Global Warming: Admit it's a problem!

[healthmyths]

Oh whatever... Global warming causes massive cold.

It causes weakening of the Jet Streams allowing polar vortexes to move south for longer. Yes.

And hundreds of wind turbines in Texas/Iowa may have been interfering with wind currents.
Wind farms can alter the nearby rainfall and temperature, suggesting a need for more comprehensive studies of future energy systems
Wind Power Found to Affect Local Climate

It's just the sad reality that you cannot get something from nothing.

For sure. There truly has never been an activity that could get something from nothing...unless you are God.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Oh dear God, Cyrpto. When it comes out of their own mouths that you are being taken for a ride, please listen. Please. We were hemorrhaging money before Trump stopped it.

Listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?
"We redistribute de facto < in reality, the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer

.

Free yourself. The sun determines our weather. Not the UN.

 

[CryptoNinja]

"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," -- IPCC

Cite the page number please.

Flashback: UN IPCC official admits UN seeks to ‘redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy’

They didn't cite the actual page number either.
What's wrong with you people?

 

[CryptoNinja]

Oh dear God, Cyrpto. When it comes out of their own mouths that you are being taken for a ride, please listen. Please. We were hemorrhaging money before Trump stopped it.

Listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?
"We redistribute de facto < in reality, the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer

.

Free yourself. The sun determines our weather. Not the UN.

You just quote garbage, that's the problem. You believe there's a conspiracy, ridiculous.

 

[MarathonMike]

Global Warming deniers dwell in their obfuscation and whattaboutism. "What about a solution"?

The simple fact is they are obstructionists who deny there's a problem to begin with.

But they can't explain why there is no problem, they can't confront the chemical and physical properties of Carbon in the atmosphere, so they just deny there's a problem, and when the going gets tough they just blame the solution as being agenda-driven or wrong and never once address the fact, THERE IS A PROBLEM.

If your country is polluting the air, then your country should try to reduce that. If your country is polluting the Oceans with garbage, your country should try to reduce that.

Stop trying to prove the impossible-to-prove theory of AGW and FOCUS ON REDUCING POLLUTION.

That is a good thing for your country and the world and there is no disagreement that POLLUTION is bad. However, there is totally valid disagreement that human caused pollution is the PRIMARY CAUSE of "Climate Change". Do you understand or do I need to simplify it further?

 

[CryptoNinja]

Oh dear God, Cyrpto. When it comes out of their own mouths that you are being taken for a ride, please listen. Please. We were hemorrhaging money before Trump stopped it.

Listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?
"We redistribute de facto < in reality, the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer

.

Free yourself. The sun determines our weather. Not the UN.

Oh and do you have some proof the sun "determines our weather" (mean climate?).

Of course it is the energy source, but it isn't the only contribution.

 

[CryptoNinja]

Global Warming deniers dwell in their obfuscation and whattaboutism. "What about a solution"?

The simple fact is they are obstructionists who deny there's a problem to begin with.

But they can't explain why there is no problem, they can't confront the chemical and physical properties of Carbon in the atmosphere, so they just deny there's a problem, and when the going gets tough they just blame the solution as being agenda-driven or wrong and never once address the fact, THERE IS A PROBLEM.

If your country is polluting the air, then your country should try to reduce that. If your country is polluting the Oceans with garbage, your country should try to reduce that.

Stop trying to prove the impossible-to-prove theory of AGW and FOCUS ON REDUCING POLLUTION.

That is a good thing for your country and the world and there is no disagreement that POLLUTION is bad. However, there is totally valid disagreement that human caused pollution is the PRIMARY CAUSE of "Climate Change". Do you understand or do I need to simplify it further?

It's not impossible to prove that Global Warming is a problem.

It starts with the basic PHYSICAL property of CO2.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Global Warming deniers dwell in their obfuscation and whattaboutism. "What about a solution"?

The simple fact is they are obstructionists who deny there's a problem to begin with.

But they can't explain why there is no problem, they can't confront the chemical and physical properties of Carbon in the atmosphere, so they just deny there's a problem, and when the going gets tough they just blame the solution as being agenda-driven or wrong and never once address the fact, THERE IS A PROBLEM.

The only people I see is you when you were asleep in the 2nd grade , when you know they were talking about dinosaurs and ice ages, your AGW propaganda don't fly here Naomi Klein want to be.

 

[martybegan]

Oh whatever... Global warming causes massive cold.

It causes weakening of the Jet Streams allowing polar vortexes to move south for longer. Yes.

And hundreds of wind turbines in Texas/Iowa may have been interfering with wind currents.
Wind farms can alter the nearby rainfall and temperature, suggesting a need for more comprehensive studies of future energy systems
Wind Power Found to Affect Local Climate

It's just the sad reality that you cannot get something from nothing.

For sure. There truly has never been an activity that could get something from nothing...unless you are God.

Well technically he has to deal with the devil, so even there is a price.

 

[CryptoNinja]

Global Warming deniers dwell in their obfuscation and whattaboutism. "What about a solution"?

The simple fact is they are obstructionists who deny there's a problem to begin with.

But they can't explain why there is no problem, they can't confront the chemical and physical properties of Carbon in the atmosphere, so they just deny there's a problem, and when the going gets tough they just blame the solution as being agenda-driven or wrong and never once address the fact, THERE IS A PROBLEM.

The only people I see is you when you were asleep in the 2nd grade , when you know they were talking about dinosaurs and ice ages, your AGW propaganda don't fly here Naomi Klein want to be.

You're not an authority on the subject.

 

[CryptoNinja]

Oh whatever... Global warming causes massive cold.

It causes weakening of the Jet Streams allowing polar vortexes to move south for longer. Yes.

And hundreds of wind turbines in Texas/Iowa may have been interfering with wind currents.
Wind farms can alter the nearby rainfall and temperature, suggesting a need for more comprehensive studies of future energy systems
Wind Power Found to Affect Local Climate

It's just the sad reality that you cannot get something from nothing.

For sure. There truly has never been an activity that could get something from nothing...unless you are God.

Well technically he has to deal with the devil, so even there is a price.

No he doesn't.

 

[emilynghiem]

Oh whatever... Global warming causes massive cold.

Yes Soggy in NOLA how this was explained from the very beginning,
was that changes are going to cause GREATER EXTREMES of both Hot AND Cold.
That was never a question, but was always presented
when this issue was first brought up, early on. I remember reading an explanation in print, I think it was in a newspaper, way in advance of the bigger hype it grew into, where it was explained
as leading to more extremes in both high and low temperatures.

What you can contest is that it isn't necessary to agree on anything to do with "global warming or climate change"
to focus on conservation of resources, clean energy, and reduction of waste, emissions and pollution.

We can argue that more climate changes or effects are from NATURAL causes,
and a very small % can be changed by humans.

That doesn't change the fact we should stop destroying forest ecosystems and wildlife, that can never be replaced, and just grow our own trees if we want to keep consuming them. That's just common sense!

I can totally disagree with Global Alarmists, and still agree that we need to clean up
the garbage patches of millions of tons of plastic shreds killing ocean life.

We don't have to have these debates or arguments at all,
to focus on things that make a difference to people and the environment
that are critical.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Oh dear God, Cyrpto. When it comes out of their own mouths that you are being taken for a ride, please listen. Please. We were hemorrhaging money before Trump stopped it.

Listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?
"We redistribute de facto < in reality, the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer

.

Free yourself. The sun determines our weather. Not the UN.

You just quote garbage, that's the problem. You believe there's a conspiracy, ridiculous.

Again:
Listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer

^ Since that man is responsible for handing out our hard earned cash, I bet he knows more about "climate change" than you do.
Free yourself...

 

[Wyatt earp]

"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," -- IPCC

Cite the page number please.

Common knowledge, Naomi klein want to be..

 

[Wyatt earp]

"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," -- IPCC

Cite the page number please.

Flashback: UN IPCC official admits UN seeks to ‘redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy’

They didn't cite the actual page number either.
What's wrong with you people?

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare


Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare

3/29/2016


Fraud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of spreading fright, they haven’t been so good at hiding their real motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst driving the climate scare.

We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different.


If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:


“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.

For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

Mad as they are, Edenhofer’s comments are nevertheless consistent with other alarmists who have spilled the movement’s dirty secret. Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.

“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

The plan is to allow Third World countries to emit as much carbon dioxide as they wish — because, as Edenhofer said, “in order to get rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas” — while at the same time restricting emissions in advanced nations. This will, of course, choke economic growth in developed nations, but they deserve that fate as they “have basicallyexpropriated the atmosphere of the world community,” he said. The fanaticism runs so deep that one professor has even suggested that we need to plunge ourselves into a depression to fight global warming.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Oh dear God, Cyrpto. When it comes out of their own mouths that you are being taken for a ride, please listen. Please. We were hemorrhaging money before Trump stopped it.

Listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?
"We redistribute de facto < in reality, the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer

.

Free yourself. The sun determines our weather. Not the UN.

Oh and do you have some proof the sun "determines our weather" (mean climate?).

Of course it is the energy source, but it isn't the only contribution.

Are you kidding? Are you 7?
Google, Solar Minimum and Solar Maximum and educate yourself. It is why they had to change the old, "global warming" scheme to "climate change". The solar flaring is waning. We will go into the cooling stage next.

The very people that you have been led to believe, are saying to you that burning coal is necessary to succeed. How does sending our coal to Asia, so they can succeed, help the ozone layer??

 

[Wyatt earp]

Naomi Klein admits it her book, ya know the AGE cult member that's the popes advisor?




Naomi Klein's Own Form of Climate Change Denial: Blame Capitalism



"Meeting science-based [carbon] targets will mean forcing some of the most profitable companies on the planet to forfeit trillions of dollars of future earnings by leaving the vast majority of fossil fuel reserves in the ground. It will also require coming up with trillions more to pay for zero-carbon, disaster-ready societal transformations... if climate justice carries the day, the economic costs to our elites will be real."

 

[Wyatt earp]

Global Warming deniers dwell in their obfuscation and whattaboutism. "What about a solution"?

The simple fact is they are obstructionists who deny there's a problem to begin with.

But they can't explain why there is no problem, they can't confront the chemical and physical properties of Carbon in the atmosphere, so they just deny there's a problem, and when the going gets tough they just blame the solution as being agenda-driven or wrong and never once address the fact, THERE IS A PROBLEM.

The only people I see is you when you were asleep in the 2nd grade , when you know they were talking about dinosaurs and ice ages, your AGW propaganda don't fly here Naomi Klein want to be.

You're not an authority on the subject.

Been studying it since I could start reading in the early 1970s, popular science, popular mechanics and all the rest .

 

[flacaltenn]

Global Warming deniers dwell in their obfuscation and whattaboutism. "What about a solution"?

The simple fact is they are obstructionists who deny there's a problem to begin with.

But they can't explain why there is no problem, they can't confront the chemical and physical properties of Carbon in the atmosphere, so they just deny there's a problem, and when the going gets tough they just blame the solution as being agenda-driven or wrong and never once address the fact, THERE IS A PROBLEM.

Not at all. I thoroughly support GHouse theory. and accept that the Earth has experienced minor warming in the past 100 hundred years or so.. Even give you that a fraction of the warming we've measured is probably due to GH gas emissions.

Don't worry about what I know about CC/GW -- worry about the depth of YOUR knowledge and how much misrepresented and exaggerated claims you've consumed from the media and public policy folks.

The parts I'm skeptical about are all the CATASTROPHIC theories that ride on TOP of all this hype. Like all the net positive feedbacks, accelerations, and "trigger temps" that have not been empirically witnessed in the 30 years this circus has come to town. Or all the exaggerated and FAILED CATASTROPHIC predictions that you're probably not even aware of.

What's the newest projected temp anomaly for 2100 these days anyway? What's the recent bad advice on the MAGNITUDE of "this problem" ??

 

[flacaltenn]

Oh whatever... Global warming causes massive cold.

Yes Soggy in NOLA how this was explained from the very beginning,
was that changes are going to cause GREATER EXTREMES of both Hot AND Cold.
That was never a question, but was always presented
when this issue was first brought up, early on. I remember reading an explanation in print, I think it was in a newspaper, way in advance of the bigger hype it grew into, where it was explained
as leading to more extremes in both high and low temperatures.

What you can contest is that it isn't necessary to agree on anything to do with "global warming or climate change"
to focus on conservation of resources, clean energy, and reduction of waste, emissions and pollution.

We can argue that more climate changes or effects are from NATURAL causes,
and a very small % can be changed by humans.

That doesn't change the fact we should stop destroying forest ecosystems and wildlife, that can never be replaced, and just grow our own trees if we want to keep consuming them. That's just common sense!

I can totally disagree with Global Alarmists, and still agree that we need to clean up
the garbage patches of millions of tons of plastic shreds killing ocean life.

We don't have to have these debates or arguments at all,
to focus on things that make a difference to people and the environment
that are critical.

In fact -- the hype and FEAR that have been served up on GW/CC has virtually KILLED every other Enviro issue for decades now.. If it's not related to CO2 -- it doesn't get covered. LIKE the pollution of the oceans or the nuclear waste mess at the US nuclear weapons plants. Or propagation of antibiotics/steroids into our food chain.

All have been DOOMED by the GW three ring circus..