Graduation Prayer and Legal Precedence

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    As has been noted on here, a federal appeals court has reversed a federal judge's opinion that a young woman named Angela Hildenbrand could not legally pray on the podium during her graduation ceremony.

    Court Lifts Ban On Texas Graduation Prayer : NPR

    On June 6th, Hildenbrand delivered her address and prayer:

    Prayer Steals the Show at Texas Graduation | CitizenLink

    (A video can also be found at the link).

    I disagree, but respect the court's ruling, and I have to admire this young woman for fighting for something she felt was right.

    However, now that this precedent has been set and the legality of the matter is not in dispute, would you accept a Muslim student calling their classmates to prayer at the podium of their graduation?

    If not, how (in your opinion) is it different?

    I started a separate thread on this after noticing that some members of the forum discussing the issue wouldn't answer that simple question.

    Hats off to Alliebaba who did.
     
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    "God, I ask that you please keep each of us safe and well, as we all go our separate ways."

    How can anyone object to a sentiment such as this?
     
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    I think people can object to it for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with the underlying (nice) sentiments.

    However, that is really not the question at hand.
     
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    I’ll take the time to read the ruling and perhaps post later if not considered off topic.

    Otherwise, I’d have no problem with a Muslim praying in the context noted in the OP, provided no Establishment Clause violation occurs. Indeed, it could be argued a Free Exercise Clause violation is present if the state were to attempt to prevent Muslim prayer.
     
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    Since there is no Constitutional basis for any objection, so you concerns must be based on prejudice and bigoty.
     
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    I would think that would certainly be the case now. As I said, legal precedence has been set.
     
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    That still doesn't answer the question.

    I also don't think it's prejudicial or bigoted for an athiest to object to someone leading a prayer at a public graduation ceremony.
     
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    Incorrect on both counts;

    Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe (2000):
    Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

    If student-let prayers at football games are un-Constitutional, then prayers at graduation are as well.

    This issue is yet to be settled.
     
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    It's not Allah.
     
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    Simple solution, don't pray when she is. Next.
     

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