Giving thanks... for capitalism

[PaintMyHouse]

Government is a tool, and in this case a compromise. Children, meaning you, don't know how to use tools or compromise. That's why you reject the obvious, obvious to adults that is...

You are the tool. I don't compromise principles. That you do shows you have none.

Really? Does your small government also include banning abortion and gay marriage? I bet that it does.

Politics is the art of compromise, and healthy capitalism both good government and good regulation. Learn it.

Liar, you don't advocate liberals "compromise," only Republicans. Your only question is how much will they give you by choice and how much do you take by force.

Nope my little man, all must compromise, for things to work that is. Not something your side is any good at anymore. That's because you call strength weakness. Like most things, you have life backwards.

So Junior, give me an example of what Democrat "compromise" is an example of what you want Republicans to do?

Welfare reform, Immigration reform, healthcare reform, for starters, all of which are not what they should be, not even close, but they are compromises.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

What is the role of government, if not to make laws and enforce those laws?

Can you maybe bring your question down from 50K feet to where there's an actual point I can address?

He could put it at the 5ft level, and you'd still be clueless.

Yes, I still am not clicking with that you two geniuses would make better choices over my life than I do. My bad. That government will solve our problems for us by removing choice is upon examination the idiocy that it appears to be at first blush.

The government limits your choices, even makes some for you, and after that it's up to you. What part of this don't you get, or are you just one of those Ayn Rand kids who wants to do whatever they want all the damn time, the kind who thinks society doesn't exist and being selfish is moral?

Yes, Junior, the my choices are anarchy or Marxism bit again. That never gets old. Damn you people are intelligent.

Tell me again how you're smarter than Republicans because you're not black and white like they are, lol.

You don't understand your choices, or how you even make them. You are a pile of dogma, nothing more.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I left kindergarten a long time ago.

You should go back, you didn't learn anything.

And just screaming Socialism at everything you don't understand doesn't make you a grownup.

 

[kaz]

No, what i said is exactly right. Capitalism is not just good, and it's not just bad either. Like any tool it's how you use it. You guys love all the goodies but you try to dismiss the sludge created. In the world that's not how it works.

That makes no sense.

Of course it makes no sense to you because you have no idea what capitalism actually is, and your post clearly shows that. Learn it instead of repeating the propaganda you've swallowed.

You're an idiot, I'm not the one who doesn't know what I am talking about. You think capitalism operates best under socialism, for you to lecture anyone is classic.

Capitalism is possible only with good government and regulation. Neither has anything to do with Socialism. If you had even the most basic understanding of capitalism you'd know that.

Your normal contentless hand waving, Junior. I'm not an anarchist, idiot. You just said nothing.

 

[kaz]

You are the tool. I don't compromise principles. That you do shows you have none.

Really? Does your small government also include banning abortion and gay marriage? I bet that it does.

Politics is the art of compromise, and healthy capitalism both good government and good regulation. Learn it.

Liar, you don't advocate liberals "compromise," only Republicans. Your only question is how much will they give you by choice and how much do you take by force.

Nope my little man, all must compromise, for things to work that is. Not something your side is any good at anymore. That's because you call strength weakness. Like most things, you have life backwards.

So Junior, give me an example of what Democrat "compromise" is an example of what you want Republicans to do?

Welfare reform, Immigration reform, healthcare reform, for starters, all of which are not what they should be, not even close, but they are compromises.

That isn't an answer.

Welfare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Immigration reform - he offered Republicans what?

Healthcare reform - He offered Republicans what?

 

[Mustang]

We still hear the whines and fears of liberals who believe that an entire nation full of people working mostly for their own good, can never coalesce to form a nation where the good of all is overall increased steadily, day after day, year after year.

Available evidence indicates otherwise. 200 years' worth.

A timely reprint, slightly updated.

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Jeff Jacoby
Giving thanks for Capitalism

by Jeff Jacoby
Nov. 27, 2003

Today, in millions of homes across the nation, God will be thanked for many gifts — for the feast on the table and the company of loved ones, for health and good fortune in the year gone by, for peace at home in a time of war, for the incalculable privilege of having been born — or having become — American.

But it probably won't occur to too many of us to give thanks for the fact that the local supermarket had plenty of turkey for sale this week. Even the devout aren't likely to thank God for airline schedules that made it possible for some of those loved ones to fly home for Thanksgiving. Or for the arrival of "Twilight Saga, Part 2" at the local movie theater in time for the holiday weekend. Or for that great cranberry-apple pie recipe in the food section of the newspaper.

Those things we take more or less for granted. It hardly takes a miracle to explain why grocery stores stock up on turkey before Thanksgiving, or why Hollywood releases big movies in time for big holidays. That's what they do. Where is God in that?

And yet, isn't there something wondrous — something almost inexplicable — in the way your Thanksgiving weekend is made possible by the skill and labor of vast numbers of total strangers?

To bring that turkey to the dining room table, for example, required the efforts of thousands of people — the poultry farmers who raised the birds, of course, but also the feed distributors who supplied their nourishment and the truckers who brought it to the farm, not to mention the architect who designed the hatchery, the workmen who built it, and the technicians who keep it running. The bird had to be slaughtered and defeathered and inspected and transported and unloaded and wrapped and priced and displayed. The people who accomplished those tasks were supported in turn by armies of other people accomplishing other tasks — from refining the gasoline that fueled the trucks to manufacturing the plastic in which the meat was wrapped.

The activities of countless far-flung men and women over the course of many months had to be intricately choreographed and precisely timed, so that when you showed up to buy a fresh Thanksgiving turkey, there would be one — or more likely, a couple dozen — waiting. The level of coordination required to pull it off is mind-boggling. But what is even more mind-boggling is this: No one coordinated it.

No turkey czar sat in a command post somewhere, consulting a master plan. No one rode herd on all those people, forcing them to cooperate for your benefit. And yet they did cooperate. When you arrived at the supermarket, your turkey was there. You didn't have to do anything but show up to buy it. If that isn't a miracle, what should we call it?

Adam Smith called it "the invisible hand" — the mysterious power that leads innumerable people, each working for his own gain, to promote ends that benefit many. Out of the seeming chaos of millions of uncoordinated private transactions emerges the spontaneous order of the market. Free human beings freely interact, and the result is an array of goods and services more immense than the human mind can comprehend. No dictator, no bureaucracy, no supercomputer plans it in advance. Indeed, the more an economy is planned, the more it is plagued by shortages, dislocation, and failure.

It is commonplace to speak of seeing God's signature in the intricacy of a spider's web or the animation of a beehive. But they pale in comparison to the kaleidoscopic energy and productivity of the free market. If it is a blessing from Heaven when seeds are transformed into grain, how much more of a blessing is it when our private, voluntary exchanges are transformed — without our ever intending it — into prosperity, innovation, and growth?

The social order of freedom, like the wealth and the progress it makes possible, is an extraordinary gift from above. On this Thanksgiving Day and every day, may we be grateful.

News Flash: God didn't create capitalism!

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No, what i said is exactly right. Capitalism is not just good, and it's not just bad either. Like any tool it's how you use it. You guys love all the goodies but you try to dismiss the sludge created. In the world that's not how it works.

That makes no sense.

Of course it makes no sense to you because you have no idea what capitalism actually is, and your post clearly shows that. Learn it instead of repeating the propaganda you've swallowed.

You're an idiot, I'm not the one who doesn't know what I am talking about. You think capitalism operates best under socialism, for you to lecture anyone is classic.

Capitalism is possible only with good government and regulation. Neither has anything to do with Socialism. If you had even the most basic understanding of capitalism you'd know that.

Your normal contentless hand waving, Junior. I'm not an anarchist, idiot. You just said nothing.

You have no idea what capitalism is. Just run along now and pull your Drama Queen act on someone else.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Really? Does your small government also include banning abortion and gay marriage? I bet that it does.

Politics is the art of compromise, and healthy capitalism both good government and good regulation. Learn it.

Liar, you don't advocate liberals "compromise," only Republicans. Your only question is how much will they give you by choice and how much do you take by force.

Nope my little man, all must compromise, for things to work that is. Not something your side is any good at anymore. That's because you call strength weakness. Like most things, you have life backwards.

So Junior, give me an example of what Democrat "compromise" is an example of what you want Republicans to do?

Welfare reform, Immigration reform, healthcare reform, for starters, all of which are not what they should be, not even close, but they are compromises.

That isn't an answer.

Welfare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Immigration reform - he offered Republicans what?

Healthcare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Who is he? You asked for examples of Democratic compromise, and I gave them to you.

 

[kaz]

Can you maybe bring your question down from 50K feet to where there's an actual point I can address?

He could put it at the 5ft level, and you'd still be clueless.

Yes, I still am not clicking with that you two geniuses would make better choices over my life than I do. My bad. That government will solve our problems for us by removing choice is upon examination the idiocy that it appears to be at first blush.

The government limits your choices, even makes some for you, and after that it's up to you. What part of this don't you get, or are you just one of those Ayn Rand kids who wants to do whatever they want all the damn time, the kind who thinks society doesn't exist and being selfish is moral?

Yes, Junior, the my choices are anarchy or Marxism bit again. That never gets old. Damn you people are intelligent.

Tell me again how you're smarter than Republicans because you're not black and white like they are, lol.

You don't understand your choices, or how you even make them. You are a pile of dogma, nothing more.

Wanting government to not take away my free choices is "dogma?" And you think that's an intelligent reply, Junior?

All you keep arguing is there should be government. I keep saying yes, and what it should do. Provide civil and criminal remediation for wrongs. You just keep stating you want regulation sans content what that means.

 

[kaz]

That makes no sense.

Of course it makes no sense to you because you have no idea what capitalism actually is, and your post clearly shows that. Learn it instead of repeating the propaganda you've swallowed.

You're an idiot, I'm not the one who doesn't know what I am talking about. You think capitalism operates best under socialism, for you to lecture anyone is classic.

Capitalism is possible only with good government and regulation. Neither has anything to do with Socialism. If you had even the most basic understanding of capitalism you'd know that.

Your normal contentless hand waving, Junior. I'm not an anarchist, idiot. You just said nothing.

You have no idea what capitalism is. Just run along now and pull your Drama Queen act on someone else.

Drama Queen, lol, from the guy in drag.

 

[kaz]

Liar, you don't advocate liberals "compromise," only Republicans. Your only question is how much will they give you by choice and how much do you take by force.

Nope my little man, all must compromise, for things to work that is. Not something your side is any good at anymore. That's because you call strength weakness. Like most things, you have life backwards.

So Junior, give me an example of what Democrat "compromise" is an example of what you want Republicans to do?

Welfare reform, Immigration reform, healthcare reform, for starters, all of which are not what they should be, not even close, but they are compromises.

That isn't an answer.

Welfare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Immigration reform - he offered Republicans what?

Healthcare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Who is he? You asked for examples of Democratic compromise, and I gave them to you.

Obama obviously simpleton.

You named broad issues, those aren't Democratic offers of compromise. What did the Democrats offer the Republicans? That was the question, Junior. How stupid are you?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

He could put it at the 5ft level, and you'd still be clueless.

Yes, I still am not clicking with that you two geniuses would make better choices over my life than I do. My bad. That government will solve our problems for us by removing choice is upon examination the idiocy that it appears to be at first blush.

The government limits your choices, even makes some for you, and after that it's up to you. What part of this don't you get, or are you just one of those Ayn Rand kids who wants to do whatever they want all the damn time, the kind who thinks society doesn't exist and being selfish is moral?

Yes, Junior, the my choices are anarchy or Marxism bit again. That never gets old. Damn you people are intelligent.

Tell me again how you're smarter than Republicans because you're not black and white like they are, lol.

You don't understand your choices, or how you even make them. You are a pile of dogma, nothing more.

Wanting government to not take away my free choices is "dogma?" And you think that's an intelligent reply, Junior?

All you keep arguing is there should be government. I keep saying yes, and what it should do. Provide civil and criminal remediation for wrongs. You just keep stating you want regulation sans content what that means.

Regulation is required, and you thinking capitalism is freedom is the dogma. Just because you want to be a child and do as you like doesn't mean the real world works that way.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Nope my little man, all must compromise, for things to work that is. Not something your side is any good at anymore. That's because you call strength weakness. Like most things, you have life backwards.

So Junior, give me an example of what Democrat "compromise" is an example of what you want Republicans to do?

Welfare reform, Immigration reform, healthcare reform, for starters, all of which are not what they should be, not even close, but they are compromises.

That isn't an answer.

Welfare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Immigration reform - he offered Republicans what?

Healthcare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Who is he? You asked for examples of Democratic compromise, and I gave them to you.

Obama obviously simpleton.

You named broad issues, those aren't Democratic offers of compromise. What did the Democrats offer the Republicans? That was the question, Junior. How stupid are you?

I'm not here to state who offered what. All three issues were compromises. Play your partisan crap with someone else.

 

[kaz]

Yes, I still am not clicking with that you two geniuses would make better choices over my life than I do. My bad. That government will solve our problems for us by removing choice is upon examination the idiocy that it appears to be at first blush.

The government limits your choices, even makes some for you, and after that it's up to you. What part of this don't you get, or are you just one of those Ayn Rand kids who wants to do whatever they want all the damn time, the kind who thinks society doesn't exist and being selfish is moral?

Yes, Junior, the my choices are anarchy or Marxism bit again. That never gets old. Damn you people are intelligent.

Tell me again how you're smarter than Republicans because you're not black and white like they are, lol.

You don't understand your choices, or how you even make them. You are a pile of dogma, nothing more.

Wanting government to not take away my free choices is "dogma?" And you think that's an intelligent reply, Junior?

All you keep arguing is there should be government. I keep saying yes, and what it should do. Provide civil and criminal remediation for wrongs. You just keep stating you want regulation sans content what that means.

Regulation is required, and you thinking capitalism is freedom is the dogma. Just because you want to be a child and do as you like doesn't mean the real world works that way.

Since you're obviously not going to answer any questions or back up any of your claims, just repeat your shallow talking points, I will at this point just point that out and move on. I'll leave you to your empty head and empty pants. Good day.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Of course it makes no sense to you because you have no idea what capitalism actually is, and your post clearly shows that. Learn it instead of repeating the propaganda you've swallowed.

You're an idiot, I'm not the one who doesn't know what I am talking about. You think capitalism operates best under socialism, for you to lecture anyone is classic.

Capitalism is possible only with good government and regulation. Neither has anything to do with Socialism. If you had even the most basic understanding of capitalism you'd know that.

Your normal contentless hand waving, Junior. I'm not an anarchist, idiot. You just said nothing.

You have no idea what capitalism is. Just run along now and pull your Drama Queen act on someone else.

Drama Queen, lol, from the guy in drag.

Faggot jokes, love 'em. Keep going little man.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The government limits your choices, even makes some for you, and after that it's up to you. What part of this don't you get, or are you just one of those Ayn Rand kids who wants to do whatever they want all the damn time, the kind who thinks society doesn't exist and being selfish is moral?

Yes, Junior, the my choices are anarchy or Marxism bit again. That never gets old. Damn you people are intelligent.

Tell me again how you're smarter than Republicans because you're not black and white like they are, lol.

You don't understand your choices, or how you even make them. You are a pile of dogma, nothing more.

Wanting government to not take away my free choices is "dogma?" And you think that's an intelligent reply, Junior?

All you keep arguing is there should be government. I keep saying yes, and what it should do. Provide civil and criminal remediation for wrongs. You just keep stating you want regulation sans content what that means.

Regulation is required, and you thinking capitalism is freedom is the dogma. Just because you want to be a child and do as you like doesn't mean the real world works that way.

Since you're obviously not going to answer any questions or back up any of your claims, just repeat your shallow talking points, I will at this point just point that out and move on. I'll leave you to your empty head and empty pants. Good day.

Schoolyard jokes as well. Wonderful, you're real man's man I see...

 

[kaz]

So Junior, give me an example of what Democrat "compromise" is an example of what you want Republicans to do?

Welfare reform, Immigration reform, healthcare reform, for starters, all of which are not what they should be, not even close, but they are compromises.

That isn't an answer.

Welfare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Immigration reform - he offered Republicans what?

Healthcare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Who is he? You asked for examples of Democratic compromise, and I gave them to you.

Obama obviously simpleton.

You named broad issues, those aren't Democratic offers of compromise. What did the Democrats offer the Republicans? That was the question, Junior. How stupid are you?

I'm not here to state who offered what. All three issues were compromises. Play your partisan crap with someone else.

Just to repeat, you only named issues making a ridiculously unsupported claim that Democrats offered compromises. Compromises you can't name, Junior. Again, this is the end of this pointless conversation as all are with you, but I'm again pointing out your complete dearth of intelligence and manhood.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Welfare reform, Immigration reform, healthcare reform, for starters, all of which are not what they should be, not even close, but they are compromises.

That isn't an answer.

Welfare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Immigration reform - he offered Republicans what?

Healthcare reform - He offered Republicans what?

Who is he? You asked for examples of Democratic compromise, and I gave them to you.

Obama obviously simpleton.

You named broad issues, those aren't Democratic offers of compromise. What did the Democrats offer the Republicans? That was the question, Junior. How stupid are you?

I'm not here to state who offered what. All three issues were compromises. Play your partisan crap with someone else.

Just to repeat, you only named issues making a ridiculously unsupported claim that Democrats offered compromises. Compromises you can't name, Junior. Again, this is the end of this pointless conversation as all are with you, but I'm again pointing out your complete dearth of intelligence and manhood.

Go research some more faggot jokes little man.

 

[bripat9643]

We still hear the whines and fears of liberals who believe that an entire nation full of people working mostly for their own good, can never coalesce to form a nation where the good of all is overall increased steadily, day after day, year after year.

Available evidence indicates otherwise. 200 years' worth.

A timely reprint, slightly updated.

----------------------------------

Jeff Jacoby
Giving thanks for Capitalism

by Jeff Jacoby
Nov. 27, 2003

Today, in millions of homes across the nation, God will be thanked for many gifts — for the feast on the table and the company of loved ones, for health and good fortune in the year gone by, for peace at home in a time of war, for the incalculable privilege of having been born — or having become — American.

But it probably won't occur to too many of us to give thanks for the fact that the local supermarket had plenty of turkey for sale this week. Even the devout aren't likely to thank God for airline schedules that made it possible for some of those loved ones to fly home for Thanksgiving. Or for the arrival of "Twilight Saga, Part 2" at the local movie theater in time for the holiday weekend. Or for that great cranberry-apple pie recipe in the food section of the newspaper.

Those things we take more or less for granted. It hardly takes a miracle to explain why grocery stores stock up on turkey before Thanksgiving, or why Hollywood releases big movies in time for big holidays. That's what they do. Where is God in that?

And yet, isn't there something wondrous — something almost inexplicable — in the way your Thanksgiving weekend is made possible by the skill and labor of vast numbers of total strangers?

To bring that turkey to the dining room table, for example, required the efforts of thousands of people — the poultry farmers who raised the birds, of course, but also the feed distributors who supplied their nourishment and the truckers who brought it to the farm, not to mention the architect who designed the hatchery, the workmen who built it, and the technicians who keep it running. The bird had to be slaughtered and defeathered and inspected and transported and unloaded and wrapped and priced and displayed. The people who accomplished those tasks were supported in turn by armies of other people accomplishing other tasks — from refining the gasoline that fueled the trucks to manufacturing the plastic in which the meat was wrapped.

The activities of countless far-flung men and women over the course of many months had to be intricately choreographed and precisely timed, so that when you showed up to buy a fresh Thanksgiving turkey, there would be one — or more likely, a couple dozen — waiting. The level of coordination required to pull it off is mind-boggling. But what is even more mind-boggling is this: No one coordinated it.

No turkey czar sat in a command post somewhere, consulting a master plan. No one rode herd on all those people, forcing them to cooperate for your benefit. And yet they did cooperate. When you arrived at the supermarket, your turkey was there. You didn't have to do anything but show up to buy it. If that isn't a miracle, what should we call it?

Adam Smith called it "the invisible hand" — the mysterious power that leads innumerable people, each working for his own gain, to promote ends that benefit many. Out of the seeming chaos of millions of uncoordinated private transactions emerges the spontaneous order of the market. Free human beings freely interact, and the result is an array of goods and services more immense than the human mind can comprehend. No dictator, no bureaucracy, no supercomputer plans it in advance. Indeed, the more an economy is planned, the more it is plagued by shortages, dislocation, and failure.

It is commonplace to speak of seeing God's signature in the intricacy of a spider's web or the animation of a beehive. But they pale in comparison to the kaleidoscopic energy and productivity of the free market. If it is a blessing from Heaven when seeds are transformed into grain, how much more of a blessing is it when our private, voluntary exchanges are transformed — without our ever intending it — into prosperity, innovation, and growth?

The social order of freedom, like the wealth and the progress it makes possible, is an extraordinary gift from above. On this Thanksgiving Day and every day, may we be grateful.

The reality is that neither liberals nor conservatives believe in pure capitalism. A pure laissez-faire capitalist society does not exist today, has never existed, and probably never will.

It's impossible. Capitalism doesn't work in a vacuum, which is why such a thing isn't possible. An amoral system without controls would eat itself in no time, like pure Democracy.

That's just a lot of horse manure signifying nothing.

No, it's how life works, in the real world that is.

Horseshit.

 

[bripat9643]

You making your own decisions is no way to steer your car, government using force to make your decisions for you is. Keep posting, Junior, that's the only way to get through to people who don't get it what idiocy liberalism is.

What is the role of government, if not to make laws and enforce those laws?

Can you maybe bring your question down from 50K feet to where there's an actual point I can address?

He could put it at the 5ft level, and you'd still be clueless.

Yes, I still am not clicking with that you two geniuses would make better choices over my life than I do. My bad. That government will solve our problems for us by removing choice is upon examination the idiocy that it appears to be at first blush.

The government limits your choices, even makes some for you, and after that it's up to you. What part of this don't you get, or are you just one of those Ayn Rand kids who wants to do whatever they want all the damn time, the kind who thinks society doesn't exist and being selfish is moral?

The part we don't get is why anyone, save a brainwashed toady, would think letting government make choices for you is a good idea.