Great News: Law of the Sea Dead!

[SayMyName]

Good news.

 

[Liability]

If the vote counting is right, the Treaty would fail in the Senate today.

But we have seen, in the past, many instances of folks getting their political arms twisted.

The LOSTreaty is a very very bad idea. But I wouldn't count it as dead until the stake is hammered through the heart, the head is removed, the corpse is burned and ground into dust and the ashes are scattered to the four corners of the world and some of it is buried for good measure.

 

[Wry Catcher]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/5570-gop-in-sneak-move-to-pass-u-n-treaty.html

Glad you provided that link, birdie....

From same:

At issue is the U.N. Law of the Sea Treaty, or LOST, which has been in the works since the 1970s, when the Soviet Union and the so-called Non-Aligned Movement tried to use the United Nations to wrest control of the seas from the United States and its allies.


Now, if your point is that there are globalists in both parties....

...yup.

But we both know which party is the wholly owned subsidiary of the Socialist Internationale....don't we?


Tell me, if you don't mind...aren't you pleased that the United States has taken on baby step away from turning it's sovereignty over to the United Nothings?


Next target: R2P!

"birdie"?

Thank you PC for providing an opinionated 'executive' summary for your colleagues on this message board - those of the lesser intellect. Using the RED SCARE is always an effective tool in getting them to 'nonthink' - not that they need help - and thank you for pushing the ignorance keeping them in bliss.

 

[Wry Catcher]

If the vote counting is right, the Treaty would fail in the Senate today.

But we have seen, in the past, many instances of folks getting their political arms twisted.

The LOSTreaty is a very very bad idea. But I wouldn't count it as dead until the stake is hammered through the heart, the head is removed, the corpse is burned and ground into dust and the ashes are scattered to the four corners of the world and some of it is buried for good measure.

Maybe you might explain why you hold the opinion you do. Since it seems your opinion is very strongly held - as evidenced by the number of adjectives and hyperbole employed - such an explanation shouldn't be difficult.

 

[Oddball]

Google is your Friend

 

[CandySlice]

'It was the law of the sea, they said. Civilization ends at the water line. Beyond that we all enter the food chain. And not always at the top.'


Hunter S. Thompson

 

[Liability]

If the vote counting is right, the Treaty would fail in the Senate today.

But we have seen, in the past, many instances of folks getting their political arms twisted.

The LOSTreaty is a very very bad idea. But I wouldn't count it as dead until the stake is hammered through the heart, the head is removed, the corpse is burned and ground into dust and the ashes are scattered to the four corners of the world and some of it is buried for good measure.

Maybe you might explain why you hold the opinion you do. Since it seems your opinion is very strongly held - as evidenced by the number of adjectives and hyperbole employed - such an explanation shouldn't be difficult.

Poor poor Wry.

Are you really so completely befuddled that you don't know by now the myriad of completely valid objections to our ratification of that dopey treaty?

Damn, boy. I understand that you are lazy and ignorant, but hell -- that's going pretty far out into the depths of abysmal ignorance.

The real question is why on EARTH would ANY American support that fucking Treaty as currently written?

I bet you don't know a hundredth part of what it says and what it could do.

Take one example:

Article 82
Payments and contributions with respect to the exploitation
of the continental shelf beyond 200 nautical miles

1. The coastal State shall make payments or contributions in kind in respect of the exploitation of the non-living resources of the continental shelf beyond 200 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.

2. The payments and contributions shall be made annually with respect to all production at a site after the first five years of production at that site. For the sixth year, the rate of payment or contribution shall be 1 per cent of the value or volume of production at the site. The rate shall increase by 1 per cent for each subsequent year until the twelfth year and shall remain at 7 per cent thereafter. Production does not include resources used in connection with exploitation.

3. A developing State which is a net importer of a mineral resource produced from its continental shelf is exempt from making such payments or contributions in respect of that mineral resource.

4. The payments or contributions shall be made through the Authority, which shall distribute them to States Parties to this Convention, on the basis of equitable sharing criteria, taking into account the interests and needs of developing States, particularly the least developed and the land-locked among them.

 

[Liability]

Now, Wry, tell us all what you know about Part XV.

Then 'splain to the class how and why you believe this would be in America's interests.

 

[Liability]

What are the Navigational Provisions of that LOST shit?

How is it needed to get for the United States anything the United States does not already have?

 

[daveman]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/5570-gop-in-sneak-move-to-pass-u-n-treaty.html

Glad you provided that link, birdie....

From same:

At issue is the U.N. Law of the Sea Treaty, or LOST, which has been in the works since the 1970s, when the Soviet Union and the so-called Non-Aligned Movement tried to use the United Nations to wrest control of the seas from the United States and its allies.


Now, if your point is that there are globalists in both parties....

...yup.

But we both know which party is the wholly owned subsidiary of the Socialist Internationale....don't we?


Tell me, if you don't mind...aren't you pleased that the United States has taken on baby step away from turning it's sovereignty over to the United Nothings?


Next target: R2P!

"birdie"?

Thank you PC for providing an opinionated 'executive' summary for your colleagues on this message board - those of the lesser intellect. Using the RED SCARE is always an effective tool in getting them to 'nonthink' - not that they need help - and thank you for pushing the ignorance keeping them in bliss.

My goodness. Somebody implies that Communists are bad, and you get your frilly panties in a wad.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. And I ain't talkin' 'bout PC.

 

[Big Fitz]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

2. The Law of the Sea Treaty, which entered into force in 1994 and has been signed and ratified by 162 countries, establishes international laws governing the maritime rights of countries. The treaty has been signed but not ratified by the U.S., which would require two-thirds approval of the Senate.

3. ...impossible to reach the 67 votes that would be required to ratify the pact, which Sen. John F. Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat and Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, had wanted to bring to a vote later this year.



4. Critics such as Mr. DeMint argue that the U.S. is subjecting its sovereignty to an international body and said the pact would require U.S. businesses to pay royalties for resource exploitation, as well as subject the U.S. to unwieldy environmental regulations as defined in the treaty.

5. Mr. Kerry held three hearings this year on the treaty. The first hearing brought together a rare joint appearance by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, as well as Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who testified in favor of ratifying the treaty."
Law of the Sea Treaty now dead, DeMint says - Washington Times

Note the internationalists named....


What great news for those who oppose global governance, and the loss of United States sovereignty.



Now only have we stemmed the tide....pun intended....but it provided hope that this event, coupled with the impending change in administrations in Washington presages an end to a century of Progressivism on the march.



I believe I can hear Soros crying....

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[RoadVirus]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

Good. Next up, the UN's Gun Grab Treaty.

 

[MuadDib]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

Good. Next up, the UN's Gun Grab Treaty.

Kill it. Kill it with fire.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

Good. Next up, the UN's Gun Grab Treaty.

Wait....how about R2P?



The Heritage Foundation on the Responsibility to Protect articulates one of the most dangerous aspects of the doctrine: “R2P would effectively cede U.S. national sovereignty and decision-making power over key components of national security and foreign policy and subject them to the whims of the international community.”

The International Commission on Intervention and State Sovereignty (ICISS) was formed out of the UN Millennium Summit in September 2000 with a mandate “to promote a comprehensive debate on the relationship between intervention and sovereignty, with a view to fostering global political consensus on how to move from polemics towards action within the international system.”

The ICISS issued a report in December of 2001 titled “The Responsibility to Protect” that encapsulated “the Commissioners’ views on intervention and state sovereignty and their recommendations for practical action.” The document was sent to the UN for debate and approval.
Libya and the Soros Doctrine | FrontPage Magazine

 

[mudwhistle]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

2. The Law of the Sea Treaty, which entered into force in 1994 and has been signed and ratified by 162 countries, establishes international laws governing the maritime rights of countries. The treaty has been signed but not ratified by the U.S., which would require two-thirds approval of the Senate.

3. ...impossible to reach the 67 votes that would be required to ratify the pact, which Sen. John F. Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat and Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, had wanted to bring to a vote later this year.



4. Critics such as Mr. DeMint argue that the U.S. is subjecting its sovereignty to an international body and said the pact would require U.S. businesses to pay royalties for resource exploitation, as well as subject the U.S. to unwieldy environmental regulations as defined in the treaty.

5. Mr. Kerry held three hearings this year on the treaty. The first hearing brought together a rare joint appearance by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, as well as Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who testified in favor of ratifying the treaty."
Law of the Sea Treaty now dead, DeMint says - Washington Times

Note the internationalists named....


What great news for those who oppose global governance, and the loss of United States sovereignty.



Now only have we stemmed the tide....pun intended....but it provided hope that this event, coupled with the impending change in administrations in Washington presages an end to a century of Progressivism on the march.



I believe I can hear Soros crying....

They said the same thing about the health care bill too.

That treaty is still out there and one or two elections could make it a reality.

 

[Big Fitz]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

Good. Next up, the UN's Gun Grab Treaty.

Kill it. Kill it with fire.

Nah.

Nuke it till it glows. Shoot it in the dark.

 

[daveman]

Good. Next up, the UN's Gun Grab Treaty.

Kill it. Kill it with fire.

Nah.

Nuke it till it glows. Shoot it in the dark.

 

[Dr Grump]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

2. The Law of the Sea Treaty, which entered into force in 1994 and has been signed and ratified by 162 countries, establishes international laws governing the maritime rights of countries. The treaty has been signed but not ratified by the U.S., which would require two-thirds approval of the Senate.

3. ...impossible to reach the 67 votes that would be required to ratify the pact, which Sen. John F. Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat and Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, had wanted to bring to a vote later this year.



4. Critics such as Mr. DeMint argue that the U.S. is subjecting its sovereignty to an international body and said the pact would require U.S. businesses to pay royalties for resource exploitation, as well as subject the U.S. to unwieldy environmental regulations as defined in the treaty.

5. Mr. Kerry held three hearings this year on the treaty. The first hearing brought together a rare joint appearance by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, as well as Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who testified in favor of ratifying the treaty."
Law of the Sea Treaty now dead, DeMint says - Washington Times

Note the internationalists named....


What great news for those who oppose global governance, and the loss of United States sovereignty.



Now only have we stemmed the tide....pun intended....but it provided hope that this event, coupled with the impending change in administrations in Washington presages an end to a century of Progressivism on the march.



I believe I can hear Soros crying....

Ah yes, the selfish/isolationist Americans rear their ugly heads...

 

[daveman]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

2. The Law of the Sea Treaty, which entered into force in 1994 and has been signed and ratified by 162 countries, establishes international laws governing the maritime rights of countries. The treaty has been signed but not ratified by the U.S., which would require two-thirds approval of the Senate.

3. ...impossible to reach the 67 votes that would be required to ratify the pact, which Sen. John F. Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat and Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, had wanted to bring to a vote later this year.



4. Critics such as Mr. DeMint argue that the U.S. is subjecting its sovereignty to an international body and said the pact would require U.S. businesses to pay royalties for resource exploitation, as well as subject the U.S. to unwieldy environmental regulations as defined in the treaty.

5. Mr. Kerry held three hearings this year on the treaty. The first hearing brought together a rare joint appearance by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, as well as Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who testified in favor of ratifying the treaty."
Law of the Sea Treaty now dead, DeMint says - Washington Times

Note the internationalists named....


What great news for those who oppose global governance, and the loss of United States sovereignty.



Now only have we stemmed the tide....pun intended....but it provided hope that this event, coupled with the impending change in administrations in Washington presages an end to a century of Progressivism on the march.



I believe I can hear Soros crying....

Ah yes, the selfish/isolationist Americans rear their ugly heads...

Awww, poor widdle foreigner. Doesn't get to get his hands on American money he didn't earn.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. "The Law of the Sea Treaty now has 34 senators opposed and thus will not have enough Senate votes for ratification, a key opponent of the treaty announced Monday.

2. The Law of the Sea Treaty, which entered into force in 1994 and has been signed and ratified by 162 countries, establishes international laws governing the maritime rights of countries. The treaty has been signed but not ratified by the U.S., which would require two-thirds approval of the Senate.

3. ...impossible to reach the 67 votes that would be required to ratify the pact, which Sen. John F. Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat and Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, had wanted to bring to a vote later this year.



4. Critics such as Mr. DeMint argue that the U.S. is subjecting its sovereignty to an international body and said the pact would require U.S. businesses to pay royalties for resource exploitation, as well as subject the U.S. to unwieldy environmental regulations as defined in the treaty.

5. Mr. Kerry held three hearings this year on the treaty. The first hearing brought together a rare joint appearance by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, as well as Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who testified in favor of ratifying the treaty."
Law of the Sea Treaty now dead, DeMint says - Washington Times

Note the internationalists named....


What great news for those who oppose global governance, and the loss of United States sovereignty.



Now only have we stemmed the tide....pun intended....but it provided hope that this event, coupled with the impending change in administrations in Washington presages an end to a century of Progressivism on the march.



I believe I can hear Soros crying....

They said the same thing about the health care bill too.

That treaty is still out there and one or two elections could make it a reality.

Are you hinting.....suggesting....that politicians can't be trusted?????


I believe I've heard something similar from another great mind:


"The common wisdom holds that 'both parties' have to appeal to the extremes during the primary and then move to the center for the general election. To the contrary, both parties run for office as conservatives. Once they have fooled the voters and are safely in office, Republicans sometimes double-cross the voters. Democrats always do."
Coulter, 11-27-03