‘Green’ Energy Fails Every Test....

[Old Rocks]

Wind power h

Minnesota wind farms are nearing the fail point. Wind generation and the lack of base load power generation capacity to take care of the system, when the wind no longer blows, is nearing the Australian Province failure level... Way to Go Minnesota liberals... The political retards there have doomed the grid and has forbidden outside "dirty" energy. They can not support their power grid efficiently or continuously now... And here comes winter... This is going to end badly even after spending over 15 Billion to put up massive wind farms... And now federal subsidies are gone...

‘Way to go, Greenies’

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

According to ERCOT, 351 billion kilowatt-hours of energy were used in 2016, which is 1.1 percent more than 2015. Nearly half of that came from natural gas, with coal making up 30 percent and wind amounting to 15 percent. If everything were running at 100 percent capacity, in 2016, production capacity shows half of that would be from natural gas. Coal’s generation capacity was 22 percent, while 20 percent was from wind.

With the coal plant closures, numbers from ERCOT and Luminant show coal capacity will drop from 19,798 to 15,968 megawatts in 2018. It’s expected with additional wind resources that may be built in the ERCOT region, wind capacity could potentially be at 21,170 megawatts.

Raina Hornaday, vice president of the Texas Renewable Energy Industries Alliance (TREIA), said wind is steadily being developed across the state, but natural gas is still a key energy supply.

“It’s also the most competitive option and it’s an abundant resource in Texas,” she said. “For the foreseeable future, natural gas is going to be the leader for our electricity generation in Texas.”

She said several factors contribute to the wind power industry’s success in Texas, such as the size of the state and the availability to build transmission lines quickly. With renewable energy growth in wind and solar, Hornaday says people and companies will have more options to choose from and what they seek is the financial component.

Report: Wind could overtake coal in a few years in Texas

Well, damn those ultra-liberal Texans. I guess you need to go down there and straighten them out. LOL

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wind power h

Minnesota wind farms are nearing the fail point. Wind generation and the lack of base load power generation capacity to take care of the system, when the wind no longer blows, is nearing the Australian Province failure level... Way to Go Minnesota liberals... The political retards there have doomed the grid and has forbidden outside "dirty" energy. They can not support their power grid efficiently or continuously now... And here comes winter... This is going to end badly even after spending over 15 Billion to put up massive wind farms... And now federal subsidies are gone...

‘Way to go, Greenies’

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

If wind had not ever produced any energy you'd be correct, but it has, and your wrong.

Yeah it works so well in Europe. You really need to research.

Germany went all in on wind and now has to burn more coal to take up the slack

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wind power h

Minnesota wind farms are nearing the fail point. Wind generation and the lack of base load power generation capacity to take care of the system, when the wind no longer blows, is nearing the Australian Province failure level... Way to Go Minnesota liberals... The political retards there have doomed the grid and has forbidden outside "dirty" energy. They can not support their power grid efficiently or continuously now... And here comes winter... This is going to end badly even after spending over 15 Billion to put up massive wind farms... And now federal subsidies are gone...

‘Way to go, Greenies’

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

According to ERCOT, 351 billion kilowatt-hours of energy were used in 2016, which is 1.1 percent more than 2015. Nearly half of that came from natural gas, with coal making up 30 percent and wind amounting to 15 percent. If everything were running at 100 percent capacity, in 2016, production capacity shows half of that would be from natural gas. Coal’s generation capacity was 22 percent, while 20 percent was from wind.

With the coal plant closures, numbers from ERCOT and Luminant show coal capacity will drop from 19,798 to 15,968 megawatts in 2018. It’s expected with additional wind resources that may be built in the ERCOT region, wind capacity could potentially be at 21,170 megawatts.

Raina Hornaday, vice president of the Texas Renewable Energy Industries Alliance (TREIA), said wind is steadily being developed across the state, but natural gas is still a key energy supply.

“It’s also the most competitive option and it’s an abundant resource in Texas,” she said. “For the foreseeable future, natural gas is going to be the leader for our electricity generation in Texas.”

She said several factors contribute to the wind power industry’s success in Texas, such as the size of the state and the availability to build transmission lines quickly. With renewable energy growth in wind and solar, Hornaday says people and companies will have more options to choose from and what they seek is the financial component.

Report: Wind could overtake coal in a few years in Texas

Well, damn those ultra-liberal Texans. I guess you need to go down there and straighten them out. LOL

If it works so well and is sooooo cheap why did Germany build new coal plants to take up the slack and why are electricity prices in Europe higher than ever?

 

[Windparadox]

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I'm a major backer if solar and wind power. As the price for such instruments goes down and the technology improves, so will the payback will increase. It's in it's infant state right now

 

[Old Rocks]

Wind power h

Minnesota wind farms are nearing the fail point. Wind generation and the lack of base load power generation capacity to take care of the system, when the wind no longer blows, is nearing the Australian Province failure level... Way to Go Minnesota liberals... The political retards there have doomed the grid and has forbidden outside "dirty" energy. They can not support their power grid efficiently or continuously now... And here comes winter... This is going to end badly even after spending over 15 Billion to put up massive wind farms... And now federal subsidies are gone...

‘Way to go, Greenies’

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

If wind had not ever produced any energy you'd be correct, but it has, and your wrong.

Yeah it works so well in Europe. You really need to research.

Germany went all in on wind and now has to burn more coal to take up the slack

Offshore wind power: Expansion forges steadily ahead federal government inhibiting further momentum

New offshore wind turbines with a total capacity of 818 megawatts went online in 2016. The industry views this expansion as positive and expects that, combined with optimised turbine technology and operating concepts, this will also lead to cost reduction in the forthcoming tendering processes in Germany. This momentum will however be upset by the reduced expansion targets after 2020 that are part of the 2017 Renewable Energy Sources Act (EEG). These reduced expansion targets will also lead to a number of missed opportunities for the industry.

Berlin, 19 January 2017 – Last year, 156 new offshore wind turbines with an overall capacity of 818 megawatts fed their power into the German grid for the first time. This brought the total number of turbines on grid by the end of 2016 to 947, with a total capacity of 4,108 megawatts. In all positive figures according to the Working Group for Offshore Wind Energy (AGOW), the German Wind Energy Association (BWE), the Offshore Wind Energy Foundation, VDMA Power Systems and the WAB Wind Energy Agency. The amount of power generated by offshore wind turbines was around 13 terawatt-hours in 2016. This represents an increase of almost 57 per cent compared to the 8.3 terawatt-hours generated in 2015. This consolidates offshore wind power’s position in the German power mix, supplying around 3 million households with electricity. This roughly corresponds to the combined number of households in Berlin and the state of Brandenburg. Another 21 turbines with a total capacity of 123 megawatts were fully erected in the previous year, and are currently being connected to the grid. Offshore expansion will continue with about 1,400 megawatts in 2017 followed by a steady average of around 1,000 megawatts a year until 2019.

Cost reduction is also coming to Germany

The latest tendering results in Denmark and the Netherlands have shown that the greater the project volumes the more significant the cost reductions. This is also to be expected here in Germany, even if the conditions in the aforementioned countries are not exactly the same as in Germany: wind farm lifetimes and output volumes vary, and this has an appropriate effect on the calculation of the project costs. Unlike in Germany, operators in Denmark and the Netherlands do not have to bear the costs for the transformer platforms. The projects there are also significantly nearer the coast, leading to additional cost reductions.

Offshore Wind Power in Germany: Expansion Figures for 2016 | GWEC

Wind power continues to expand in Germany.

 

[Old Rocks]

Wind power h

Minnesota wind farms are nearing the fail point. Wind generation and the lack of base load power generation capacity to take care of the system, when the wind no longer blows, is nearing the Australian Province failure level... Way to Go Minnesota liberals... The political retards there have doomed the grid and has forbidden outside "dirty" energy. They can not support their power grid efficiently or continuously now... And here comes winter... This is going to end badly even after spending over 15 Billion to put up massive wind farms... And now federal subsidies are gone...

‘Way to go, Greenies’

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

According to ERCOT, 351 billion kilowatt-hours of energy were used in 2016, which is 1.1 percent more than 2015. Nearly half of that came from natural gas, with coal making up 30 percent and wind amounting to 15 percent. If everything were running at 100 percent capacity, in 2016, production capacity shows half of that would be from natural gas. Coal’s generation capacity was 22 percent, while 20 percent was from wind.

With the coal plant closures, numbers from ERCOT and Luminant show coal capacity will drop from 19,798 to 15,968 megawatts in 2018. It’s expected with additional wind resources that may be built in the ERCOT region, wind capacity could potentially be at 21,170 megawatts.

Raina Hornaday, vice president of the Texas Renewable Energy Industries Alliance (TREIA), said wind is steadily being developed across the state, but natural gas is still a key energy supply.

“It’s also the most competitive option and it’s an abundant resource in Texas,” she said. “For the foreseeable future, natural gas is going to be the leader for our electricity generation in Texas.”

She said several factors contribute to the wind power industry’s success in Texas, such as the size of the state and the availability to build transmission lines quickly. With renewable energy growth in wind and solar, Hornaday says people and companies will have more options to choose from and what they seek is the financial component.

Report: Wind could overtake coal in a few years in Texas

Well, damn those ultra-liberal Texans. I guess you need to go down there and straighten them out. LOL

If it works so well and is sooooo cheap why did Germany build new coal plants to take up the slack and why are electricity prices in Europe higher than ever?

Maybe because they decided they to use those to make up for the nuke plants they shut down. I don't think there is another nation with as technologically savvy population as Germany, and they decided that the nukes were just too dangerous.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wind power h

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

If wind had not ever produced any energy you'd be correct, but it has, and your wrong.

Yeah it works so well in Europe. You really need to research.

Germany went all in on wind and now has to burn more coal to take up the slack

Offshore wind power: Expansion forges steadily ahead federal government inhibiting further momentum

New offshore wind turbines with a total capacity of 818 megawatts went online in 2016. The industry views this expansion as positive and expects that, combined with optimised turbine technology and operating concepts, this will also lead to cost reduction in the forthcoming tendering processes in Germany. This momentum will however be upset by the reduced expansion targets after 2020 that are part of the 2017 Renewable Energy Sources Act (EEG). These reduced expansion targets will also lead to a number of missed opportunities for the industry.

Berlin, 19 January 2017 – Last year, 156 new offshore wind turbines with an overall capacity of 818 megawatts fed their power into the German grid for the first time. This brought the total number of turbines on grid by the end of 2016 to 947, with a total capacity of 4,108 megawatts. In all positive figures according to the Working Group for Offshore Wind Energy (AGOW), the German Wind Energy Association (BWE), the Offshore Wind Energy Foundation, VDMA Power Systems and the WAB Wind Energy Agency. The amount of power generated by offshore wind turbines was around 13 terawatt-hours in 2016. This represents an increase of almost 57 per cent compared to the 8.3 terawatt-hours generated in 2015. This consolidates offshore wind power’s position in the German power mix, supplying around 3 million households with electricity. This roughly corresponds to the combined number of households in Berlin and the state of Brandenburg. Another 21 turbines with a total capacity of 123 megawatts were fully erected in the previous year, and are currently being connected to the grid. Offshore expansion will continue with about 1,400 megawatts in 2017 followed by a steady average of around 1,000 megawatts a year until 2019.

Cost reduction is also coming to Germany

The latest tendering results in Denmark and the Netherlands have shown that the greater the project volumes the more significant the cost reductions. This is also to be expected here in Germany, even if the conditions in the aforementioned countries are not exactly the same as in Germany: wind farm lifetimes and output volumes vary, and this has an appropriate effect on the calculation of the project costs. Unlike in Germany, operators in Denmark and the Netherlands do not have to bear the costs for the transformer platforms. The projects there are also significantly nearer the coast, leading to additional cost reductions.

Offshore Wind Power in Germany: Expansion Figures for 2016 | GWEC

Wind power continues to expand in Germany.

And none of that refutes the fact that Germany had to start burning coal does it?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Wind power h

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

According to ERCOT, 351 billion kilowatt-hours of energy were used in 2016, which is 1.1 percent more than 2015. Nearly half of that came from natural gas, with coal making up 30 percent and wind amounting to 15 percent. If everything were running at 100 percent capacity, in 2016, production capacity shows half of that would be from natural gas. Coal’s generation capacity was 22 percent, while 20 percent was from wind.

With the coal plant closures, numbers from ERCOT and Luminant show coal capacity will drop from 19,798 to 15,968 megawatts in 2018. It’s expected with additional wind resources that may be built in the ERCOT region, wind capacity could potentially be at 21,170 megawatts.

Raina Hornaday, vice president of the Texas Renewable Energy Industries Alliance (TREIA), said wind is steadily being developed across the state, but natural gas is still a key energy supply.

“It’s also the most competitive option and it’s an abundant resource in Texas,” she said. “For the foreseeable future, natural gas is going to be the leader for our electricity generation in Texas.”

She said several factors contribute to the wind power industry’s success in Texas, such as the size of the state and the availability to build transmission lines quickly. With renewable energy growth in wind and solar, Hornaday says people and companies will have more options to choose from and what they seek is the financial component.

Report: Wind could overtake coal in a few years in Texas

Well, damn those ultra-liberal Texans. I guess you need to go down there and straighten them out. LOL

If it works so well and is sooooo cheap why did Germany build new coal plants to take up the slack and why are electricity prices in Europe higher than ever?

Maybe because they decided they to use those to make up for the nuke plants they shut down. I don't think there is another nation with as technologically savvy population as Germany, and they decided that the nukes were just too dangerous.

No it was thought that wind would replace the nuclear plants they foolishly shut down but they were wrong weren't they?

 

[SSDD]

Wind and solar are going to be the energy of the future. Backed up with grid scale batteries, they will be 24/7, and deliver energy at a cheaper price per kw/hr. They are both scalable to fit any situation, and require no infrastructure other than the grid.

Laughable rocks...only a cretin would believe such a thing...nations that have jumped into wind and solar with both feet are paying dearly for their mistake now...the technology is already experiencing its first death throes...may it die a quick death.. while there are still some raptors, and bats left....rather than the lingering agony that is the death of the AGW scam.

 

[OnePercenter]

Wind power h

Minnesota wind farms are nearing the fail point. Wind generation and the lack of base load power generation capacity to take care of the system, when the wind no longer blows, is nearing the Australian Province failure level... Way to Go Minnesota liberals... The political retards there have doomed the grid and has forbidden outside "dirty" energy. They can not support their power grid efficiently or continuously now... And here comes winter... This is going to end badly even after spending over 15 Billion to put up massive wind farms... And now federal subsidies are gone...

‘Way to go, Greenies’

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

If wind had not ever produced any energy you'd be correct, but it has, and your wrong.

Yeah it works so well in Europe. You really need to research.

Germany went all in on wind and now has to burn more coal to take up the slack

Your saying wind DOES produce energy?

 

[skookerasbil]

Green energy is a joke........after 25 years, still a fringe source of energy and will be for decades to come. Exceedingly well documented in THIS link >> More Proof the skeptics are WINNING!! ........billions of links within. Irrefutable evidence.........oh......and anybody sourcing out this narrative that we are on the cusp of a green world is a bubble dweller or a k00k or both.

 

[westwall]

Wind power h

Wow. That report is pretty damning.

Ah, found your peer level, and the type of 'journal' that you get your science from, Mr. Westwall? When the present price subsidies are gone, there will still be a boom in windmills. For, even without the subsidies, they produce wind at a cheaper rate per kw/hr than does coal or natural gas. In the meantime the treasonous fat senile old orange clown is considering outright grants to the coal companies, in addition to the subsidies they already get, to keep them going. LOL

Wind power has failed everywhere it has been tried yet you still refuse to see that.

If wind had not ever produced any energy you'd be correct, but it has, and your wrong.

Yeah it works so well in Europe. You really need to research.

Germany went all in on wind and now has to burn more coal to take up the slack

Your saying wind DOES produce energy?

Of course it does. Just not how much they claim, and it is still dirty thanks to tall the toxic chemicals used in the manufacture of the windmills, and the fact that the damned things kill endangered raptors, so as an energy source it sucks....but it does produce energy.

 

[skookerasbil]

So.....let me pose the question again that I posed 4 years ago in here and that has yet to be answered............by one single person in this forum..........and that ? is...........

Where is the consensus science mattering in the real world??

 

[Weatherman2020]

The only reliable green energy is nuclear, hydro and geothermal.

 

[Markle]

Wind and solar are going to be the energy of the future. Backed up with grid scale batteries, they will be 24/7, and deliver energy at a cheaper price per kw/hr. They are both scalable to fit any situation, and require no infrastructure other than the grid.

WOW!

For how many decades have we heard THAT IDENTICAL RANT?

What does requires no infrastructure...other than the infrastructure....?

 

[Markle]

In the past 1.5 years, construction has started on precisely 4 new nuclear plants worldwide. That's nothing.

Why are you lying?

As of May 2017, the People's Republic of China has 37 nuclear reactors operating with a capacity of 32.4 GW and 20 under construction with a capacity of 20.5 GW.[1][2][3] Additional reactors are planned, providing 58 GW of capacity by 2020.

Nuclear power in China - Wikipedia

 

[bripat9643]

In a morbid way, I want the grid there to fail.. I don't want anyone hurt or to die but this is the only way that the stupidity will be exposed and those pushing it will be thrown out of office.. The green party in Australia is set to be expelled next month during voting... The people are damn mad... I guess this is the kind of failure that needs to happen to get the people who are asleep to wake up..

If only it could be arranged so that only snowflakes freeze to death.

 

[bripat9643]

Minnesota wind farms are nearing the fail point. Wind generation and the lack of base load power generation capacity to take care of the system, when the wind no longer blows, is nearing the Australian Province failure level... Way to Go Minnesota liberals... The political retards there have doomed the grid and has forbidden outside "dirty" energy. They can not support their power grid efficiently or continuously now... And here comes winter... This is going to end badly even after spending over 15 Billion to put up massive wind farms... And now federal subsidies are gone...

‘Way to go, Greenies’

The Cliff's Notes for the OP:

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By the way, looove the irony of the avatar. Nice touch.

No lies to drum up your position? just crying like a baby?

Nice liberal answer...

That's a mirror actually.

It's amusing how you Koch-suckers line up drooling about "will never work" and "dat's stoopid" because your little world of exploitative waste is phasing out. So y'all whine and stomp your feet and hold your breath and post endless diarrheas of how clean energy is EEEEEEBIL (waaaaah) because it doesn't belch pillars of smoke into the air.

It's comical.

"Exploitive waste?" How is keeping people warm, preserving their food, and providing light and entertainment a "waste" or "exploitive?"

 

[bripat9643]

Wind and solar are going to be the energy of the future. Backed up with grid scale batteries, they will be 24/7, and deliver energy at a cheaper price per kw/hr. They are both scalable to fit any situation, and require no infrastructure other than the grid.

Fusion will be the energy of the future, possibly with Thorium nuclear power plants to fill the gap. Wind and solar are a joke. They will always need a 100% backup from a reliable source of power.

 

[Markle]

Wind power continues to expand in Germany.

As does the COST!

Green Electricity in Denmark, Germany, costs three times as much as US
It’s a bit costly trying to control the weather:

“Germany has been paying over $26 billion per year for electricity that has a wholesale market value of just $5 billion (see here).”

That’s $21 billion that could have been spent on health or education that was used instead to feed the Green Machine.

A few handy facts to memorize. The cost of electricity per kilowatt-hour:

Denmark, 42c; Germany 40c, and the USA, 12.5c. ( — Forbes)

Wind and solar power supplies 28% of electricity in Germany (is it really that high?) This is what Australia is aiming for?

Green Electricity in Denmark, Germany, costs three times as much as US « JoNova

Specifically, why do you demand that the cost of electricity in the US skyrocket to that of Denmark or Germany? How does that help Americans?