God Chose Them but For What Purpose?

[Mindful]

The relationship between the Jewish people and G-d is between the Jewish people and G-d. It is no one else's business.

Except for that fact that many wars were fought over this with hundreds of thousands dying because of this

Hah? What wars were fought over this. Last I checked the history books it was Muslim Jihadis and Christian Crusaders at each other's necks over which one was the real "chosen."

It's a waste of time confronting them with historical facts.

Other than that, it's nice to see you again, Roudy.

 

[USAF 2023]

Yes.Because He is all knowing and never makes mistakes. That was a piss poor question.

If God made you, that was a huge mistake.

Stop looking in the mirror.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yes.Because He is all knowing and never makes mistakes. That was a piss poor question.

If God made you, that was a huge mistake.

Stop looking in the mirror.

Thanks so much for sharing, such a clever rebuttal is beyond the pale.

 

[Roudy]

The relationship between the Jewish people and G-d is between the Jewish people and G-d. It is no one else's business.

Except for that fact that many wars were fought over this with hundreds of thousands dying because of this

Hah? What wars were fought over this. Last I checked the history books it was Muslim Jihadis and Christian Crusaders at each other's necks over which one was the real "chosen."

It's a waste of time confronting them with historical facts.

Other than that, it's nice to see you again, Roudy.

Muslim supporters of Israel are Muslims who support self-determination for the Jewish people, and a homeland for them in the State of Israel.

Some Muslim clerics, such as Sheikh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi, Director of the Cultural Institute of the Italian Islamic Community,[1][2] and Imam Dr Muhammad Al-Hussaini[3] believe that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of Israel, are in accordance with teachings of Islam.[4][5] Some Muslim supporters of Israel consider themselves Muslim Zionists.[6][7][8] Notable people with a Muslim background who publicly support Zionism include ex-Muslim Nemat Sadat,[9] former radical Islamist Ed Husain, Dr. Tawfik Hamid,[10] Tashbih Sayyed, a Pakistani-American scholar, journalist, and author,[11] and the journalist Salah Choudhury. Additional Muslim people who voiced public support for Israel included figures such as Irshad Manji, Salim Mansur, Abdurrahman Wahid, Mithal al-Alusi, Kasim Hafeez, Abdullah Saad Al-Hadlaq, Zuhdi Jasser, Khaleel Mohammed, Nadiya Al-Noor, Noor Dahri and Farooq Haider Khan.

Middle Ages

According to Imam Muhammad Al-Hussaini, traditional Islamic commentators from the 8th and 9th century onwards, such as Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, have uniformly interpreted the Qur'an to say that the Land of Israel has been given by God to the Jewish people as a perpetual covenant.[3]
According to British-based Imam Muhammad Al-Hussaini, traditional commentators from the 8th and 9th century onwards have uniformly interpreted the Qur'an to say explicitly that the Land of Israel has been given by God to the Jewish people as a perpetual covenant.[3][14] Hussaini bases his argument upon Qur'an 5:21 in which Moses declares: "O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has prescribed for you, and turn not back in your traces, to turn about losers." He cites the Qur'an commentator Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, who says that this statement is "a narrative from God... concerning the saying of Moses... to his community from among the children of Israel and his order to them according to the order of God to him, ordering them to enter the holy land." He argued that this promise to the Jews is ever lasting, and further said: "It was never the case during the early period of Islam... that there was any kind of sacerdotal attachment to Jerusalem as a territorial claim." This interpretation of the promise to the Jews as ever-lasting is not uniformly accepted by all Islamic commentators

According to a translation by the Islamic Law scholar Khaleel Mohammed, Ibn Kathir (1301–1373) interpreted Qur'an 5:20–21 using the following terms: "'That which God has written for you' i.e. That which God has promised to you by the words of your father Israel that it is the inheritance of those among you who believe."

Early twentieth century

Faisal (right) with Chaim Weizmann(also wearing Arab dress as a sign of friendship) in Syria, 1918.
After World War I, the Sharif of Mecca, Hussein bin Ali and his son, the King Feisal of Hijaz and then of Iraq, proclaimed pro-Zionist views.[17] According to Sheikh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi, the Wahhabi position, in contrast, was extremely anti-Zionist.[18][self-published source?]

On March 23, 1918, Al Qibla, the daily newspaper of Mecca, printed the following words in support of the Balfour Declaration of 1917:

The resources of the country [Palestine] are still virgin soil and will be developed by the Jewish immigrants (...) we have seen the Jews from foreign countries streaming to Palestine from Russia, Germany, Austria, Spain, and America. The cause of causes could not escape those who had a gift of deeper insight. They knew that the country was for its original sons [abna'ihi-l-asliyin], for all their differences, a sacred and beloved homeland. The return of these exiles [jaliya] to their homeland will prove materially and spiritually an experimental school for their brethren who are with them in the fields, factories, trades and all things connected to the land.[19]

On 3 January 1919, Hussein's son, king Faisal I of Iraq and Dr. Chaim Weizmann, President of the World Zionist Organization signed the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement for Arab-Jewish cooperation, in which Faisal conditionally accepted the Balfour Declaration based on the fulfilment of British wartime promises of development of a Jewish homeland in Palestine and on which subject he stated:

We Arabs... look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organisation to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper. We will do our best, in so far as we are concerned, to help them through; we will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home... I look forward, and my people with me look forward, to a future in which we will help you and you will help us, so that the countries in which we are mutually interested may once again take their places in the community of the civilised peoples of the world.[20][21][22]

As'ad Shukeiri, a Muslim scholar ('alim) of the Acre area, and the father of PLO founder Ahmad Shukeiri, has rejected the values of the Palestinian Arab national movement and was opposed to the anti-Zionist movement. He met routinely with Zionist officials and had a part in every pro-Zionist Arab organization from the beginning of the British Mandate, publicly rejecting Mohammad Amin al-Husayni's use of Islam to attack Zionism.


The president of the Muslim National Associations and the mayor of Haifa, Hassan Bey Shukri, voiced support for the Balfour Declaration and for Zionist immigration to British Mandate Palestine.[25]
In the 1920s, the Muslim National Associations was established by Muslim Arabs who were employed by the Palestine Zionist Executive. The president of the Muslim National Associations and the mayor of Haifa, Hassan Bey Shukri, has founded the organization with Sheikh Musa Hadeib from the village of Dawaymeh near Hebron and head of the farmers' party of Mt. Hebron.

In July 1921, Shukri sent a telegram to the British government, declaring support for the Balfour Declaration and Zionist immigration to British Mandate Palestine:

We strongly protest against the attitude of the said delegation concerning the Zionist question. We do not consider the Jewish people as an enemy whose wish is to crush us. On the contrary. We consider the Jews as a brotherly people sharing our joys and troubles and helping us in the construction of our common country.[25]

In 1929, Hadeib was murdered in Jerusalem, supposedly for his collaboration with the Zionists.

In the late 1930s, Amir Abdullah, ruler of Transjordan, and the pro-Hashemite leader of Syria, Abd al-Rahman Shahabandar, offered the Zionists to create a Jewish autonomy in Palestine under the Transjordanian throne, although they did not propose an independent Jewish state.

 

[Andylusion]

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

They were chosen to show us the way
to show us how to treat the stranger
to show us how to be compassionate
to show us how to be loving to your neighbor
to show us by their example
&
peace would then envelope the world​

Did God make the right choice and if so how and if not; why not?
just asking

I think you miss understand the purpose. It isn't about the Jews. It's about G-d. It is G-d showing his power. A people group, scattered to all the nations, that came back into the land G-d has given them, reunited with a common faith, language, and culture.

The entire point of the Bible, from beginning to end, is not how amazing human beings are. It's how amazing G-d is. The nations of the Earth have been trying to snuff out the Jews for thousands of years. Yet here they are, just as G-d said they would be, in that land, just as G-d said they would, faithfully following the old testament and speaking their own language, just as G-d said.

You keep pointing at them, like they are supposed to be a perfect example of what a human should be. That's not it. The only perfect example, was Jesus Christ.

They are an example of the power of G-d, and the prophecies of the Bible coming true.

 

[Roudy]

Modern times
A number of Muslim groups that have histories of conflict with Arabs, including Kurdsand Berbers, have also voiced support for Israel and Zionism.[29] Ramin H. Artin, of the Kurdish-American Education Society, argues that the creation of Israel has been "a thorn in the eye of fascists who would rather eliminate the Jewish state". He concluded that an Israeli-Kurdish alliance is "natural", and that sincere mutual respect and recognition of each other's rights can lead to peace and prosperity.[30]

Palazzi noted that although in present days support for Israel among Muslims is a minority orientation, there are some exceptions, such as former President of Indonesia and leader of Nahdlatul Ulama, Shaykh Abdurrahman Wahid, and the Grand Mufti of the Russian Federation, Shaykh Talgat Tajuddin, the Mufti of European Russia, Shaykh Salman Farid, who wrote a fatwa against the intifadah. According to Palazzi, more examples for Pro-Israeli Muslim clerics are the Muftis of Chechnya, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.

 

[member]

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

They were chosen to show us the way
to show us how to treat the stranger
to show us how to be compassionate
to show us how to be loving to your neighbor
to show us by their example
&
peace would then envelope the world​

Did God make the right choice and if so how and if not; why not?
just asking

oooh. Eco, I mean....'watching from afar" - you're such a skutch.....asking stuff - in the same way you like to [ask] and suggest and TWIST things.



you're such a nazi.

..and to suggest we should read some story that exonerates al qUaeda from culpability of 9/11...

... no difference to me between you and them. so---all of you "al qUaeda didn't do it" assholes and al qUaeda themselves..."

May God have mercy on your rotted souls......

 

[Shusha]

The relationship between the Jewish people and G-d is between the Jewish people and G-d. It is no one else's business.

Except for that fact that many wars were fought over this with hundreds of thousands dying because of this

Why do you choose to use the passive voice? "Many wars were fought over this". No. Various people invaded the land of the Jewish people. Various people conquered them. Various people ethnically cleansed them from their land. Various people persecuted them, committed pogroms against them, restricted their activity and labelled them as evil. Various people committed genocides against them. Various people denied them human rights to life and freedom and nationality and equality. Various people introduced concepts of replacement theology, usurped their holy sites, their stories, their religious concepts and their history. Various peoples tried to convert them on pain of death.

You are trying to make it into mutual combat. There is no mutuality to this.

Absolutely ZERO wars were fought over the relationship between the Jewish people and G-d. And the Jewish people have instigated no wars against anyone. In three thousand years of history. Here's an idea. How about if the world just leaves the Jewish people alone for the first time in history?

 

[Shusha]

And the KJV translation is lacking.

I want the world Jewish community to call upon the Jewish Israeli people to ask the Lord for forgiveness and repent for their sins and proclaiming the Palestinians as one of their own, children of God just as their children are.

Am I asking too much?

Ooooh. What a fun game?! Can we all play? Or is it just for the Joooooooooos?

 

[Mindful]

And the KJV translation is lacking.

I want the world Jewish community to call upon the Jewish Israeli people to ask the Lord for forgiveness and repent for their sins and proclaiming the Palestinians as one of their own, children of God just as their children are.

Am I asking too much?

Ooooh. What a fun game?! Can we all play? Or is it just for the Joooooooooos?

Sounds like it's for twits.

 

[there4eyeM]

"They" are setting a very human example, which is all they can do.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Or just more Joo baiting?

I tried using google for the word "Joo" and it said--- "does not exist"

 

[watchingfromafar]

Even your own Koran says confirms the story of exodus and the Jewish people

Does it also confirm "passover"?

 

[Mindful]

Or just more Joo baiting?

I tried using google for the word "Joo" and it said--- "does not exist"

Don't be silly.

 

[Humanity]

They are an example of the power of G-d, and the prophecies of the Bible coming true.

Is like saying Harry Potter is going to come true!

 

[Mindful]

They are an example of the power of G-d, and the prophecies of the Bible coming true.

Is like saying Harry Potter is going to come true!

No it isn't.

 

[Humanity]

They are an example of the power of G-d, and the prophecies of the Bible coming true.

Is like saying Harry Potter is going to come true!

No it isn't.

Well, let's look at the facts....

Bible - Work of fiction
Harry Potter The philosopher's Stone - Work of fiction

Voila!

Unless of course you believe Harry Potter is REAL?

 

[Mindful]

They are an example of the power of G-d, and the prophecies of the Bible coming true.

Is like saying Harry Potter is going to come true!

No it isn't.

Well, let's look at the facts....

Bible - Work of fiction
Harry Potter The philosopher's Stone - Work of fiction

Voila!

Unless of course you believe Harry Potter is REAL?

Unless I believe you're a bit of a troll.

 

[night_son]

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

They were chosen to show us the way
to show us how to treat the stranger
to show us how to be compassionate
to show us how to be loving to your neighbor
to show us by their example
&
peace would then envelope the world​

Did God make the right choice and if so how and if not; why not?
just asking

While I voted "Yes", it's not a matter of God choosing anything beyond a people to champion at the time, more a matter of mortal humans choosing to do things in the name of their survival and defense of the spot they occupy and call home. God gave us life, free will and guidance; what we mortals choose to do with that is on us, not Him.

 

[Linkiloo]

"They" appear to have god on their side. Despite attempts to destroy them, they prosper and grow. Not much more to be said.