Government run healthcare means less care and denial of life-saving treatment

[Clementine]

It's called rationing of care. Brits who smoke or are overweight will be denied hip or knee replacements. Hey, when it's the government's dime, they get to dictate who gets what. While people should lose weight and not smoke or drink, or do drugs, that doesn't mean they should be told they can't have medical care. Here in the states, the left wants to legalize drugs. How is that better for people than smoking or overeating? Will people soon be denied care for any kind of addiction?

And those who can afford to get treatments after the government says no better not try and access life saving care or they'll get kicked out of the single payer system. Government owns you and your health if they are allowed to take over health care.


"The NHS’ longstanding problems
The NHS has, for decades, endured problems that will remind many of the VA’s waiting list scandal:
NHS doctors routinely conceal from patients information about innovative new therapies that the NHS doesn’t pay for, so as to not “distress, upset or confuse” them.

Terminally ill patients are incorrectly classified as “close to death” so as to allow the withdrawal of expensive life support.

NHS expert guidelines on the management of high cholesterol are intentionally out of date, putting patients at serious risk, in order to save money.

When the government approved an innovative new treatment for elderly blindness, the NHS initially decided to reimburse for the treatment only after patients were already blind in one eye — using the logic that a person blind in one eye can still see, and is therefore not that badly off.

While most NHS patients expect to wait five months for a hip operation or knee surgery, leaving them immobile and disabled in the meantime, the actual waiting times are even worse: 11 months for hips and 12 months for knees. (This compares to a wait of 3 to 4 weeks for such procedures in the United States.)
One in four Britons with cancer is denied treatment with the latest drugs proven to extend life. Those who seek to pay for such drugs on their own are expelled from the NHS system, for making the government look bad, and are forced to pay for the entirety of their own care for the rest of their lives.

Britons diagnosed with cancer or heart attacks are more likely to die, and more quickly, than those of most other developed nations. Britain’s survival rates for these diseases are “little better than [those] of former Communist countries.”

Socialized medicine doesn’t work

Left-wing advocates of the NHS-VA approach argue that rationing isn’t a big deal because in a free-market health care system, health care is “rationed” based on an individual’s ability to pay for it. But that’s balderdash."

British Government Hospitals To Bar Smokers & Overweight Patients From Surgery, Due To Budget Constraints

 

[RodISHI]

No Hep C treatment either but they are probably still allowing Hep C vaccines that will put more of it out there. England's NHS can't afford Big Pharma: They will only pay for a new Hep C treatment if the patient is cured

 

[Clementine]

No Hep C treatment either but they are probably still allowing Hep C vaccines that will put more of it out there. England's NHS can't afford Big Pharma: They will only pay for a new Hep C treatment if the patient is cured

It's designed to reduce the population. The same politicians supporting government run healthcare also want less people on the planet. Killing two birds with one stone.

I have no doubt that libs here in the states are watching what the UK is doing and hoping they can implement the same rules here. If we start denying the obese, the smokers, the drinkers and drug users from getting medical treatment for certain things and refusing new treatments and expensive treatments to everyone, the population could be cut in half. Thing is, right now we can choose what care to get because we are still in charge of our own care. Even those on Medicare can still buy additional insurance. Once the government is the sole payer of healthcare, they dictate everything. It does mean doled out care that leads to longer and longer waiting lists and denial of the best treatments. They can start making all kinds of rules that will prevent people from getting care.

If people try to obtain care on their own by paying for it themselves, they get kicked off the government plan and will never be allowed to have insurance since government insurance is all there is. So, have the nerve in the UK to want to save your own life or your child's and you will be punished.

Of course, don't worry about any of the politicians getting care. What won't be available to the general public will remain an option for those in control.

 

[RodISHI]

No Hep C treatment either but they are probably still allowing Hep C vaccines that will put more of it out there. England's NHS can't afford Big Pharma: They will only pay for a new Hep C treatment if the patient is cured

It's designed to reduce the population. The same politicians supporting government run healthcare also want less people on the planet. Killing two birds with one stone.

I have no doubt that libs here in the states are watching what the UK is doing and hoping they can implement the same rules here. If we start denying the obese, the smokers, the drinkers and drug users from getting medical treatment for certain things and refusing new treatments and expensive treatments to everyone, the population could be cut in half. Thing is, right now we can choose what care to get because we are still in charge of our own care. Even those on Medicare can still buy additional insurance. Once the government is the sole payer of healthcare, they dictate everything. It does mean doled out care that leads to longer and longer waiting lists and denial of the best treatments. They can start making all kinds of rules that will prevent people from getting care.

If people try to obtain care on their own by paying for it themselves, they get kicked off the government plan and will never be allowed to have insurance since government insurance is all there is. So, have the nerve in the UK to want to save your own life or your child's and you will be punished.

Of course, don't worry about any of the politicians getting care. What won't be available to the general public will remain an option for those in control.

They have already started being dictators here years ago when they pushed all the non-smoking via taxing smokes into a category of being unaffordable and making mandatory vaccines, etc. Private doctors that do not go with the pharmaceutical recommendations get lambasted also. If they cared about peoples health they wouldn't be giving exemptions and free passes to toxic foods, meds and chemicals instead old fashion soaps and detergents. I have yet to see anyone suing for the pharm companies putting benzalkonium into inhalers for children with asthma. They knew before they did it that any amount of that crap causes asthma. They made those poor babies worse. I am sure they also knew that glyphosate causes sterility too but they gave exemptions for higher than set allowable limits grown into food and I don't see anyone in FDA or EPA trying to change it. There sustainable environment is remain in control over and above the peop'e and keep the people ignorant while they are doing it. Even that isn't good enough at this point as they are not going to stop until they have control enough to tap into the bits of savings of those who do not go long with their crap.