Government Must Get Out of Healthcare

[rightwinger]

Exactly. No insurance cost you just saw a doctor and you got what you needed.

Then the government started getting involved.

Life expectancy was 63 in the 60s

The good ole days

And that was due to the absence of Medicare and Medicaid? You got evidence for that?

Or perhaps, it was they lacked the understanding and technology in medical science in those days that we now have. Gee, maybe that could be the reason, you think?

Link where I said that

 

[JQPublic1]

Free market in healthcare leads to healthcare for the highest bidder. Only those drugs and procedures that are profitable get funded. Only the healthy get affordable insurance. Real Death Panels as only profitable procedures get approved....sorry, but you are not worth a $1million transplant and heart and kidney transplants go to the highest bidder

I do believe you've got it Bass ackwards. If Medical Care is available because the government makes it so, people are likely to seek preventive treatment that will lessen the chance of heart attacks or preclude the need for a transplants in the first place. Without access provided by the government affordability becomes a factor and people don't see the doctors until it's time to go to the emergency room. By then the damage has been done.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I grew up before the government took over healthcare in the mid-60's. When I was sick my Dad called the doctor and the doctor would come to the house. My Dad paid the doc in cash and that was the end of it. Once the government took control, I was no longer the patient and my Dad was not the customer, the government was. That's when house calls stopped and cost of medical started exploding.

Exactly. No insurance cost you just saw a doctor and you got what you needed.

Then the government started getting involved.

Life expectancy was 63 in the 60s

The good ole days

Liar. Life expectancy was 70 in the 60's. And it went because people stopped smoking.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Good God

Have you seen what happens when Government and Insurance get out of the picture?

Free market in healthcare leads to healthcare for the highest bidder. Only those drugs and procedures that are profitable get funded. Only the healthy get affordable insurance. Real Death Panels as only profitable procedures get approved....sorry, but you are not worth a $1million transplant and heart and kidney transplants go to the highest bidder

Seeing as how we've never had a free market in health care in my lifetime, no, I haven't seen it, and given your absurd hypothesis neither have you, but I have seen how the free market works in just about every other industry. Competition brings down costs. It doesn't raise them, stupid. As for your $1 million transplant, THAT is exactly what we should have health insurance for. If we all had insurance strictly for catastrophic/emergency coverage and were paying for our normal routine visits out of pockets you'd see costs drop dramatically. This really is not hard to understand, but most Americans are like you. They have no understanding of how a business works and are financially ignorant.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I do believe you've got it Bass ackwards. If Medical Care is available because the government makes it so, people are likely to seek preventive treatment that will lessen the chance of heart attacks or preclude the need for a transplants in the first place. Without access provided by the government affordability becomes a factor and people don't see the doctors until it's time to go to the emergency room. By then the damage has been done.

Preventive care does not result in less health care costs long term.

Think preventive medicine will save money? Think again

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Exactly. No insurance cost you just saw a doctor and you got what you needed.

Then the government started getting involved.

Life expectancy was 63 in the 60s

The good ole days

And that was due to the absence of Medicare and Medicaid? You got evidence for that?

Or perhaps, it was they lacked the understanding and technology in medical science in those days that we now have. Gee, maybe that could be the reason, you think?

Link where I said that

It was clearly inferred. Don't backtrack.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You think it is brilliant to allow your employer, who is looking to make a buck, decide what insurance you should have?
Is it brilliant to allow an insurance company who is out for profit to make life and death decisions for you?

The Government can represent 300 million people in the insurance market. That is an immense bargaining tool with healthcare providers

You have to be a total fuck tard to think that one entity can even remotely represent 300 million people effectively. They can't even manage a few million in the VA system, but somehow you rejects think creating what will literally be the largest bureaucracy on planet Earth will be unicorns and butterflies. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see what an unmitigated disaster that would be. I guess that's why you're having a problem understanding. If you resent employer provided health insurance then blame your hero FDR because it was his New Deal bullshit that pushed us in that direction.

You want to fix the cost of health care in this country? Get insurance companies AND the government out of the picture. They are the ones driving up the costs and yet you morons keep trying to fix a system they broke by giving them more skin in the game. We don't need health insurance and government programs paying for people's routine doctor visits. Insurance should be exactly that, insurance. It should cover you in emergency situations only, not every sniffle and sneeze. How much do you think you'd pay for auto insurance if you billed it for every oil and tire change?

Want to rein in the pharmaceutical industry? Take away their manufacturing monopoly that the very government, you worship like a god, gave to them.

Maybe your holy highness government shouldn't have passed EMTALA requiring hospitals to treat everybody who walks into the ER. Ever think of that? Maybe they should be allowed to turn people away who don't have an actual emergency, but use the ER as their personal health care provider. Start embracing concierge doctors who have thrown insurance out the window and have been treating people at a much more effective cost on a cash basis. Maybe you ought to tell government to stop requiring so much red tape and hoops to jump through in order to open a new hospital.

There was a time in this country where doctors made house calls and people like my grandparents simply wrote a check to the hospital when my father was born. Then dipshits like you in the government decided they had to help everybody and here we are.

Good God

Have you seen what happens when Government and Insurance get out of the picture?

Free market in healthcare leads to healthcare for the highest bidder. Only those drugs and procedures that are profitable get funded. Only the healthy get affordable insurance. Real Death Panels as only profitable procedures get approved....sorry, but you are not worth a $1million transplant and heart and kidney transplants go to the highest bidder

How is it 50 years ago a doctor treated you in your home and handed you medicine for nothing because insurance paid it?

Oh yeah, government inserted itself and made the laws only for non D.C. Insiders.

Why do you love D.C. Insiders so much?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Dufus, government is the reason costs are so high.

But I can go along with your position. Democrats had the chance to negotiate cheap pharmaceuticals but instead only let them skyrocket higher.

So did Republicans under Bush's Medicare Part D for prescriptions
Both parties are controlled by Big Pharm and will do nothing to upset the revenue flow

Other governments get involved in negotiating prescription prices. If you want to sell prescriptions to the 20-30 million people in our country....here is what you can charge. The drug companies drop the prices

Imagine what the US, with 300 million people could negotiate

You investing a billion dollars in the slim chance 10 years from now the R&D on a new drug gets approved?

Nope. The left just want all R&D stopped for medical advancements.

Why has the price of insulin skyrocketed? It has been on the market for generations
Yes, we know all about R&D
But why is it the American consumer is the only one paying for it while other countries negotiate prices for the same drugs that are less than half the price?

Why do our consumers pay so much for an MRI, sonogram or X-ray?

Other countries laugh at us for what we pay for simple procedures

Ask Democrats, they own the current HC system.

Oh yeah, government intruded where it had not before and Costs skyrocket.

Thanks for validating the OP.

Trump is running our government
Health and Human Services is the executive branch responsible for our nations health

People die....it is Trump's responsibility to do something

If he doesn't care, he needs to be replaced by someone who does

Obama took over the military Jan 09. So according to your logic Iraq and everything else was Obamas fault.

OK.

 

[rightwinger]

Good God

Have you seen what happens when Government and Insurance get out of the picture?

Free market in healthcare leads to healthcare for the highest bidder. Only those drugs and procedures that are profitable get funded. Only the healthy get affordable insurance. Real Death Panels as only profitable procedures get approved....sorry, but you are not worth a $1million transplant and heart and kidney transplants go to the highest bidder

Seeing as how we've never had a free market in health care in my lifetime, no, I haven't seen it, and given your absurd hypothesis neither have you, but I have seen how the free market works in just about every other industry. Competition brings down costs. It doesn't raise them, stupid. As for your $1 million transplant, THAT is exactly what we should have health insurance for. If we all had insurance strictly for catastrophic/emergency coverage and were paying for our normal routine visits out of pockets you'd see costs drop dramatically. This really is not hard to understand, but most Americans are like you. They have no understanding of how a business works and are financially ignorant.

Well you can't have it both ways pal
You are the one who mocks the role of Government in healthcare

Are you willing to rely on the good will of profit seeking corporations over Government regulation?

If workers need to choose between paying the rent or paying to see a doctor out of pocket they will suck it up and pay the rent.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Good God

Have you seen what happens when Government and Insurance get out of the picture?

Free market in healthcare leads to healthcare for the highest bidder. Only those drugs and procedures that are profitable get funded. Only the healthy get affordable insurance. Real Death Panels as only profitable procedures get approved....sorry, but you are not worth a $1million transplant and heart and kidney transplants go to the highest bidder

How is it 50 years ago a doctor treated you in your home and handed you medicine for nothing because insurance paid it?

Oh yeah, government inserted itself and made the laws only for non D.C. Insiders.

Why do you love D.C. Insiders so much?

I keep wondering why it is these tards continue advocating for a system that will benefit the rich over everyone else. The wealthy will be able to go anywhere to get the best treatment they want while the rest of us will get stuck with the government crap. It's truly astonishing the lack of critical thinking these people have.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Good God

Have you seen what happens when Government and Insurance get out of the picture?

Free market in healthcare leads to healthcare for the highest bidder. Only those drugs and procedures that are profitable get funded. Only the healthy get affordable insurance. Real Death Panels as only profitable procedures get approved....sorry, but you are not worth a $1million transplant and heart and kidney transplants go to the highest bidder

Seeing as how we've never had a free market in health care in my lifetime, no, I haven't seen it, and given your absurd hypothesis neither have you, but I have seen how the free market works in just about every other industry. Competition brings down costs. It doesn't raise them, stupid. As for your $1 million transplant, THAT is exactly what we should have health insurance for. If we all had insurance strictly for catastrophic/emergency coverage and were paying for our normal routine visits out of pockets you'd see costs drop dramatically. This really is not hard to understand, but most Americans are like you. They have no understanding of how a business works and are financially ignorant.

Well you can't have it both ways pal
You are the one who mocks the role of Government in healthcare

Are you willing to rely on the good will of profit seeking corporations over Government regulation?

Who is trying to have it both ways? I just told you government and insurance companies need to get out of the way and let the market work.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Good God

Have you seen what happens when Government and Insurance get out of the picture?

Free market in healthcare leads to healthcare for the highest bidder. Only those drugs and procedures that are profitable get funded. Only the healthy get affordable insurance. Real Death Panels as only profitable procedures get approved....sorry, but you are not worth a $1million transplant and heart and kidney transplants go to the highest bidder

How is it 50 years ago a doctor treated you in your home and handed you medicine for nothing because insurance paid it?

Oh yeah, government inserted itself and made the laws only for non D.C. Insiders.

Why do you love D.C. Insiders so much?

I keep wondering why it is these tards continue advocating for a system that will benefit the rich over everyone else. The wealthy will be able to go anywhere to get the best treatment they want while the rest of us will get stuck with the government crap. It's truly astonishing the lack of critical thinking these people have.

They are puppets of the rich elite.

 

[JQPublic1]

I do believe you've got it Bass ackwards. If Medical Care is available because the government makes it so, people are likely to seek preventive treatment that will lessen the chance of heart attacks or preclude the need for a transplants in the first place. Without access provided by the government affordability becomes a factor and people don't see the doctors until it's time to go to the emergency room. By then the damage has been done.

Preventive care does not result in less health care costs long term.

Think preventive medicine will save money? Think again

Interesting. But I would trust a CDC report to be more specific and accurate.
Preventive Health Care| Gateway to Health Communication | CDC

The Bottom Line for Consumers

• Eliminating cost-sharing (e.g., deductibles, co-insurance, or copayments) for certain preventive services increases the likelihood that preventive services will be used. The government is making strides to broaden private health plan access to recommended preventive services with no cost or low cost-sharing.
• You may have no insurance copays or other out-of-pocket costs for certain visits and preventive screenings to detect disease in the early stages, when it is most treatable.
• Preventing disease before it starts is critical to helping people live longer, healthier lives and keeping health care costs down. Preventive services can also help those with early stages of disease keep from getting sicker.
• Counseling on such topics as quitting smoking, losing weight, eating better, treating depression, and reducing alcohol use can improve health and reduce costs by preventing illness.
• Receiving routine vaccinations in accordance with your doctor’s recommendations can help prevent diseases such as measles, chicken pox, or meningitis, as well as flu and certain kinds of pneumonia.
• Counseling, screening, wellness visits, prenatal care, etc., can improve health and reduce costs by preventing illness.
• Health problems are a major drain on the economy, resulting in 69 million workers reporting missed days due to illness each year, and reducing economic output by $260 billion per year. Increasing the use of proven preventive services can encourage greater workplace productivity.

 

[dblack]

We don't need no government

Our employers and insurance companies will do what is best for us

There goes a statist justifying government overreach

Dincha know? Any resistance to statist wet dreams is ANARCHY!!!! .. also SOMALIA!!!!!

 

[dblack]

Are you willing to rely on the good will of profit seeking corporations over Government regulation?

Neither.

 

[GWV5903]

Why do you love D.C. Insiders so much?

He was born into it, their environment taught them that anyone who had more was evil, its amazing how many didn't get the education that our tax dollars paid for....

 

[dblack]

Are you willing to rely on the good will of profit seeking corporations over Government regulation?

Neither.

Seriously, when it comes to something as important as health care, I don't "rely" on faith or good will. And I tend not to agree with popular consensus on that matter. That's why a government takeover is so repugnant to me. If we rely on the free market for our health insurance, none of us is required to follow the popular consensus. If you don't like the mainstream solutions, you can explore alternatives. But government doesn't work that way.

 

[Votto]

We don't need no government

Our employers and insurance companies will do what is best for us

The government is the reason you're relying on your employer for insurance in the first place, tard.

It sure is

We should have gone to universal healthcare decades ago. Instead, we trusted the care of our citizens to their employers

Why then do those in the VA often seek health care outside the VA if government health care is so great?

 

[GWV5903]

Why then do those in the VA often seek health care outside the VA if government health care is so great?

That's too complicated for RW to answer...

 

[Votto]

Why then do those in the VA often seek health care outside the VA if government health care is so great?

That's too complicated for RW to answer...

RW does not want them to have the option. RW would rather they be put on secret death lists so as to keep costs down cuz he is so worried about the national debt and all.