GOP chaos

[Luddly Neddite]

Cataloging the GOP's 2016 Chaos - The Wire

The truth is, we don't know. Presidential predictions this early in the game are pretty worthless (we may be better off just figuring out who was cooler in high school). As Columbia Journalism Review's Brendan Nyhan explains, "matchups [like Hillary vs. Chris Christie] may be fun to speculate about, but the evidence suggests that even national trial heat polls conducted this far in advance of a presidential election are completely uninformative about its outcome." Still, there are enough possible Republican candidates that it's worth cataloging them. Here is a guide to the chaos:

Gov. Chris Christie (New Jersey)
AP

Greatest success: Teaming up with President Obama to provide Hurricane Sandy relief to New Jersey citizens. While some Republicans criticized Christie for looking too close to Obama, Christie's leadership during the disaster caused his approval ratings to soar. (Now, of course, some of those storm relief decisions are being questioned.)

Biggest scandal: This one's obvious — Bridgegate. Christie's possible involvement in the decision to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge as a former of political payback continues to be a huge deal. He spent the governors' meeting avoiding reporters.

Tea Party? No.

Conventional wisdom rating: New York's Jonathan Chait says he's dead in the water. Conservative voters don't trust him anymore.
Gov. Scott Walker (Wisconsin)
AP

Greatest success: He's the first and only U.S. governor to win a gubernatorial recall election (in 2012). Conservatives like how he took on public sector unions.

Biggest scandal: An investigation into whether his campaign staffers and public officials coordinated during his first campaign. Thousands of emails have been released so far, some of which are embarrassing. Walker will have to answer questions about this for awhile, even though he called the case "old news" over the weekend.

Tea Party? Yes, but he isn't afraid to criticize Ted Cruz.

Conventional wisdom rating: Politico's Mike Allen lists him as a top contender, alongside Sen. Rand Paul.
Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas)
AP

Greatest success: Faux-filibustering Obamacare.

Biggest scandal: Cruz is actually on his wife's luxury Goldman Sachs health care plan.

Tea Party? Yes.

Conventional wisdom rating: He continues to be the loudest voice in the room, Politico's Allen says, and that could propel him to victories early in the race.


Sen. Rand Paul (Kentucky)
AP

Greatest success: He actually filibustered John Brennan's CIA nomination last March, which brought him and the U.S.'s drone policy a lot of publicity.

Biggest scandal: He had to fire one of his top aides, Jack Hunter, after it was revealed that Hunter was a neo-Confederate shock jock. Hunter once said on air that John Wilkes Booth's "heart was in the right place" when he assassinated President Lincoln.

Tea Party? Yes.

Conventional wisdom rating: Paul's libertarianism appeals to some key demographics that Republicans need, specifically young people. Paul thinks he's the candidate to reach all minorities. Allen thinks he's a top contender.
Former Gov. Jeb Bush (Florida)
AP

Greatest success: He was a popular two-term governor of a key swing state, and he maintains strong ties to the Latino community in the region.

Biggest scandal: His brother is George W. Bush.

Tea Party? No.

Conventional wisdom rating: Bush is the "savior" of the party, in Allen's view. The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol thinks Bush is the answer to the Christie scandal.
The Middle of the Pack
Portman. AP

These names continue to get thrown out in 2016 discussions, but none of them have had their big, defining moment yet. Gov. John Kasich (Ohio) has waffled on expanding Medicaid in his state, Rep. Paul Ryan (Wisconsin) probably wants to be Speaker of the House instead, Sen. Marco Rubio (Florida) has been shunned because he supports comprehensive immigration reform, and Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio) and Gov. Mike Pence (Indiana) don't have the name recognition.


The Long Shots
Haley. AP

It's unlikely that any of these people will be the nominee, but they'll still get some press.

Names you've heard before: Gov. Rick Perry (Texas), Former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Arkansas), Former Sen. Rick Santorum (Pennsylvania)

Lesser-known contenders that could surprise you: Gov. Nikki Haley (South Carolina), Gov. Brian Sandoval (Nevada)

Pundits think they're running for VP: Gov. Bobby Jindal (Louisiana), Gov. Susana Martinez (New Mexico)

The point isn't just who could win but, the fact is, there's not one who is even partially qualified to be president of the United States.

Without blaming President Obama OR Bush, who would you vote for and why?

 

[TemplarKormac]

The only chaos my friend, is that which occurs in your head. You're trying to predict an election two years from now.

 

[Redfish]

The only chaos my friend, is that which occurs in that head of yours. You're trying to predict an election two years from now.

The dems are scared shitless. thats why they and their media buddies are trying to destroy every prominent republican.

the dem idiots are going to be forced to run the old bitch hillary and they know that she can't win. I actually find it funny watching them scramble.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The only chaos my friend, is that which occurs in that head of yours. You're trying to predict an election two years from now.

The dems are scared shitless. thats why they and their media buddies are trying to destroy every prominent republican.

the dem idiots are going to be forced to run the old bitch hillary and they know that she can't win. I actually find it funny watching them scramble.

So neither of you is willing to answer the question.

To be fair, I don't blame you. I wouldn't vote for any of them either.

 

[Redfish]

The only chaos my friend, is that which occurs in that head of yours. You're trying to predict an election two years from now.

The dems are scared shitless. thats why they and their media buddies are trying to destroy every prominent republican.

the dem idiots are going to be forced to run the old bitch hillary and they know that she can't win. I actually find it funny watching them scramble.

So neither of you is willing to answer the question.

To be fair, I don't blame you. I wouldn't vote for any of them either.

I don't know who will be the GOP nominee. But we know that you fools are stuck with the old dried up bitch hilly and her rapist husband.

Whoever the GOP decides on will be the next president. The country is fed up with democrat socialism, corruption, and lies.

 

[bendog]

The only chaos my friend, is that which occurs in that head of yours. You're trying to predict an election two years from now.

The dems are scared shitless. thats why they and their media buddies are trying to destroy every prominent republican.

the dem idiots are going to be forced to run the old bitch hillary and they know that she can't win. I actually find it funny watching them scramble.

So neither of you is willing to answer the question.

To be fair, I don't blame you. I wouldn't vote for any of them either.

I believe the GOPs major donors will coalesce behind one of Walker, Kacish or Pence

 

[Stephanie]

lol, the wire and liberals are sure wishing and dreaming they keep pushing stupid article's like this

It's become so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

We can't all be like the Democrats AND their sheep base and march in lockstep with the PARTY no questions asked

 

[DiamondDave]

The troll wants an answer to a question that is not really a question.. for nobody knows who the nominee will be, or even who all the persons running will be.. no do we know the stances, nor the platform any candidate will be running on...

But hey.. trolls will troll

 

[martybegan]

The troll wants an answer to a question that is not really a question.. for nobody knows who the nominee will be, or even who all the persons running will be.. no do we know the stances, nor the platform any candidate will be running on...

But hey.. trolls will troll

The overall object of luddy dumbass is of course to have people pick a candidate, and then have him hold that over the person's head if said candidate is taken down via scandal.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The dems are scared shitless. thats why they and their media buddies are trying to destroy every prominent republican.

the dem idiots are going to be forced to run the old bitch hillary and they know that she can't win. I actually find it funny watching them scramble.

So neither of you is willing to answer the question.

To be fair, I don't blame you. I wouldn't vote for any of them either.

I believe the GOPs major donors will coalesce behind one of Walker, Kacish or Pence

They'll back whomever they believe can win.

=====

And still, not one rw is willing to answer the question.

Without blaming President Obama OR Bush, who would you vote for and why?

Rather than face facts, they still try to make it about the Dems.

 

[Yurt]

who will you vote for luddly? you want others to answer a question you have not...

 

[Stephanie]

It's NONE of your business who people vote for

that is a private matter for any citizen in this country

but leave it to you to think you have the right and demand people answer you

 

[natstew]

Cataloging the GOP's 2016 Chaos - The Wire

The truth is, we don't know. Presidential predictions this early in the game are pretty worthless (we may be better off just figuring out who was cooler in high school). As Columbia Journalism Review's Brendan Nyhan explains, "matchups [like Hillary vs. Chris Christie] may be fun to speculate about, but the evidence suggests that even national trial heat polls conducted this far in advance of a presidential election are completely uninformative about its outcome." Still, there are enough possible Republican candidates that it's worth cataloging them. Here is a guide to the chaos:

Gov. Chris Christie (New Jersey)
AP

Greatest success: Teaming up with President Obama to provide Hurricane Sandy relief to New Jersey citizens. While some Republicans criticized Christie for looking too close to Obama, Christie's leadership during the disaster caused his approval ratings to soar. (Now, of course, some of those storm relief decisions are being questioned.)

Biggest scandal: This one's obvious — Bridgegate. Christie's possible involvement in the decision to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge as a former of political payback continues to be a huge deal. He spent the governors' meeting avoiding reporters.

Tea Party? No.

Conventional wisdom rating: New York's Jonathan Chait says he's dead in the water. Conservative voters don't trust him anymore.
Gov. Scott Walker (Wisconsin)
AP

Greatest success: He's the first and only U.S. governor to win a gubernatorial recall election (in 2012). Conservatives like how he took on public sector unions.

Biggest scandal: An investigation into whether his campaign staffers and public officials coordinated during his first campaign. Thousands of emails have been released so far, some of which are embarrassing. Walker will have to answer questions about this for awhile, even though he called the case "old news" over the weekend.

Tea Party? Yes, but he isn't afraid to criticize Ted Cruz.

Conventional wisdom rating: Politico's Mike Allen lists him as a top contender, alongside Sen. Rand Paul.
Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas)
AP

Greatest success: Faux-filibustering Obamacare.

Biggest scandal: Cruz is actually on his wife's luxury Goldman Sachs health care plan.

Tea Party? Yes.

Conventional wisdom rating: He continues to be the loudest voice in the room, Politico's Allen says, and that could propel him to victories early in the race.


Sen. Rand Paul (Kentucky)
AP

Greatest success: He actually filibustered John Brennan's CIA nomination last March, which brought him and the U.S.'s drone policy a lot of publicity.

Biggest scandal: He had to fire one of his top aides, Jack Hunter, after it was revealed that Hunter was a neo-Confederate shock jock. Hunter once said on air that John Wilkes Booth's "heart was in the right place" when he assassinated President Lincoln.

Tea Party? Yes.

Conventional wisdom rating: Paul's libertarianism appeals to some key demographics that Republicans need, specifically young people. Paul thinks he's the candidate to reach all minorities. Allen thinks he's a top contender.
Former Gov. Jeb Bush (Florida)
AP

Greatest success: He was a popular two-term governor of a key swing state, and he maintains strong ties to the Latino community in the region.

Biggest scandal: His brother is George W. Bush.

Tea Party? No.

Conventional wisdom rating: Bush is the "savior" of the party, in Allen's view. The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol thinks Bush is the answer to the Christie scandal.
The Middle of the Pack
Portman. AP

These names continue to get thrown out in 2016 discussions, but none of them have had their big, defining moment yet. Gov. John Kasich (Ohio) has waffled on expanding Medicaid in his state, Rep. Paul Ryan (Wisconsin) probably wants to be Speaker of the House instead, Sen. Marco Rubio (Florida) has been shunned because he supports comprehensive immigration reform, and Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio) and Gov. Mike Pence (Indiana) don't have the name recognition.


The Long Shots
Haley. AP

It's unlikely that any of these people will be the nominee, but they'll still get some press.

Names you've heard before: Gov. Rick Perry (Texas), Former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Arkansas), Former Sen. Rick Santorum (Pennsylvania)

Lesser-known contenders that could surprise you: Gov. Nikki Haley (South Carolina), Gov. Brian Sandoval (Nevada)

Pundits think they're running for VP: Gov. Bobby Jindal (Louisiana), Gov. Susana Martinez (New Mexico)

The point isn't just who could win but, the fact is, there's not one who is even partially qualified to be president of the United States.

Without blaming President Obama OR Bush, who would you vote for and why?

And I guess a "Community organizer who stole one election to the Senate and couldn't produce a real Birth Certificate for four years, then comes up with one that's been judged to be a fake by experts is more qualified?

You're disgustingly stupid!!

 

[Dutch]

Cataloging the GOP's 2016 Chaos - The Wire

The truth is, we don't know. Presidential predictions this early in the game are pretty worthless (we may be better off just figuring out who was cooler in high school). As Columbia Journalism Review's Brendan Nyhan explains, "matchups [like Hillary vs. Chris Christie] may be fun to speculate about, but the evidence suggests that even national trial heat polls conducted this far in advance of a presidential election are completely uninformative about its outcome." Still, there are enough possible Republican candidates that it's worth cataloging them. Here is a guide to the chaos:

Gov. Chris Christie (New Jersey)
AP

Greatest success: Teaming up with President Obama to provide Hurricane Sandy relief to New Jersey citizens. While some Republicans criticized Christie for looking too close to Obama, Christie's leadership during the disaster caused his approval ratings to soar. (Now, of course, some of those storm relief decisions are being questioned.)

Biggest scandal: This one's obvious — Bridgegate. Christie's possible involvement in the decision to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge as a former of political payback continues to be a huge deal. He spent the governors' meeting avoiding reporters.

Tea Party? No.

Conventional wisdom rating: New York's Jonathan Chait says he's dead in the water. Conservative voters don't trust him anymore.
Gov. Scott Walker (Wisconsin)
AP

Greatest success: He's the first and only U.S. governor to win a gubernatorial recall election (in 2012). Conservatives like how he took on public sector unions.

Biggest scandal: An investigation into whether his campaign staffers and public officials coordinated during his first campaign. Thousands of emails have been released so far, some of which are embarrassing. Walker will have to answer questions about this for awhile, even though he called the case "old news" over the weekend.

Tea Party? Yes, but he isn't afraid to criticize Ted Cruz.

Conventional wisdom rating: Politico's Mike Allen lists him as a top contender, alongside Sen. Rand Paul.
Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas)
AP

Greatest success: Faux-filibustering Obamacare.

Biggest scandal: Cruz is actually on his wife's luxury Goldman Sachs health care plan.

Tea Party? Yes.

Conventional wisdom rating: He continues to be the loudest voice in the room, Politico's Allen says, and that could propel him to victories early in the race.


Sen. Rand Paul (Kentucky)
AP

Greatest success: He actually filibustered John Brennan's CIA nomination last March, which brought him and the U.S.'s drone policy a lot of publicity.

Biggest scandal: He had to fire one of his top aides, Jack Hunter, after it was revealed that Hunter was a neo-Confederate shock jock. Hunter once said on air that John Wilkes Booth's "heart was in the right place" when he assassinated President Lincoln.

Tea Party? Yes.

Conventional wisdom rating: Paul's libertarianism appeals to some key demographics that Republicans need, specifically young people. Paul thinks he's the candidate to reach all minorities. Allen thinks he's a top contender.
Former Gov. Jeb Bush (Florida)
AP

Greatest success: He was a popular two-term governor of a key swing state, and he maintains strong ties to the Latino community in the region.

Biggest scandal: His brother is George W. Bush.

Tea Party? No.

Conventional wisdom rating: Bush is the "savior" of the party, in Allen's view. The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol thinks Bush is the answer to the Christie scandal.
The Middle of the Pack
Portman. AP

These names continue to get thrown out in 2016 discussions, but none of them have had their big, defining moment yet. Gov. John Kasich (Ohio) has waffled on expanding Medicaid in his state, Rep. Paul Ryan (Wisconsin) probably wants to be Speaker of the House instead, Sen. Marco Rubio (Florida) has been shunned because he supports comprehensive immigration reform, and Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio) and Gov. Mike Pence (Indiana) don't have the name recognition.


The Long Shots
Haley. AP

It's unlikely that any of these people will be the nominee, but they'll still get some press.

Names you've heard before: Gov. Rick Perry (Texas), Former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Arkansas), Former Sen. Rick Santorum (Pennsylvania)

Lesser-known contenders that could surprise you: Gov. Nikki Haley (South Carolina), Gov. Brian Sandoval (Nevada)

Pundits think they're running for VP: Gov. Bobby Jindal (Louisiana), Gov. Susana Martinez (New Mexico)

The point isn't just who could win but, the fact is, there's not one who is even partially qualified to be president of the United States.

Without blaming President Obama OR Bush, who would you vote for and why?

And I guess a "Community organizer who stole one election to the Senate and couldn't produce a real Birth Certificate for four years, then comes up with one that's been judged to be a fake by experts is more qualified?

You're disgustingly stupid!![/QUOTE]

And the most ironic post of the day award goes to Nat.

 

[Redfish]

Cataloging the GOP's 2016 Chaos - The Wire



The point isn't just who could win but, the fact is, there's not one who is even partially qualified to be president of the United States.

Without blaming President Obama OR Bush, who would you vote for and why?

And I guess a "Community organizer who stole one election to the Senate and couldn't produce a real Birth Certificate for four years, then comes up with one that's been judged to be a fake by experts is more qualified?

You're disgustingly stupid!![/QUOTE]

And the most ironic post of the day award goes to Nat.

in time we will see who is stupid. My guess is that it will be you obama supporters.

 

[bendog]

So neither of you is willing to answer the question.

To be fair, I don't blame you. I wouldn't vote for any of them either.

I believe the GOPs major donors will coalesce behind one of Walker, Kacish or Pence

They'll back whomever they believe can win.

=====

And still, not one rw is willing to answer the question.

Without blaming President Obama OR Bush, who would you vote for and why?

Rather than face facts, they still try to make it about the Dems.

Oh, well I tried to respond to what you copied and pasted about the gop's disarray in terms of finding a candidate who is not a loon, and does not have to adopt being a loon to be seen as truly fiscally conservative. And, I don't think the eventual nominee will allow himself to adopt loonish positions on social issues this time around.

As to who I'd vote for, I think Kasich is the most qualified, followed by Pence and Walker in that order. I think odds are that Walker will be the nominee. He lacks for policy experience, but I don't see that as a disqualification. Slick was woefully below BushI in that category, and Carter had won a nobel while Reagan, at the time, scared most Americans until he went all folksy in the debates.

So, I figure I'll end up voting for one of them. I will not vote for Rand Paul, but I don't think he'll be the nominee. I think Cruz and Rubio aren't even in the mix. Paul Ryan would be the best candidate, but he's not running.

 

[Sunshine]

The dems are scared shitless. thats why they and their media buddies are trying to destroy every prominent republican.

the dem idiots are going to be forced to run the old bitch hillary and they know that she can't win. I actually find it funny watching them scramble.

So neither of you is willing to answer the question.

To be fair, I don't blame you. I wouldn't vote for any of them either.

I don't know who will be the GOP nominee. But we know that you fools are stuck with the old dried up bitch hilly and her rapist husband.

Whoever the GOP decides on will be the next president. The country is fed up with democrat socialism, corruption, and lies.

Even some of the people who voted for it!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

who will you vote for luddly? you want others to answer a question you have not...

No one on that list.

If you want to start a thread with actual viable candidates, by all means do.

Noted that you can't answer the question either.

Stephanie

It's NONE of your business who people vote for

that is a private matter for any citizen in this country

but leave it to you to think you have the right and demand people answer you

Stupid as always. Read the question again. I did not ask who someone voted for or WILL vote for. I asked who you WOULD vote for. I'm certainly not that first, last or only person who as asked that.

Notice that not one rw has said they would vote for any of these losers.

Like I said, I really don't blame you for trying so hard to run away from your own potential candidates. Losers, one and all.


`

 

[Harry Dresden]

Cataloging the GOP's 2016 Chaos - The Wire

The truth is, we don't know. Presidential predictions this early in the game are pretty worthless (we may be better off just figuring out who was cooler in high school). As Columbia Journalism Review's Brendan Nyhan explains, "matchups [like Hillary vs. Chris Christie] may be fun to speculate about, but the evidence suggests that even national trial heat polls conducted this far in advance of a presidential election are completely uninformative about its outcome." Still, there are enough possible Republican candidates that it's worth cataloging them. Here is a guide to the chaos:

Gov. Chris Christie (New Jersey)
AP

Greatest success: Teaming up with President Obama to provide Hurricane Sandy relief to New Jersey citizens. While some Republicans criticized Christie for looking too close to Obama, Christie's leadership during the disaster caused his approval ratings to soar. (Now, of course, some of those storm relief decisions are being questioned.)

Biggest scandal: This one's obvious — Bridgegate. Christie's possible involvement in the decision to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge as a former of political payback continues to be a huge deal. He spent the governors' meeting avoiding reporters.

Tea Party? No.

Conventional wisdom rating: New York's Jonathan Chait says he's dead in the water. Conservative voters don't trust him anymore.
Gov. Scott Walker (Wisconsin)
AP

Greatest success: He's the first and only U.S. governor to win a gubernatorial recall election (in 2012). Conservatives like how he took on public sector unions.

Biggest scandal: An investigation into whether his campaign staffers and public officials coordinated during his first campaign. Thousands of emails have been released so far, some of which are embarrassing. Walker will have to answer questions about this for awhile, even though he called the case "old news" over the weekend.

Tea Party? Yes, but he isn't afraid to criticize Ted Cruz.

Conventional wisdom rating: Politico's Mike Allen lists him as a top contender, alongside Sen. Rand Paul.
Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas)
AP

Greatest success: Faux-filibustering Obamacare.

Biggest scandal: Cruz is actually on his wife's luxury Goldman Sachs health care plan.

Tea Party? Yes.

Conventional wisdom rating: He continues to be the loudest voice in the room, Politico's Allen says, and that could propel him to victories early in the race.


Sen. Rand Paul (Kentucky)
AP

Greatest success: He actually filibustered John Brennan's CIA nomination last March, which brought him and the U.S.'s drone policy a lot of publicity.

Biggest scandal: He had to fire one of his top aides, Jack Hunter, after it was revealed that Hunter was a neo-Confederate shock jock. Hunter once said on air that John Wilkes Booth's "heart was in the right place" when he assassinated President Lincoln.

Tea Party? Yes.

Conventional wisdom rating: Paul's libertarianism appeals to some key demographics that Republicans need, specifically young people. Paul thinks he's the candidate to reach all minorities. Allen thinks he's a top contender.
Former Gov. Jeb Bush (Florida)
AP

Greatest success: He was a popular two-term governor of a key swing state, and he maintains strong ties to the Latino community in the region.

Biggest scandal: His brother is George W. Bush.

Tea Party? No.

Conventional wisdom rating: Bush is the "savior" of the party, in Allen's view. The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol thinks Bush is the answer to the Christie scandal.
The Middle of the Pack
Portman. AP

These names continue to get thrown out in 2016 discussions, but none of them have had their big, defining moment yet. Gov. John Kasich (Ohio) has waffled on expanding Medicaid in his state, Rep. Paul Ryan (Wisconsin) probably wants to be Speaker of the House instead, Sen. Marco Rubio (Florida) has been shunned because he supports comprehensive immigration reform, and Sen. Rob Portman (Ohio) and Gov. Mike Pence (Indiana) don't have the name recognition.


The Long Shots
Haley. AP

It's unlikely that any of these people will be the nominee, but they'll still get some press.

Names you've heard before: Gov. Rick Perry (Texas), Former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Arkansas), Former Sen. Rick Santorum (Pennsylvania)

Lesser-known contenders that could surprise you: Gov. Nikki Haley (South Carolina), Gov. Brian Sandoval (Nevada)

Pundits think they're running for VP: Gov. Bobby Jindal (Louisiana), Gov. Susana Martinez (New Mexico)

The point isn't just who could win but, the fact is, there's not one who is even partially qualified to be president of the United States.

Without blaming President Obama OR Bush, who would you vote for and why?

i wont vote for anyone in either party.....why vote for the same old shit?......until these 2 parties change and start caring for the Country first.....the hell with them....

 

[The Rabbi]

In 1978 the media was certain the GOP, still smarting from Watergate, would lose with whomever they nominated against the popular Jimmy Carter. We know how that turned out.