi Fuchs, right, CEO of Santa Rosa Community Health, during a tour of the wildfire-affected Vista campus in Santa Rosa, Calif., Oct. 28, 2017. Pelosi was joined by U.S. Representative Mike Thompson, who represents the city of Santa Rosa, and Representatives Jared Huffman, Anna Eshoo, Zoe Lofgren and Mark DeSaulnier.

Red tape

The group toured a destroyed health center and met with county and federal officials to ask how Congress could help. Local officials urged them to cut red tape that makes it harder to get temporary housing and other needed resources for people who lost their homes. Officials have estimated that losses will top $1 billion, but they haven't provided a hard number. Cleanup could last into early 2018, preventing many homeowners from rebuilding until then, state officials said this week.

The wildfires rank as the deadliest series of fires in California history. President Donald Trump approved Governor Jerry Brown's requests for federal disaster relief. California's Senators Dianne Feinstein and Kamala Harris are backing legislation to get federal money out the door quicker to help with firefighting. Harris, Feinstein and Brown visited the fire zone two weeks ago.

N California Wildfire Recovery May Take Years Officials Say

 

[Old Rocks]

There were major fires in the other Western States, also.

Wildfires ravaging the Western U.S. as smoke sprawls across the nation

 

[waltky]

Callin' inna Marines to fight Calif. wildfires...

Navy Deploys Firefighting Helicopters Near Pendleton
9 Dec 2017 | Across California, active-duty, reserve and National Guard commanders began mobilizing military might to support firefighters battling blazes. At Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, commanders from Marine Light Attack Helicopter Training Squadron 303, the "Stingers" of Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 267 and the "Heavy Haulers" of Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 462 attended a planning session with Navy officials to coordinate firefighting efforts.

The Navy is deploying two firefighting helicopters equipped with special buckets for dumping water on the blazes near Camp Pendleton. The North Island-based MH-60S Seahawk helicopters will come from the "Merlins" of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 3 and the "Blackjacks" of Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 21 and team up with California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection units. "Navy HSC squadrons regularly train for this mission and are prepared to conduct firefighting missions at the Navy's Southern California offshore training ranges, and they conduct semi-annual joint training with Cal Fire to ensure interoperability and an immediate response capability in support of local authorities for emergency events," Navy spokesman Brian O'Rourke said by email. The Marines will chip in two UH-1Y Venoms to directly support ground crews battling the Lilac Fire, with two CH-53E Super Stallions on standby. The Venom can dump up to 320 gallons of water on a blaze and the Super Stallion carries a 900-gallon bucket. Marine spokeswoman Capt. Morgan Frazer told the San Diego Union-Tribune in an email that the level of aerial firefighting support will depend on weather forecasts analyzing high-wind conditions throughout the weekend.

In October, Venoms dipped their buckets in Lake O'Neil and then doused fires sweeping across northern Camp Pendleton. On Thursday, multiple crews from the Camp Pendleton Fire Department began attacking the Bonsall blaze burning east of the base. Marine commanders issued no evacuation orders to base residents but they opened the military installation to nearby community members evacuating their horses from the fires. Marine Corps Community Services' Stepp Stables continues to take in horses in need of a safe haven. As wildfires began to sweep Ventura County, the California Army National Guard activated the 670th Military Police Co. of National City, but the unit had yet to receive a specific request to support operations in San Diego County, according to Guard spokesman Capt. Will Martin in Sacramento. Martin reported Friday that nearly 1,350 California Army and Air National Guard personnel are now battling six wildfires that have charred more than 137,000 acres.They're providing fire crews with everything from logistical support to an MQ-9 Reaper for drone aerial reconnaissance, he said. Wildfires now threaten about 20,000 homes and more than 195,000 residents are under evacuation orders, according to the Pentagon's National Guard Bureau.

A UH-1Y Venom takes off on Dec. 8 with a full water bucket from Lake O'Neal on board Camp Pendleton, Calif.​

At the 146th Airlift Wing in Port Hueneme, Ventura County, California Air National Guard loaded the Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System into a a pair of C-130J Super Hercules aircraft, converting the lumbering plane into an overhead firetruck. The five pressurized tanks can spit 2,700 gallons of fire-retardant in five seconds, carving a fire line that's 60 feet wide and a quarter-mile long through a blaze, according to the system's manufacturer. At Moffett Air National Guard Base in Santa Clara County, officials announced late Thursday that they were prepping the 129th Rescue Wing for emergency operations in Southern California. The initial deployment will send about 25 airmen, including experienced Security Forces Squadron members, along with logistics support troops and an MC-130P Combat Shadow aircraft, to Los Alamitos to support rescuers searching for residents trapped by the Thomas Fire and other emerging blazes. "With the aggressive wildfires spreading in Southern California, I have nothing but confidence in our readiness and our ability to stay focused on the tasks at hand like we've done so many times before across the country and around the world," said Col. Taft O. Aujero, the 129th Rescue Wing commander, by email. "The women and men of the 129th Rescue Wing are nothing short of extraordinary, and I am blown away at their ability to answer the distress call at a moment's notice."

Over the summer, the 129th Rescue Wing saved scores of Texans trapped by floodwaters of Hurricane Harvey and later deployed to Florida to support recovery operations after Hurricane Irma. To aid displaced troops, military retirees and their families in evacuated areas, the Virginia-based Defense Health Agency also moved to enact emergency prescription refill procedures. The temporary rules will allow more than 300,000 beneficiaries in San Diego and Santa Barbara counties to obtain prescribed medication without a referral. Affected residents are urged to take their prescription bottles to any pharmacy in the Tricare network. Those residents who have lost vital medical equipment are urged to contact their managed care coordinators immediately for help.

Navy Deploys Firefighting Helicopters Near Pendleton

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Hundreds of California National Guard to Mobilize to Fight Wildfires
8 Dec 2017 | Soldiers and equipment from the California National Guard were being mobilized as wildfires spread rapidly by high winds continue to ravage thousands of acres and burn down homes throughout the southern areas of the state, emergency and Guard officials said Thursday.

The four largest fires in southern California have burned more than 116,000 acres, according to the state Office of Emergency Services. Thousands of residents have been forced to evacuate the flames, which are fueled by wind speeds of more than 30 mph with gusts of up to 60 mph across the region, with the conditions expected to run through Saturday, according to the National Weather Service. "Fierce Santa Ana winds, combined with dry brush and dead trees fueled multiple fires in Ventura and Los Angeles counties the evening of Dec. 4," according to an emergency services statement on Wednesday. "Thousands of acres burned overnight destroying infrastructure, residences, and prompting mass evacuations. In addition, several major freeways shut down, schools closed, and historical landmarks were threatened."

A National Guard air tanker drops fire retardant during the Oakmont Fire on Oct. 15, 2017, near Santa Rosa, California.​

Capt. William Martin, spokesman for the California National Guard, said several hundred Guard soldiers are being mobilized during the next two days to assist in traffic control and other support roles for the roughly 5,000 firefighters battling the blaze. In addition, two C-130 Hercules tanker aircraft, four Black Hawk helicopters, two HEMTT refueling trucks and a MQ-9 Reaper drone already have been deployed, Martin said. C-130 aircraft can be outfitted to drop fire retardant used to extinguish flare ups in difficult to reach areas, according to the U.S. Forest Service.

Modified firefighting versions of the Black Hawk, known as the Firehawk, have already seen use to douse fires and protect structures using water drops on the Skirball Fire near Los Angeles, according to the Los Angeles County Fire Department Air Operations Section. MQ-9 Reapers are an updated version of the famed Predator drone and are designed for strike missions overseas. Martin said the drone is being used for monitoring wildfires and potential flare ups using its sophisticated thermal and night imaging systems, which can detect light and heat far better than the naked eye and from a much higher altitude.

Hundreds of California National Guard to Mobilize to Fight Wildfires

 

[waltky]

A 70-year-old woman died in her car along an evacuation route...

First Fatality In Southern California Wildfires Confirmed
December 9, 2017 • A 70-year-old woman died in her car along an evacuation route.
Medical officials confirmed the first fire-related fatality in Southern California’s most recent spate of wildfires to HuffPost on Saturday.

Virginia Pesola, 70, of Santa Paula was found in a car that had crashed along an evacuation route in Ventura County ― north of Los Angeles ― on Wednesday night, a representative for the county medical examiner’s office said. Her cause of death is listed as blunt force trauma along with terminal smoke inhalation and heat-related injuries. The blaze devouring Ventura County, known as the Thomas Fire, is currently the largest out of several wildfires raging in the region, burning through over 148,000 acres so far and requiring use of 575 fire engines to help contain it.

A home is consumed by fire in Ojai, California​

Evacuation orders were lifted for portions of the area on Saturday, however, as the blaze reached 15 percent containment. More than 530 structures have been destroyed and 118 damaged. High winds and low humidity have sparked at least five other, smaller fires across Southern California this week that have continued to burn into the weekend. Shifting breezes have made it difficult to predict the direction of the blazes, which have produced images of apocalyptic landscapes torn apart by flames.

The Thomas Fire burns near Ojai, California​

Firefighters continue to make progress. The Los Angeles Police Department announced Saturday afternoon that two of the region’s other blazes, the Creek and Skirball fires, were contained at 80 percent and 50 percent, respectively. This has been one of the worst years for California wildfires on record, with more than twice as many acres burned so far in 2017 than in 2016. More than 40 people lost their lives in October during a series of Northern California wildfires that are now the state’s deadliest in its history.

First Fatality In Southern California Wildfires Confirmed | HuffPost

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Firefighters Protect Coastal California Towns as Blaze Rages
December 11, 2017 — Firefighters kept a wall of flames from descending mountains into coastal neighborhoods after a huge and destructive Southern California wildfire exploded in size, becoming the fifth largest in state history.

Tens of thousands remained under evacuation orders Monday as the fire churned west through foothill areas of Carpinteria and Montecito, seaside Santa Barbara County towns about 75 miles (120 kilometers) northwest of Los Angeles. Much of the fire's rapid new growth occurred on the eastern and northern fronts into unoccupied areas of Los Padres National Forest, where the state's fourth largest fire burned a decade ago. The blaze, which had already destroyed more than 750 buildings, gutted six more in Carpinteria on Sunday, officials said. It's just 15 percent contained after charring nearly 360 square miles (930 square kilometers) of dry brush and timber. "We're still anxious. I'm not frightened yet," Carpinteria resident Roberta Lehtinen told KABC-TV. "I don't think it's going to come roaring down unless the winds kick up."

Forecasters predicted that dry winds that fanned several fires across the region for a week would begin to lose their power Monday. Light gusts were pushing onshore, driving the flames back up hillsides and away from communities, Santa Barbara County Fire spokesman Mike Eliason said. But the possibility of "unpredictable" gusts would keep firefighters on edge for days, he said. Santa Ana winds have long contributed to some of the region's most disastrous wildfires. They blow from the inland toward the Pacific Ocean, speeding up as they squeeze through mountain passes and canyons. With the air thick with acrid smoke, even residents of areas not under evacuation orders took the opportunity to leave, fearing another shutdown of U.S. 101, a key coastal highway that was closed intermittently last week. Officials handed out masks to residents who stayed behind in Montecito, the wealthy hillside enclave that's home to celebrities such as Oprah Winfrey, Jeff Bridges and Drew Barrymore.

Firefighters working on structure protection while keeping a close eye on nearby flames atop Shepard Mesa Road in Carpinteria, Calif.​

Smoke shrouded Rob Lowe's home and the actor wore a mask as he livestreamed his family leaving on Sunday. "Praying for the people in my area," he said on Instagram. "Hope everybody's getting out safe like we are, and thanks for the prayers and thoughts. And good luck to the firefighters, we need you!" Talk show host Ellen DeGeneres tweeted that neighbors were helping each other and their animals get to safety. "I'm sending lots of love and gratitude to the fire department and sheriffs. Thank you all," she wrote. Meanwhile, containment increased on other major blazes in Los Angeles, Riverside and San Diego counties. Resources from those fires were diverted to the Santa Barbara foothills to combat the stubborn and enormous fire that started December 4. Fires are not typical in Southern California this time of year but can break out when dry vegetation and too little rain combine with the Santa Ana winds. Though the state emerged this spring from a yearslong drought, hardly any measurable rain has fallen in the region over the past six months. "This is the new normal," Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown warned Saturday after surveying damage from the deadly Ventura fire. Brown and experts said climate change is making wildfires a year-round threat.

High fire risk is expected to last into January. The small mountain town of Ojai experienced hazardous levels of smoke at times, and officials warned of unhealthy air for large swaths of the region. The South Coast Air Quality Management District urged residents to stay indoors if possible and avoid vigorous outdoor activities. Despite the size and number of wildfires burning in the region, there has only been one confirmed death: The death of a 70-year-old woman, who crashed her car on an evacuation route, is attributed to the fire in Santa Paula, a small city where the Thomas Fire began. Most of last week's fires were in places that burned in the past, including one in the ritzy Los Angeles neighborhood of Bel-Air that burned six homes and another in the city's rugged foothills above the community of Sylmar and in Santa Paula.

Firefighters Protect Coastal California Towns as Blaze Rages

 

[Old Rocks]

Three quarters of a million acres, in just one state.

 

[Old Rocks]

The fires began in early summer, and continue to this day. Early estimate of damage in the Houston area, 180 billion dollars. Tens of billions of dollars lost in fires in the West.

 

[ding]

Reason #6 why I don't buy into their pseudo-science bullshit.

The inability to represent the earth's climate with a single temperature.
The inability to accurately estimate a single temperature for the planet for each of the last 2000 years.
The misuse of the greenhouse gas effect to arrive at the erroneous conclusion that atmospheric CO2 drives climate change.
The inability to show how CO2 has effected previous climates throughout the geologic record.
The overestimation of feedback in their climate models.
Blaming global warming for natural events such as heat waves, droughts, blizzards, floods, hurricanes and forest fires.
The overestimation of temperature and sea level in their models.
The overestimation of the impact on life and property of climate change.
The overdramatization of climate change.
The demonization of anyone who dares to challenge the science and findings of climate change.

 

[Old Rocks]

You know, Ding, you are a fucking liar. Houston had a 500 year flood in 2017, a 500 year flood in 2016, and a 1000 year flood in 2017. Those are events that have a forcing behind them that has changed the equation for their occurrence. And that forcing is the warming from the GHGs we have put into the atmosphere.

The Age of Western Wildfires

 

[Old Rocks]

Fires not only in the US at the start of summer, but all over the world.

 

[ding]

You know, Ding, you are a fucking liar....

The Age of Western Wildfires

Reason #10 why I don't buy into their pseudo-science bullshit.

The inability to represent the earth's climate with a single temperature.
The inability to accurately estimate a single temperature for the planet for each of the last 2000 years.
The misuse of the greenhouse gas effect to arrive at the erroneous conclusion that atmospheric CO2 drives climate change.
The inability to show how CO2 has effected previous climates throughout the geologic record.
The overestimation of feedback in their climate models.
Blaming global warming for natural events such as heat waves, droughts, blizzards, floods, hurricanes and forest fires.
The overestimation of temperature and sea level in their models.
The overestimation of the impact on life and property of climate change.
The overdramatization of climate change.
The demonization of anyone who dares to challenge the science and findings of climate change.

 

[Taz]

You know, Ding, you are a fucking liar....

The Age of Western Wildfires

Reason #10 why I don't buy into their pseudo-science bullshit.

The inability to represent the earth's climate with a single temperature.
The inability to accurately estimate a single temperature for the planet for each of the last 2000 years.
The misuse of the greenhouse gas effect to arrive at the erroneous conclusion that atmospheric CO2 drives climate change.
The inability to show how CO2 has effected previous climates throughout the geologic record.
The overestimation of feedback in their climate models.
Blaming global warming for natural events such as heat waves, droughts, blizzards, floods, hurricanes and forest fires.
The overestimation of temperature and sea level in their models.
The overestimation of the impact on life and property of climate change.
The overdramatization of climate change.
The demonization of anyone who dares to challenge the science and findings of climate change.

So you're trying to say that humans aren't impacting climate in any way?

 

[ding]

You know, Ding, you are a fucking liar....

The Age of Western Wildfires

Reason #10 why I don't buy into their pseudo-science bullshit.

The inability to represent the earth's climate with a single temperature.
The inability to accurately estimate a single temperature for the planet for each of the last 2000 years.
The misuse of the greenhouse gas effect to arrive at the erroneous conclusion that atmospheric CO2 drives climate change.
The inability to show how CO2 has effected previous climates throughout the geologic record.
The overestimation of feedback in their climate models.
Blaming global warming for natural events such as heat waves, droughts, blizzards, floods, hurricanes and forest fires.
The overestimation of temperature and sea level in their models.
The overestimation of the impact on life and property of climate change.
The overdramatization of climate change.
The demonization of anyone who dares to challenge the science and findings of climate change.

So you're trying to say that humans aren't impacting climate in any way?

I am saying that if you study the geologic record, you will find that CO2 does not drive climate change. CO2 reinforces climate change.

 

[Taz]

You know, Ding, you are a fucking liar....

The Age of Western Wildfires

Reason #10 why I don't buy into their pseudo-science bullshit.

The inability to represent the earth's climate with a single temperature.
The inability to accurately estimate a single temperature for the planet for each of the last 2000 years.
The misuse of the greenhouse gas effect to arrive at the erroneous conclusion that atmospheric CO2 drives climate change.
The inability to show how CO2 has effected previous climates throughout the geologic record.
The overestimation of feedback in their climate models.
Blaming global warming for natural events such as heat waves, droughts, blizzards, floods, hurricanes and forest fires.
The overestimation of temperature and sea level in their models.
The overestimation of the impact on life and property of climate change.
The overdramatization of climate change.
The demonization of anyone who dares to challenge the science and findings of climate change.

So you're trying to say that humans aren't impacting climate in any way?

I am saying that if you study the geologic record, you will find that CO2 does not drive climate change. CO2 reinforces climate change.

The geologic record never had to contend with what humans are doing today, so the jury is still out on what CO2 might do now.

 

[ding]

You know, Ding, you are a fucking liar....

The Age of Western Wildfires

Reason #10 why I don't buy into their pseudo-science bullshit.

The inability to represent the earth's climate with a single temperature.
The inability to accurately estimate a single temperature for the planet for each of the last 2000 years.
The misuse of the greenhouse gas effect to arrive at the erroneous conclusion that atmospheric CO2 drives climate change.
The inability to show how CO2 has effected previous climates throughout the geologic record.
The overestimation of feedback in their climate models.
Blaming global warming for natural events such as heat waves, droughts, blizzards, floods, hurricanes and forest fires.
The overestimation of temperature and sea level in their models.
The overestimation of the impact on life and property of climate change.
The overdramatization of climate change.
The demonization of anyone who dares to challenge the science and findings of climate change.

So you're trying to say that humans aren't impacting climate in any way?

I am saying that if you study the geologic record, you will find that CO2 does not drive climate change. CO2 reinforces climate change.

The geologic record never had to contend with what humans are doing today, so the jury is still out on what CO2 might do now.

So you are saying that the physical processes somehow changed? That they are somehow different today?

You do realize the calculation for associated temperature from CO2 is just a formula, right?

I can show you the formula they use and no where in it does the rate of change enter into the calculation, bro.

Do you want me to send it to you?

 

[Taz]

You know, Ding, you are a fucking liar....

The Age of Western Wildfires

Reason #10 why I don't buy into their pseudo-science bullshit.

The inability to represent the earth's climate with a single temperature.
The inability to accurately estimate a single temperature for the planet for each of the last 2000 years.
The misuse of the greenhouse gas effect to arrive at the erroneous conclusion that atmospheric CO2 drives climate change.
The inability to show how CO2 has effected previous climates throughout the geologic record.
The overestimation of feedback in their climate models.
Blaming global warming for natural events such as heat waves, droughts, blizzards, floods, hurricanes and forest fires.
The overestimation of temperature and sea level in their models.
The overestimation of the impact on life and property of climate change.
The overdramatization of climate change.
The demonization of anyone who dares to challenge the science and findings of climate change.

So you're trying to say that humans aren't impacting climate in any way?

I am saying that if you study the geologic record, you will find that CO2 does not drive climate change. CO2 reinforces climate change.

The geologic record never had to contend with what humans are doing today, so the jury is still out on what CO2 might do now.

So you are saying that the physical processes somehow changed? That they are somehow different today?

You do realize the calculation for associated temperature from CO2 is just a formula, right?

I can show you the formula they use and no where in it does the rate of change enter into the calculation, bro.

Do you want me to send it to you?

We're talking about 2 different things. Carry on.